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Hidden History, Fake Reality & Jesus (Part 2) — @jtfollowsjc on satan’s Little Season & Buried Truth

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Cross Examine with the
00:00:01.240 Gerbers. I’m Ken Gerber and my wife
00:00:03.000 Megan Gerber.
00:00:07.080 And today we are continuing our
00:00:09.840 interview with JT follows JC. This is
00:00:13.240 part two. Welcome back, Joe. Yeah,
00:00:15.080 thanks for having me back.
00:00:16.040 >> Yeah, yeah, absolutely. We were just
00:00:17.840 getting into something that Megan and I
00:00:20.360 sort of stumbled onto a little while ago
00:00:22.720 that’s super fascinating to us. You
00:00:25.000 started talking about the little season,
00:00:27.680 Satan’s little season. If you could just
00:00:30.320 give us a brief recap of what that
00:00:33.600 actually means, what that is. Okay,
00:00:35.520 sure. So, if you read Revelation chapter
00:00:37.560 20, it mentions during right when you
00:00:40.800 know when when Christ comes back,
00:00:42.800 there’s the first resurrection, the
00:00:44.120 saints are raised from the dead, and
00:00:46.360 then they’re going to rule with Christ.
00:00:47.600 During the same time period, the devil
00:00:49.680 is bound and he’s stuck in the
00:00:51.560 bottomless pit in the abyss.
00:00:53.600 And it mentions in Revelation 20, after
00:00:56.040 that thousand years expires, the devil
00:00:58.160 must be let out for a little season.
00:01:00.800 For a short amount of time and then he
00:01:02.200 goes out, deceives all the nations,
00:01:04.720 gathers them for an army against the
00:01:06.680 camp of the saints in the holy city. I
00:01:08.760 believe it’s talking about like heavenly
00:01:10.240 Jerusalem.
00:01:11.760 But there’s debate about what that
00:01:13.240 actually means, but it’s a prophecy
00:01:15.400 that’s in the Bible that nobody really
00:01:16.560 talks about. Probably because they think
00:01:18.320 it’s not relevant to them because
00:01:20.480 everybody knows that Jesus has not come
00:01:23.920 back yet. So, it’s So, why are we
00:01:25.760 worried about what happens after a
00:01:28.040 thousand years? Cuz he’s coming back
00:01:30.360 soon, so we’re not really have that
00:01:31.920 concerned about it. So, but the Bible
00:01:34.080 does mention that this happens.
00:01:36.880 And the question I think that a lot of
00:01:38.360 people would have to ask is, if Jesus
00:01:40.640 has not come back yet, and he is coming
00:01:43.080 back, and he’s going to set up a
00:01:44.720 physical kingdom like everyone expects
00:01:47.000 him to do,
00:01:48.320 well, how would the devil deceive
00:01:49.560 everybody after that? Yeah, good point.
00:01:51.760 >> Make them think that he didn’t come.
00:01:54.480 That could be one reason. I think that
00:01:57.000 the way that maybe people have believed
00:01:59.080 it to be might not necessarily be
00:02:01.360 exactly biblical.
00:02:04.000 It’s kind of like that you have dogma in
00:02:06.480 the church. There’s just church
00:02:07.880 traditions that we just kind of believe
00:02:09.360 and we accept. Just like the the idea
00:02:12.160 that the devil was once named Lucifer
00:02:13.960 and he was a choir master in heaven and
00:02:15.560 all that kind of stuff. And if you
00:02:16.640 actually try to look into the Bible to
00:02:18.080 read that, you’re like,
00:02:19.880 I guess I kind of see where they’re
00:02:21.480 getting that, but it’s you know, there’s
00:02:23.120 no explicit verses that say that, but
00:02:24.920 everybody believes that and that’s what
00:02:26.640 it often gets repeated.
00:02:28.080 >> Okay. Now, when you get to like what the
00:02:30.360 millennial kingdom’s supposed to look
00:02:31.560 like, this thousand-year period, like
00:02:33.760 what is it supposed to look like? Well,
00:02:35.160 if you read Revelation chapter 20, it’s
00:02:36.560 very vague. It doesn’t really say much.
00:02:38.280 It’s a very short chapter. So, for
00:02:40.760 people to say, well, it’s going to be
00:02:42.280 like this, so therefore we would not
00:02:44.440 have been fooled to say that it already
00:02:46.000 happened yet. Well, that’s the real
00:02:47.360 question is like, but what if you’re
00:02:49.440 wrong?
00:02:50.520 I mean, the devil has to deceive people
00:02:51.880 somehow,
00:02:53.080 and maybe the possibility is that he is
00:02:54.920 deceiving people by
00:02:56.800 trying to cover up a past that’s more
00:02:59.000 glorious than the time we’re living in
00:03:00.400 now.
00:03:00.800 >> So, do you believe that Jesus would have
00:03:02.280 allowed the like Buddhist temples and
00:03:04.400 stuff? Cuz they say that in all these
00:03:05.680 other countries there’s these huge
00:03:07.200 beautiful temples that are praising
00:03:09.360 other gods. So, if Jesus was alive
00:03:11.800 during that time and came back, would
00:03:14.360 you have only seen Christian
00:03:16.960 buildings?
00:03:18.480 I mean, the truth is, there’s still a
00:03:20.640 lot of mysteries. So, this is like this
00:03:22.800 might be an a reason why we don’t know
00:03:26.240 more. It is not the answer to
00:03:28.040 everything.
00:03:28.600 >> But I was just curious. Questions
00:03:30.240 remain. No, it’s actually a great
00:03:32.000 question because again, like if you
00:03:33.800 start to look into the ancient
00:03:35.600 mythologies in these certain places in
00:03:37.280 these megaliths and temples and things
00:03:38.880 like that in the Far East, they’re just
00:03:40.680 they’re incredibly ornate and it’s
00:03:43.040 It’s really hard to wrap your mind
00:03:44.840 around people
00:03:46.680 doing that much detail. Especially in
00:03:48.240 this one of those Hindu temples, Oh,
00:03:49.880 yeah.
00:03:50.080 >> they have moving parts. Like the
00:03:52.200 >> closed. So, there’s statues that are not
00:03:55.600 fused together. It’s like it’s all one
00:03:58.920 piece, never been apart, and there’s
00:04:01.680 like a ball that’s inside that you can
00:04:04.240 move it around. How did they get the
00:04:06.120 ball in there? Well, there’s also I
00:04:07.920 think that there’s a pillar in one of
00:04:09.360 them where
00:04:10.400 Yeah, they turn. It’s like not on the
00:04:12.840 It’s not touching the ground.
00:04:14.200 >> Right. It’s not touching the ground and
00:04:15.840 it’s not connected to the top. I don’t
00:04:17.798 know how To me, that would just be uh
00:04:20.279 more evidence that we don’t know
00:04:22.240 everything. Right.
00:04:23.320 >> So, when you start to speculate on like,
00:04:25.960 could things have been hidden from us?
00:04:27.640 Most certainly, because we don’t even
00:04:28.960 know what the answers to all these
00:04:30.120 questions. Like that we don’t know when
00:04:32.920 these these temples were built. We don’t
00:04:34.480 really know who built them.
00:04:36.240 In the same way that today we see
00:04:38.480 Greco-Roman things all over the world.
00:04:40.960 Like literally all over the world.
00:04:43.200 Now, we’re told it’s just because people
00:04:44.760 like the tradition of what the Greeks
00:04:46.360 and the Romans built.
00:04:48.000 But I mean, does that really make a lot
00:04:50.280 of sense that that these cultures, these
00:04:53.680 empires died out long time ago.
00:04:56.560 And then as soon as we start our
00:04:58.520 American empire, we build our
00:05:01.600 capital to look like Rome. Right. Which
00:05:04.640 is interesting that actually the land
00:05:06.760 where Capitol Hill is today
00:05:09.000 was actually owned by a man called
00:05:10.560 Francis Pope.
00:05:12.320 And he named his own land Rome back in
00:05:15.920 the 1700s or 1600s, yeah.
00:05:18.960 That’s interesting that that’s why it
00:05:20.800 has anything to do with why it looks
00:05:22.320 like that.
00:05:23.520 And they say it was founded, right? They
00:05:25.240 say they found the land.
00:05:26.680 >> Well, the story behind DC is just nuts
00:05:28.560 all together. It’s It’s really hard to
00:05:29.960 wrap your mind around that that the
00:05:31.520 capital of the United States back then
00:05:33.120 was in Philadelphia.
00:05:34.680 And then so,
00:05:36.040 the story goes is that they didn’t want
00:05:38.120 to give any state too much power by
00:05:39.760 putting the capital in that state. So,
00:05:42.480 they decided to carve out this little
00:05:44.240 area between Virginia and Maryland, and
00:05:47.480 it’s the District of Columbia. Kind of
00:05:49.040 an interesting name, named after another
00:05:50.480 false god. But yeah, they they put this
00:05:52.840 place right here that again was the land
00:05:54.880 was once called Rome. And
00:05:57.640 if you think in the early 1800s, where
00:06:00.520 are the people living that are going to
00:06:01.800 go build
00:06:03.160 this Greco-Roman city
00:06:05.080 that’s got tons of buildings? It’s like
00:06:07.960 it’s like farmland.
00:06:09.280 >> Right. There’s like nothing there.
00:06:10.440 >> This would have been horse and cart
00:06:11.480 times. Did the people live in like just
00:06:13.800 shacks while they were building this
00:06:15.240 city? Right. I mean, that’s what we’re
00:06:17.400 led to believe. But to put that all in
00:06:19.760 in perspective though, you have
00:06:21.520 Greco-Roman buildings in Australia, too.
00:06:24.520 And in India, and in China. Right. And
00:06:26.720 Japan. That is not really the history
00:06:29.400 we’re taught. Or at least it’s the the
00:06:31.080 history we’re taught is that these
00:06:32.520 traditions still continued even though
00:06:35.640 these places are so distinct. Like why
00:06:38.200 would they build those things there?
00:06:39.440 What if this is evidence that that the
00:06:42.080 Roman empire expanded like literally to
00:06:45.320 >> Beyond as far as we know that it did.
00:06:46.680 >> a worldwide empire.
00:06:48.720 And then the evidence is that that at
00:06:50.920 one point it was kind of zapped out. And
00:06:54.640 the evidence is the only thing we have
00:06:56.040 remaining of this ancient culture is is
00:06:58.320 their buildings that are everywhere.
00:07:00.240 >> And so, part and parcel to the the
00:07:02.440 little season and and all of this this
00:07:05.760 worldwide construction
00:07:08.040 uh that that you’ve looked into is
00:07:10.160 missing time periods in history. Is that
00:07:12.920 right?
00:07:13.360 >> Yeah. Well, so, this was the thing that
00:07:16.000 kind of was like the linchpin of like
00:07:18.040 kind of making sense of all this because
00:07:20.560 what a lot of people would say is that,
00:07:21.840 okay, so you have
00:07:23.920 well, to go back to like from a biblical
00:07:25.720 standpoint, if you actually read the
00:07:28.040 gospels again and you read the context
00:07:30.560 when Jesus shows up in the gospels is
00:07:33.400 it’s the 70-week prophecy of Daniel.
00:07:35.680 And so, the 70-week prophecy leads to
00:07:37.560 the end times. Like Daniel’s told by an
00:07:40.440 angel to seal up this prophecy for the
00:07:42.520 times of the end. Well, of course, we
00:07:44.320 know now we’ve had this book for a long
00:07:46.200 time, so it’s kind of weird that he was
00:07:48.240 told to seal it up. And then the
00:07:50.520 prophecy is not so much about the
00:07:52.360 Antichrist, it’s about the Messiah
00:07:54.480 showing up.
00:07:55.080 >> Right. So, what dispensationalists do is
00:07:57.520 you have this 70-week prophecy, and so
00:07:59.680 it’s seven seven years per week. So,
00:08:03.120 it’s 490 years. So, it starts with the
00:08:06.080 rebuilding of the the decree to rebuild
00:08:08.520 the temple.
00:08:09.840 So, [snorts] in the times of Daniel,
00:08:11.240 there was no temple in Jerusalem because
00:08:13.280 it had been destroyed by Babylon.
00:08:15.280 So, this is what it’s about. So, as soon
00:08:17.200 as the emperor of Babylon says, Cyrus,
00:08:20.640 let’s rebuild this temple. And I think
00:08:21.840 eventually I think it’s like Artaxerxes
00:08:23.760 is the one who kind of puts the the
00:08:25.320 timeline in process.
00:08:27.600 So, then you get to the times of Jesus,
00:08:29.480 which is like the 60 the end of the 69th
00:08:31.800 week.
00:08:32.919 And he starts his ministry. His ministry
00:08:34.840 really starts with him getting baptized.
00:08:37.599 >> Right.
00:08:38.080 >> And then so, you have then he says in
00:08:39.719 the the prophecy that it gets cut off
00:08:41.520 midway through the week, gets crucified,
00:08:43.840 makes a peace deal with many. People
00:08:45.440 think that’s the Antichrist. All that
00:08:46.800 being said,
00:08:47.920 he shows up specifically because it was
00:08:49.680 called out in prophecy that he was going
00:08:51.720 to show up at this time. But when you
00:08:53.480 start to read the the context of the
00:08:55.080 gospels, Jesus is telling them that
00:08:57.360 they’re not going to taste death until
00:08:58.480 they see him return. He’s telling them
00:09:00.400 that all these things are going to take
00:09:01.760 place before this generation passes
00:09:03.320 away. The context is that they believe
00:09:06.080 he’s going to come back. And if you guys
00:09:07.400 don’t trust me,
00:09:08.680 reread the epistles and the letters.
00:09:10.880 Peter says it’s the end of all things
00:09:12.680 that hand. Paul tells people it’s better
00:09:14.680 not to get married cuz the world as we
00:09:15.920 know it’s going to end. John’s saying
00:09:17.720 it’s the last hour. And then the book of
00:09:19.640 Revelation in contrast to Daniel is, do
00:09:22.560 not seal up this prophecy because the
00:09:25.080 time is at hand.
00:09:26.640 Like Jesus is saying, I’m coming
00:09:27.960 quickly. Like all the warnings to the
00:09:29.560 seven churches in the book of Revelation
00:09:31.880 are an imminent return. And you can go
00:09:35.280 look it up. The seven churches are the
00:09:37.000 seven places where the churches once
00:09:38.640 existed
00:09:40.000 became archaeological digs.
00:09:42.560 So, the churches that are mentioned that
00:09:44.240 are going to see the tribulation are
00:09:46.040 kept from the hour of testing on the
00:09:47.560 earth. Those places don’t exist outside
00:09:51.280 of being dug up. So,
00:09:54.160 Right.
00:09:54.640 >> what would your conclusion be
00:09:56.560 if you believe Jesus? I think that the
00:09:59.240 answer is he absolutely told the truth.
00:10:01.840 He wasn’t talking about us, he was
00:10:03.800 talking to them.
00:10:05.560 And so that’s why you’d kind of get into
00:10:07.080 the idea that the Bible was written for
00:10:09.600 us, but not to us. If Paul sends a
00:10:11.920 letter to the Corinthians,
00:10:13.760 we as Christians today can obviously
00:10:15.480 learn something that we should through
00:10:16.920 the Holy Spirit.
00:10:18.520 But you’d be a crazy person if you said
00:10:20.080 this was written to me.
00:10:21.120 >> Right. Just like the seven churches, but
00:10:23.120 that’s what dispensationalists will do.
00:10:24.640 They’ll say
00:10:25.760 those churches represent church ages.
00:10:28.360 The 69th week ends, and then there’s a
00:10:31.040 2,000-year gap. There’s like a church
00:10:33.800 age gap, and then we’re going to have
00:10:35.760 like this last week.
00:10:37.280 >> Mhm. But that’s not again, that’s a
00:10:39.400 interpretation, and I would say that
00:10:40.760 it’s not biblical at all. So, the whole
00:10:42.800 idea is that if Jesus did come back
00:10:46.200 sometime around the 1st century,
00:10:48.640 well, if it’s the year 2025,
00:10:51.840 well, then people would say, "Okay, so
00:10:53.200 if there was a thousand years after
00:10:54.400 that, is the little season as long as
00:10:57.000 the thousand years?" To answer your
00:10:58.560 question,
00:10:59.760 there was something really interesting
00:11:00.920 we learned. There was this German
00:11:02.520 researcher named Gunnar Heinsohn, and he
00:11:04.720 gave this presentation at Toronto in
00:11:06.040 2016,
00:11:07.839 and he discussed all the the years of
00:11:10.160 fluff in the first thousand years of AD
00:11:12.800 chronology.
00:11:13.440 >> Right. Yeah, that that he believed that
00:11:15.760 there was 700 added years.
00:11:17.920 So, basically, the times of Jesus would
00:11:19.680 have been more like the 700s,
00:11:22.040 like 700 AD, 800 AD, around that range.
00:11:25.920 So, it’s really interesting to think
00:11:27.480 that if let’s just say the temple was
00:11:29.480 destroyed in 70 AD. And I believe that’s
00:11:31.560 what Jesus was talking about in Matthew
00:11:33.200 24. He was talking about the destruction
00:11:35.120 of Jerusalem by the Romans. If we move
00:11:38.000 that timeline up, and let’s just say the
00:11:40.240 temple was destroyed in 770. If you add
00:11:42.360 a thousand years to that,
00:11:44.560 you get it right around 1776.
00:11:47.640 Which that’s kind of interesting, that
00:11:49.080 timing. But yeah, his his conclusion was
00:11:51.320 that
00:11:52.680 if anybody’s ever really heard about the
00:11:54.360 Dark Ages, everybody’s heard that name,
00:11:56.080 the Dark Ages. But what does it mean?
00:11:58.760 It doesn’t mean that everybody was just
00:12:00.640 dirty and unclean or whatever,
00:12:02.480 uncultured.
00:12:03.320 >> Right.
00:12:03.960 Why they call it a Dark Ages because
00:12:05.520 there’s really no history of this time.
00:12:07.600 The history is so vague, and what we’re
00:12:09.839 told is that architecture, language, and
00:12:12.480 culture did not advance during this time
00:12:14.440 at all. I mean, can you really think
00:12:15.920 about like for a thousand years
00:12:18.200 No.
00:12:18.440 >> that that nothing changes. So, they
00:12:21.160 would say that Christianity, based on
00:12:23.760 the history we’re taught, is the only
00:12:25.920 religion in the whole world that did not
00:12:28.280 have buildings or temples or churches,
00:12:31.200 like physical church buildings,
00:12:33.120 for the first 300 years of its
00:12:34.320 existence.
00:12:36.480 And when they did build buildings,
00:12:38.640 they built them in a
00:12:40.920 what a Renaissance style of the 1st
00:12:43.200 century pagan basilicas.
00:12:46.160 So,
00:12:47.120 based on the strip tography, so that
00:12:49.160 would be like obviously the process of
00:12:50.480 like digging into the sediment in the
00:12:52.280 ground to find older layers of
00:12:54.640 civilization.
00:12:56.080 This guy, Gunnar Heinsohn, like he’s
00:12:57.920 yeah, he’s like a German, so he’s got
00:12:59.080 that kind of mind. He was noticing that
00:13:01.960 these cultures that are supposedly
00:13:03.520 stacked up like on top of each other are
00:13:06.480 all built at the same strata level. So,
00:13:09.160 he was saying that that history is being
00:13:11.160 stretched out by taking contemporary
00:13:13.520 peoples and then putting them higher up
00:13:16.480 into like the layers of our history.
00:13:18.920 So, he’s saying like that no, that the
00:13:20.800 first thousand years was more like 300
00:13:22.920 years.
00:13:24.240 When you condense it down,
00:13:26.080 because the history is mostly just
00:13:28.839 fabricated. And the reason he came to
00:13:30.560 this conclusion is
00:13:32.040 that there was a collapse of society in
00:13:33.760 early antiquity, the early first part of
00:13:35.640 the first thousand years. You have one
00:13:37.839 in the mid antiquity, and you have one
00:13:39.600 late antiquity.
00:13:41.200 Now, the interesting parts is
00:13:42.920 that you have this collapse in the
00:13:44.400 Western Roman Empire in like early
00:13:46.280 antiquity by the quote-unquote
00:13:47.640 barbarians. Right. And then in the
00:13:50.080 middle, like probably around 536 AD is
00:13:53.040 what we’re told, there was a like a
00:13:55.240 worldwide cataclysm. That there was a
00:13:57.360 collapse in in Europe that reached all
00:13:59.880 the way to China, reached all the way to
00:14:01.560 the Mayan civilizations.
00:14:03.680 And then supposedly there was one in
00:14:06.839 late antiquity, like around 900 AD,
00:14:09.720 in northern Europe.
00:14:11.320 Well, so what Gunnar Heinsohn was saying
00:14:12.720 was like, "No, those were all one.
00:14:15.079 Put them all together."
00:14:16.320 >> Okay. Because if you think about it,
00:14:18.880 you can’t have a collapse
00:14:21.120 of
00:14:22.240 536, which includes 18 months of
00:14:24.880 darkness.
00:14:26.240 The year starts with 18 like eventually
00:14:27.959 like 18 months, you have a mini ice age
00:14:30.240 following it, you have wars, famine at
00:14:31.800 the time, and then it’s followed by the
00:14:33.600 bubonic plague. And so this cataclysm,
00:14:36.520 where the sun doesn’t shine for 18
00:14:38.040 months,
00:14:39.160 destroys places in China, and I think
00:14:42.720 Iraq, and the Mayan civilization. But it
00:14:45.680 does not touch northern Europe.
00:14:47.280 >> Yeah, that makes no sense. It makes
00:14:49.000 absolutely no sense.
00:14:50.680 And so what they try to attribute this
00:14:52.079 is to volcanoes, potentially like
00:14:54.959 multiple volcanoes going off, so the ash
00:14:57.000 goes up to the atmosphere, and then it
00:14:59.560 it leads to a sun that does not shine at
00:15:02.280 full strength for that long. It again
00:15:04.800 leads to a mini ice age. So, there’s no
00:15:06.720 possible way
00:15:08.480 that that doesn’t affect every place
00:15:10.880 Right.
00:15:11.200 >> on Earth.
00:15:11.760 >> Right. Not just a regional issue. And so
00:15:15.560 that is why
00:15:18.040 the history is broken in the middle.
00:15:21.200 And that’s why he he came to the
00:15:23.040 ultimate conclusion, this is crazy cuz
00:15:24.680 he’s not a he’s not a Christian.
00:15:26.360 He believed that when we started to
00:15:28.400 adapt AD chronology. And you can look
00:15:30.360 this up, and this is a pretty
00:15:31.680 verifiable.
00:15:33.120 Supposedly, they invented it in the
00:15:34.720 500s.
00:15:36.240 That’s when the first person was to come
00:15:38.440 to that conclusion, but it was not
00:15:40.240 widely adapted until 1000 AD. So, I was
00:15:44.280 thinking like in the reason they
00:15:45.600 believed that was because
00:15:47.640 they believed they lived after the times
00:15:49.240 of Jesus. Interesting. So,
00:15:52.280 and and I I love the the idea of the
00:15:56.800 little season, Mhm. the post-millennial
00:15:59.560 little season, for for various reasons.
00:16:02.120 It’s really intriguing. Um
00:16:05.160 there there are some criticisms to it,
00:16:07.880 though. Sure. Namely, what’s been
00:16:09.959 pointed out to me are are passages in
00:16:13.839 the the book of Ezekiel and Zechariah,
00:16:17.520 uh giving an account of how the third
00:16:20.440 temple is supposed to be built, and the
00:16:24.520 fact that there’s no evidence of a third
00:16:26.959 temple, and what’s going to actually
00:16:29.320 happen in terms of the
00:16:32.440 physical
00:16:34.000 land around Jerusalem, with the Mount of
00:16:37.079 Olives being split in two, and that type
00:16:38.920 of thing. How do you address that in
00:16:40.959 thinking about the the little season?
00:16:42.920 Well, I would say for one, there is no
00:16:45.040 third temple in the Bible. It doesn’t
00:16:46.520 >> that’s that’s the big question is there
00:16:48.640 is no third temple.
00:16:49.440 >> do point to the Ezekiel prophecy about
00:16:51.800 this this temple. But if you actually
00:16:53.760 read the whole context of that, the Lord
00:16:56.000 is telling Ezekiel to tell them about
00:16:58.040 this temple to make them ashamed. It’s
00:17:00.360 kind of almost like this is the temple
00:17:01.640 you guys would have gotten, or this is
00:17:03.200 the temple you guys are not going to
00:17:04.359 get. And so it’s described eventually
00:17:07.319 it’s it’s described as having
00:17:09.720 living waters and a river that flows out
00:17:12.359 of it, and there’s going to be bountiful
00:17:13.640 fish, and there’s going to be trees that
00:17:15.520 that have fruit that never goes bad. I
00:17:17.640 think it’s very clearly talking about
00:17:18.920 like a spiritual concept. Jesus is this
00:17:20.800 temple, he’s the cornerstone of this new
00:17:22.400 temple. The church is the living stones
00:17:24.800 of this temple that’s going to flow out
00:17:26.839 living healing waters to the place. But
00:17:29.400 it goes into really, really specific
00:17:31.480 detail about the measurements. Right. I
00:17:33.880 still think it’s all spiritual because I
00:17:35.360 don’t think that if you if you think
00:17:37.320 about what it also mentions in there, is
00:17:40.120 that this is why
00:17:42.360 the Jews of the 1st century rejected
00:17:44.120 Jesus because they were looking for
00:17:45.640 everything physically like everybody’s
00:17:47.720 looking for today.
00:17:48.640 >> Okay. Because he’s saying my my kingdom
00:17:51.000 is not coming with an observable way.
00:17:52.880 He’s saying like I’m I’m not my
00:17:54.440 kingdom’s not of this world.
00:17:56.560 Sure.
00:17:56.880 >> they’re trying to overthrow the Romans
00:17:59.440 because they want
00:18:00.440 >> Right. a kingdom like they thought it
00:18:02.280 was supposed to be like. They wanted it
00:18:03.880 to rule with him. They wanted to rule in
00:18:05.360 a fleshly way, and he’s saying, "No, the
00:18:07.480 person who’s going to be the the best in
00:18:09.360 my kingdom is going to be the servant to
00:18:11.320 all, the person who denies themself."
00:18:13.400 And they’re like, "No, but we want to
00:18:14.240 throw off the shackles of the Romans."
00:18:16.200 And then you have the apostles saying
00:18:17.720 that if you have a slave master, you
00:18:19.840 need to obey your slave master. When
00:18:21.400 like the mindset of them is like, "I
00:18:23.679 don’t want to be a slave anymore."
00:18:25.520 Right.
00:18:26.040 >> the least that’s going to be the
00:18:27.240 greatest in the kingdom of Christ.
00:18:29.720 So, I think that that is why people
00:18:31.400 continue to miss what the Old Testament
00:18:33.480 was actually pointing to.
00:18:35.159 The kingdom that doesn’t go pass away is
00:18:37.159 the one that Jesus offers even today.
00:18:39.800 So, that’s the thing is like even in the
00:18:40.880 little season, people say, "Oh, well, so
00:18:43.040 so the Satan rules right now?"
00:18:45.240 I mean, Satan rules in certain people’s
00:18:46.640 hearts, but he doesn’t rule at all. I
00:18:48.800 mean, Jesus has all authority on heaven
00:18:50.600 and Earth.
00:18:51.679 So, he’s the king,
00:18:53.360 but the kingdom he’s offering is a
00:18:54.760 spiritual connection with the kingdom of
00:18:56.919 heaven and him through the Holy Spirit.
00:19:00.200 Now, if you go into like what you’re
00:19:01.280 saying, like some of the prophecies in
00:19:02.520 Zechariah, I think again, they goes back
00:19:04.800 into like spiritual concepts because
00:19:07.080 the way that people really try to I
00:19:09.640 don’t know, split the baby in some kind
00:19:11.400 of a way about oh, well,
00:19:13.880 what’s showing now is 1948 is biblical
00:19:16.840 prophecy about the restoration of
00:19:18.679 Israel.
00:19:20.040 And they say, "Oh, well,
00:19:21.600 Jesus is going to come back and fight
00:19:23.040 for Israel, and everyone’s going to be
00:19:24.120 saved." Well, you read Zechariah 14,
00:19:26.679 two thirds of the city is killed.
00:19:29.159 I believe that that’s the kind of stuff
00:19:30.640 that actually happened. I believe that
00:19:32.800 that the Jerusalem that’s mentioned for
00:19:35.280 all the heavenly promises is is the
00:19:37.040 church, and then the Jerusalem today is
00:19:39.880 not
00:19:41.000 the church. It’s not it’s not um
00:19:43.320 it’s
00:19:44.400 Through faith and belief is the option
00:19:46.600 to get the kingdom. It’s not
00:19:48.679 through physical means.
00:19:49.840 >> The idea of Jerusalem being uh
00:19:54.520 unassailable and and not ever being
00:19:58.120 destroyed again and and the idea that
00:20:01.360 the Jerusalem that we know today is not
00:20:03.440 a safe place. Right. You’re saying that
00:20:06.680 that’s the physical what we have here,
00:20:08.960 but that’s not what that was referring
00:20:10.600 to.
00:20:10.920 >> Right. Well, if you go to the end of I
00:20:12.360 think Isaiah, a lot of people will use
00:20:14.160 some of those prophecies in the end of
00:20:15.400 Isaiah about them fulfilling prophecy in
00:20:17.960 1948 of them returning. But yeah, then
00:20:20.600 it says there’s a time of peace, but
00:20:22.000 obviously we’ve seen over there that’s
00:20:23.840 it’s not peace. Right. And when has God
00:20:26.440 allowed a people his people to go back
00:20:28.080 into the land without repenting? Right.
00:20:29.880 So, there’s a lot of questions about
00:20:31.400 that. Yeah, and to go back about the the
00:20:33.920 second temple versus the third temple.
00:20:36.440 So, the Daniel prophecy is about like
00:20:39.160 it’s literally hinges on this idea that
00:20:41.720 the temple is going to be rebuilt.
00:20:44.000 Not a third temple, just
00:20:45.760 the current one is gone. They’re going
00:20:47.680 to build a new one.
00:20:49.000 And then so when you get into the
00:20:50.040 prophecies of the all of the discourse,
00:20:52.160 Jesus is
00:20:53.480 pointing to the temple that not one
00:20:55.600 stone is going to be left upon another.
00:20:57.920 Now, so that was destroyed.
00:20:59.920 So, when you hear about like modern
00:21:01.440 dispensationalism and like kind of
00:21:02.880 pre-millennial people speaking about a
00:21:05.000 third temple, this is like the most
00:21:07.920 important prophecy that hinges
00:21:10.240 everything about the end this new end
00:21:12.080 times. When’s the third temple going to
00:21:13.360 be built? When’s the third temple going
00:21:14.680 to be rebuilt? When Jesus is telling his
00:21:17.120 disciples about all the signs of the
00:21:19.320 end,
00:21:20.320 he never says a temple’s going to be
00:21:21.600 rebuilt. It would be very confusing to
00:21:23.960 them because they were asking about when
00:21:26.000 is the temple you just said was going to
00:21:27.480 be destroyed, the one we’re looking at,
00:21:29.240 when is it going to be destroyed?
00:21:31.240 So, if that was what really was the the
00:21:33.920 pivotal point for
00:21:36.320 you know, the the tribulation to arrive
00:21:38.040 upon us,
00:21:39.240 why isn’t it in scripture? And I have a
00:21:41.080 question. So, would you say the little
00:21:42.640 season is the reason that all these
00:21:44.160 buildings were burned to the ground then
00:21:46.840 in the last episode? That’s a really
00:21:50.320 great maybe evidence that we are living
00:21:52.280 after a a more glorious time than this.
00:21:55.480 So yeah, then what if Jesus was around
00:21:58.640 700 AD, the temple’s destroyed in 770
00:22:02.160 AD, then 1,000 years later is right when
00:22:05.320 you have the American Revolution and
00:22:06.920 then it’s followed by the French
00:22:08.000 Revolution. They’re just war and chaos
00:22:09.960 and
00:22:10.800 yeah, if you look up any
00:22:12.880 any major United States city and you
00:22:14.880 just type in
00:22:16.840 great fire,
00:22:18.600 there will there’ll be one. Obviously,
00:22:20.320 everyone remembers like the the famous
00:22:21.760 stories about like Chicago being
00:22:23.200 >> Sure. being destroyed because Molly the
00:22:25.960 the cow
00:22:27.000 >> kicked over the lamp and burned the
00:22:29.200 whole city down.
00:22:30.440 Chicago girl, she knows all that. Yeah,
00:22:32.440 and then so you have but then you have
00:22:34.000 like places like San Francisco that was
00:22:35.960 supposedly burned down like six times
00:22:37.880 and destroyed by earthquake several
00:22:39.320 times.
00:22:40.880 But every time you see it like when you
00:22:42.280 see the pictures of it, it doesn’t look
00:22:43.960 like I mean, you do see some of the
00:22:45.200 pictures of rubble and destruction, but
00:22:47.840 you think about buildings that are made
00:22:49.600 of stone and brick,
00:22:51.920 would they really look like would it
00:22:53.160 really look like World War I
00:22:55.480 like in that city if it was just a fire
00:22:58.440 caused by a cow? No.
00:23:00.755 >> [laughter]
00:23:01.040 >> It’s more like that it does seem like
00:23:02.840 that
00:23:03.920 there was a reset, I believe, when the
00:23:06.679 Book of Revelation took place. That’s
00:23:08.600 where you get like the the sediment and
00:23:10.160 the mud flood over some of these
00:23:11.400 buildings, a lot of buried things all
00:23:13.600 around the whole earth all around the
00:23:15.360 whole earth.
00:23:16.400 From like Easter Island to to Phoenix.
00:23:19.960 They’ll dig down and find stuff that
00:23:21.960 like they didn’t know was there. Right.
00:23:23.760 What you might have had is a more recent
00:23:26.840 reset that probably was in the 19th
00:23:29.120 century
00:23:30.280 where whatever knowledge we had with the
00:23:32.520 past was broken because they were
00:23:35.240 destroying evidence of our past, the
00:23:37.880 buildings, the libraries,
00:23:40.400 you name it.
00:23:41.679 That’s where I think that we were really
00:23:43.760 disconnected with what’s true and then
00:23:45.520 you get into like some more crazy stuff
00:23:47.720 about like insane asylums and orphan
00:23:50.040 trains and all that kind of stuff in the
00:23:51.720 1800s where
00:23:53.480 the 1800s probably the craziest century
00:23:58.560 if you do any research. It just makes no
00:24:00.360 sense at all. And when you’re talking
00:24:02.520 about the the the orphanages and and
00:24:06.480 you’re talking about the
00:24:08.280 the architecture at the time. Well, I’m
00:24:10.520 I’m talking about that you actually
00:24:11.960 >> There were trains with orphans. You had
00:24:13.320 in the 1800s I want to say between 1860
00:24:17.679 and 1920, there was 250,000
00:24:22.000 orphans being shipped around the country
00:24:23.960 on trains in America. Like the Cabbage
00:24:26.760 Patch Kids?
00:24:28.160 >> yeah, that’s when you get into some
00:24:29.400 weirder stuff where you just see all
00:24:30.800 this this art of kids being grown in
00:24:33.040 cabbage patches, not just like the
00:24:34.400 dolls, but I mean, that’s where it comes
00:24:35.760 from is on these old postcards and just
00:24:38.240 this art. They’re showing kids being
00:24:40.440 plucked out of out of cabbage and
00:24:42.560 >> Right. and people like fishing kids out
00:24:45.480 of lakes and Yeah. pulling them out of
00:24:47.800 wells.
00:24:48.840 It’s like the weirdest thing. Then you
00:24:50.040 get into like the world fairs as you
00:24:51.320 were saying before, they have these
00:24:53.960 incubator babies where they had
00:24:56.080 exhibitions where they had all these
00:24:58.000 preemies in these little I don’t know,
00:25:00.520 incubator kind of things. It’s like it’s
00:25:02.480 the weirdest thing you’ve ever seen, but
00:25:04.200 for some reason like you have all these
00:25:05.720 aristocrats going to these things and
00:25:08.000 being in awe of
00:25:09.960 premature babies. It’s
00:25:11.880 it’s bizarre. It’s it’s a little bit
00:25:14.480 grotesque.
00:25:15.320 >> I wonder if one of if these resets are
00:25:17.160 like they got too it got too crazy, so
00:25:19.480 let’s just reset everybody. What we
00:25:21.400 believe Well, I guess I when I say we, I
00:25:23.520 say like the the crazy people [laughter]
00:25:25.040 that that we talk about all this stuff
00:25:26.800 is that it seems like that the story of
00:25:29.560 America is mostly a lie, at least the
00:25:31.560 expansion of it.
00:25:32.880 So, we were saying so what about these
00:25:34.840 cities that were quote unquote founded
00:25:37.480 in the 1850s or the 1870s?
00:25:40.120 What if they did just find cities? Like
00:25:42.240 who would live there? Who would do all
00:25:43.400 the work there?
00:25:44.920 Is it possible that that’s where why
00:25:46.760 they shipped kids across the country to
00:25:51.240 to potentially be the worker class and
00:25:54.520 these are the people who are going to
00:25:55.400 eventually populate it. Because
00:25:57.920 if you really think about the logistics
00:25:59.160 of it,
00:26:00.400 how does it make any sense at all that
00:26:02.200 you would take orphans from the East
00:26:03.679 Coast and just ship them out west to do
00:26:05.920 what? And who’s taking care of them?
00:26:07.920 That sounds like a lot of 250,000 kids.
00:26:09.960 >> Yeah, who’s feeding them? Who’s Yeah.
00:26:12.000 You think about that I want to say in
00:26:14.880 eight in the 1800s,
00:26:16.920 there was only 80 million people, I
00:26:19.520 think, in America
00:26:20.920 in that range. So, you think about like
00:26:22.679 the amount of people it would be like
00:26:24.440 250,000 when the population is is is
00:26:27.920 lower.
00:26:29.120 Yeah, and so you had at the same time
00:26:31.360 you had 150,000 people in insane asylums
00:26:34.760 in the United States.
00:26:36.480 Now, there’s like orphanages as they
00:26:38.360 once were do not exist anymore.
00:26:40.360 >> if the insane asylum and people were
00:26:41.960 people that were protesting them
00:26:44.120 changing everything and the great reset
00:26:46.679 and saying, "Uh-uh, I don’t agree with
00:26:48.360 this." And they said, "Well, you’re
00:26:49.480 going to go get locked up." Well, it’s
00:26:50.960 possible. Like that’s one
00:26:53.200 one thing we’ve have wondered is like
00:26:54.520 are these are the parents of the kids?
00:26:56.600 Mhm. You know, 150,000 parents
00:26:59.560 potentially in insane asylums, 250,000
00:27:02.800 >> Yeah. Orphans too coincidental. Could
00:27:04.440 be. I mean, it’s I mean, we don’t lock
00:27:05.960 people up in insane asylums anymore. But
00:27:07.960 it was a very common thing. And then so
00:27:09.760 when you get into the architecture of
00:27:12.080 the orphanages and the insane asylums,
00:27:14.120 if you go down that rabbit hole, just go
00:27:15.440 look at what the buildings used to look
00:27:16.840 like. They’re ornate castles.
00:27:19.720 You know, you think about orphanages,
00:27:21.200 prisons,
00:27:22.720 and insane asylums, you look them all
00:27:24.880 up, and they almost all look like
00:27:27.240 medieval castles.
00:27:28.160 >> Yeah, they do. It’s totally bizarre, and
00:27:29.920 if you start to look at the timeline of
00:27:31.920 how this makes any sense
00:27:34.080 is that when you move out west, these
00:27:37.040 people are just settling this place, and
00:27:39.480 immediately they start building
00:27:41.400 insane asylums,
00:27:43.160 prisons, and orphanages.
00:27:46.320 That don’t make Well, any sense. And
00:27:48.200 then they make them look like a castle?
00:27:50.000 It’s kind of interesting that Trump’s
00:27:51.760 been talking about bringing insane
00:27:53.400 asylums back. He’s also been talking
00:27:55.600 about bringing back world fairs. He’s
00:27:57.600 got one in the in the works right now.
00:27:59.679 >> up in 2026. What’s really interesting to
00:28:01.960 see what he he’s mentioned bringing back
00:28:04.800 insane asylums. He’s talking about
00:28:06.520 bringing back the world fairs. And he’s
00:28:08.480 also was showing a little model of this
00:28:11.920 new peace arch that that he wants to
00:28:14.440 build in DC to kind of look like the Arc
00:28:16.800 de Triomphe in in Paris.
00:28:20.160 Now, the interesting thing will be to
00:28:21.800 see if this comes to fruition.
00:28:24.440 I think it’s a great idea to have a
00:28:25.919 world fair so we can compare it to what
00:28:27.360 the old ones look like.
00:28:28.240 >> so fun.
00:28:29.040 >> Well, I mean, just to think about it
00:28:30.120 that
00:28:31.679 the world fairs, I believe they still
00:28:34.400 have something like that, but if you go
00:28:37.320 look at the more recent ones they’ve
00:28:39.480 done. I want to say 1970, they did one
00:28:42.600 in Seattle.
00:28:44.240 And it looks like what they would have
00:28:45.960 done in the 1970s. It looks like they
00:28:48.040 set up tents and they set up like
00:28:51.040 you know, Right.
00:28:52.320 >> portable stuff. They things that could
00:28:54.000 be thrown together really fast. And so
00:28:56.320 if they do it in 2026,
00:28:59.040 does anybody
00:29:00.600 does anybody want to want to bet that it
00:29:02.760 doesn’t compare to something they did in
00:29:05.000 the 1890s? Right.
00:29:06.840 >> The pictures that Megan pulled up of the
00:29:09.080 the one in Missouri,
00:29:11.400 it they’re just these
00:29:13.280 rows with all of these buildings, all
00:29:15.679 these huge colonnades and you know, made
00:29:18.400 out of marble.
00:29:19.440 >> Lights and glass. Fully electrified.
00:29:22.040 >> All electric right when supposedly
00:29:24.320 electric electricity was brand new. I
00:29:27.040 told Megan when it comes to that
00:29:29.280 electricity, I don’t know if you went to
00:29:31.720 Disney World back in the the day when we
00:29:34.080 were kids, but they used to have this
00:29:36.440 exhibit and it was called the the
00:29:38.480 Carousel of Progress. And it was all
00:29:40.720 these animatronic people and they would
00:29:42.640 sing this really goofy song that just
00:29:45.320 would get stuck in your head for like
00:29:46.880 weeks afterwards, but you would sit in
00:29:49.200 the in the
00:29:50.480 uh
00:29:51.200 in the the pews in the the chairs, and
00:29:54.200 the chairs that you’re sitting in like a
00:29:55.840 movie theater would rotate around this
00:29:58.400 circle stage, and this stage was divided
00:30:00.640 into these wedges, these pie-shaped, and
00:30:03.480 each it would go through time where they
00:30:05.160 were showing the advancement of
00:30:07.000 technology in the US, and it started off
00:30:09.960 in without electricity, and then it went
00:30:12.600 to the one section where they were just
00:30:14.560 getting electricity in homes, and they
00:30:16.440 were had all these extension cords and
00:30:19.400 wires going all over it look like a
00:30:20.960 spider web in there because that’s how
00:30:23.480 they were getting electricity to the
00:30:24.920 electric iron and the the light bulb,
00:30:26.840 the Edison bulb, and all these different
00:30:28.480 things. And then you look at the World’s
00:30:30.520 Fair that she pulled up, and it’s like
00:30:32.880 fully just lit up like it’s daytime with
00:30:36.080 all these lights everywhere right around
00:30:38.000 the same time, and it just doesn’t match
00:30:39.480 up. No, I mean that’s yeah, from a
00:30:41.120 construction background, you think how
00:30:42.800 much work you need to do to prep the
00:30:45.200 buildings in the ground. Like so, where
00:30:46.520 are the wires?
00:30:47.880 Now, did they have wireless energy? I
00:30:50.200 mean, maybe they did, but the real
00:30:52.320 question is like how do you even run
00:30:53.800 those wires through those buildings the
00:30:55.360 way that they’re set up?
00:30:56.560 >> had lakes and all these fountains. Oh,
00:30:58.600 yeah, that’s that’s the one thing that
00:31:00.040 that that is is laughable is that they
00:31:02.400 say
00:31:03.400 that the buildings were temporary, and
00:31:05.560 they weren’t really made of stone. They
00:31:07.800 look like they are in the pictures, but
00:31:09.320 they’re really made of wood and plaster
00:31:11.800 and wire and mesh and all that kind of
00:31:13.280 stuff.
00:31:14.800 But what’s undeniable is that the
00:31:16.800 infrastructure into those places are are
00:31:18.960 not temporary
00:31:20.400 because they have real bridges, real
00:31:22.920 fountains,
00:31:24.600 huge, maybe man-made lakes, maybe not.
00:31:27.200 They have all this this stuff, all these
00:31:29.120 sidewalks and
00:31:30.760 and railings and column You know,
00:31:32.840 there’s so much stuff that goes into
00:31:34.680 that. Like you can’t just go up start
00:31:36.640 just popping up buildings. Supposedly, I
00:31:38.840 think during the one in Chicago, they
00:31:40.080 said like millions of people went to
00:31:41.280 visit it.
00:31:42.640 So, the just the size and the scale of
00:31:44.720 the buildings, just knowing anything
00:31:46.720 about construction and like in
00:31:47.880 structural integrity of buildings,
00:31:50.600 you can’t build something that big
00:31:52.400 unless it’s really built to support all
00:31:55.320 the weight. Right.
00:31:56.400 >> So, at that point, it’s not temporary.
00:31:58.520 You could say it’s temporary if you
00:31:59.720 destroy it later, but it wasn’t meant to
00:32:02.120 be temporary. It was meant
00:32:03.240 >> in only 3 years. It was meant to last.
00:32:05.800 Well, yes, a lot of a lot of those fairs
00:32:08.640 were supposedly built in maybe around 2
00:32:11.480 years, and they built
00:32:13.640 over 200 buildings. So, you can focus on
00:32:16.280 a few of them, but I mean,
00:32:18.040 they’re also the biggest buildings in
00:32:19.560 the whole world at the time cuz you can
00:32:21.160 look that up. I want to say in
00:32:22.800 Philadelphia when they did the World’s
00:32:24.920 Fair in 1876, it was like the Centennial
00:32:27.760 celebration in Philadelphia.
00:32:29.600 They built the whole the biggest
00:32:30.720 building in the whole world there. It
00:32:32.120 was like 20-something acres, I think.
00:32:34.920 Now, in Chicago when they built that
00:32:37.880 supposedly in 1893, they built the
00:32:40.640 biggest building in the world. And I I
00:32:41.840 want to say it was like 44 acres. It’s
00:32:43.640 so crazy.
00:32:44.160 >> That’s how big the building was.
00:32:46.240 So, you just can’t put up something
00:32:48.480 that’s temporary like that. You know,
00:32:49.800 you would do what they used to like go
00:32:51.040 look at the pictures of Seattle in the
00:32:52.920 in the ’70s when they did it. They set
00:32:55.200 up like big top tents and stuff like
00:32:58.400 that. Like it’s Right.
00:32:59.760 >> It looked more like a fair like you
00:33:01.400 would have in your local town. It did
00:33:02.920 not look like ancient Greece or Rome in
00:33:05.640 its prime, which that’s what we’re shown
00:33:07.840 in the 18
00:33:09.360 1880s, 1890s.
00:33:11.440 But yeah, so if they do it today, what
00:33:13.920 will be their excuse for why it doesn’t
00:33:15.920 even compare
00:33:17.840 to things that they did
00:33:19.640 150 years ago. Yeah, that’ll be
00:33:21.840 interesting to see. They probably won’t
00:33:23.679 acknowledge it, but I would say that
00:33:25.000 from people in our
00:33:26.480 field, like we just say,
00:33:28.480 "Well, why was it more practical to do
00:33:30.360 it then?
00:33:31.440 If it doesn’t make sense now, how did it
00:33:33.080 ever make sense when lots of things are
00:33:35.679 limited? Logistics are just it would be
00:33:38.080 a nightmare when you’re trying to build
00:33:39.520 these things. Imagine trying to build in
00:33:41.000 Chicago during the wintertime. No. So,
00:33:42.960 even though you’re talking about like
00:33:44.720 doing all this work,
00:33:46.560 I don’t know I don’t know for
00:33:47.880 electricity? I don’t know that you could
00:33:49.679 do it all in You know, you couldn’t
00:33:51.720 count on 12 months a year to to build
00:33:53.920 stuff. You would have to be able to,
00:33:56.880 you know, weather is going to be
00:33:58.520 interesting to see.
00:33:59.360 >> about scarcity, and Ken was talking
00:34:00.880 about that. You know, so many times they
00:34:02.200 say, you know, we’re overpopulated, but
00:34:03.960 yet you If anyone takes a road trip,
00:34:06.760 you’re driving across America, there’s
00:34:09.280 so much land.
00:34:10.440 >> Absolutely. Where is the overpopulation?
00:34:14.120 And then it’s the scarcity. It’s
00:34:17.199 scarcity about everything, you know,
00:34:18.960 that’s what they teach. You were talking
00:34:20.800 about with the Jewish culture, scarcity.
00:34:22.760 There’s a limited amount. There’s a
00:34:24.359 limited amount of food.
00:34:25.159 >> Fossil fuels cuz it’s comes from
00:34:27.480 dinosaurs and stuff like that, and there
00:34:30.040 can only be so much of this stuff in the
00:34:31.679 ground. Yeah, so therefore, we can
00:34:34.040 charge more for it. Like diamonds,
00:34:35.520 right? Yeah. Diamonds, they act like
00:34:37.679 that they’re rare, but they’re actually
00:34:39.000 really not. If you ever looked into that
00:34:40.719 conspiracy
00:34:41.399 >> it’s just De Beers controlling the
00:34:42.918 supply.
00:34:43.399 >> Right. If they ever put out the all the
00:34:45.639 diamonds that they have
00:34:47.399 that they’ve already mined, like it
00:34:49.199 would totally make these things
00:34:50.918 worthless.
00:34:51.560 >> Right.
00:34:51.960 >> What does it even say like, you know,
00:34:52.960 how you know a diamond is not really
00:34:54.359 worth what it’s what you paid for it is
00:34:56.080 it go try to sell an old diamond to
00:34:58.680 somebody else. It’s not like gold. No.
00:35:01.200 Why are there’s all these companies who
00:35:02.600 will buy your gold when there’s not all
00:35:04.440 the companies that are advertising
00:35:05.520 they’ll buy your diamonds?
00:35:06.480 >> Yeah, good point. I hadn’t thought of
00:35:07.840 that. Good point. Gold has real value to
00:35:09.760 it.
00:35:10.080 >> Well, now I have a conspiracy for you,
00:35:12.120 Ken. Okay.
00:35:13.680 >> share with everyone your theory on the
00:35:15.720 movie It?
00:35:17.240 All right. So, we were talking last time
00:35:19.960 about some of the movies and and how
00:35:22.800 there’s always this projection of of
00:35:26.040 what the future may hold and a lot of
00:35:27.880 coincidences. And the other thing that
00:35:29.880 we talk about a lot is that so many
00:35:33.040 times the
00:35:35.480 movies and and what they project out on
00:35:38.080 shows and things like that is is really
00:35:40.680 the exact opposite, you know, what they
00:35:42.920 tell us in the narratives in the news.
00:35:45.440 It’s the exact opposite of what’s
00:35:46.720 actually going on. And so, Megan and I
00:35:48.960 watched It Chapter Two several years
00:35:52.000 back when it first came out, and we
00:35:53.960 walked out of that thinking,
00:35:56.480 "They’re doing it with that." It was
00:35:58.560 interesting because the main thing that
00:36:00.680 really started us thinking about it is
00:36:02.400 the very end of that. And I don’t know
00:36:04.280 if you’ve seen it or if you remember the
00:36:05.600 movie, but there’s the, you know, the
00:36:07.640 creepy clown that kills people.
00:36:09.920 >> Yeah. Mhm. Uh wants their heart.
00:36:11.760 >> Wants their heart. In the very end, the
00:36:14.520 the kids that are trying to defeat the
00:36:18.200 clown are doing this whole chant, "Come
00:36:21.400 out of the light into the dark."
00:36:23.760 And it’s this really creepy kind of
00:36:25.640 cultish thing so much so that Megan in
00:36:29.000 the theater that day told the kids,
00:36:30.880 "Close your ears. Don’t listen to this."
00:36:32.480 And she starts saying a prayer about it
00:36:34.080 because it’s just weird. It’s "Come out
00:36:35.680 of the light into the dark," which is so
00:36:38.359 backwards.
00:36:39.520 >> The light was bad, and he he could
00:36:43.280 live in the light or something like
00:36:44.760 that. So, here’s the theory.
00:36:47.320 The scary homicidal supernatural clown
00:36:51.480 is Jesus. And think about it. Wanting
00:36:54.359 your soul, wanting your heart.
00:36:56.240 >> From the the little things like,
00:36:59.800 you know, very simply, It. The T in It
00:37:03.200 is just slightly away from a cross. It’s
00:37:06.280 if you lower the the line, it’s a cross.
00:37:08.720 But then in the beginning of that
00:37:10.680 Chapter Two, there’s a
00:37:14.320 gay couple
00:37:15.720 who’s getting harassed by these hick
00:37:18.320 townies who are, you know, really angry.
00:37:22.000 Mhm. They end up beating these guys
00:37:24.640 senseless, and they take one of them and
00:37:27.000 throw him into the river.
00:37:29.120 And
00:37:31.040 he ends up coming out on the other side
00:37:33.240 of the river. So, he’s going into the
00:37:35.080 water like a baptism, comes out on the
00:37:37.640 other side of the water, and the clown
00:37:39.480 is there.
00:37:40.600 And
00:37:41.760 the clown saves him from the water,
00:37:45.000 and just as his partner on the opposite
00:37:47.560 side that’s still where he was, where he
00:37:49.440 got beat up, watches him, the clown’s
00:37:52.120 mouth opens up gaping wide and bites
00:37:55.000 into his chest and bit his heart. So, it
00:37:58.720 was a circumcision of the heart. Where
00:38:01.000 does the clown meet
00:38:03.040 these people?
00:38:04.359 Primarily the kids. He’s very interested
00:38:06.400 in children and and taking children.
00:38:08.600 Meets them in the gutter.
00:38:10.280 So, he’s meeting people in the gutter.
00:38:12.880 He’s biting their heart. He’s killing
00:38:15.240 them that way, killing them to who they
00:38:16.960 were beforehand. There’s just so many
00:38:19.280 different things. If you start going
00:38:20.920 down that trail with that, it just was
00:38:22.920 very obvious to us Mhm. that they’re
00:38:25.280 just flipping the script. Yeah,
00:38:26.880 Hollywood does like to invert things.
00:38:28.600 I’ve talked so many times on my podcast
00:38:31.040 about how if you watch these Marvel
00:38:32.240 movies, like Thanos is more like God
00:38:34.560 than he is like the devil. Right.
00:38:37.240 >> it’s inverted. Like he’s coming out and
00:38:39.359 saying like, "I am
00:38:41.400 inevitable." Wow.
00:38:43.520 >> He’s saying, "Yeah, destiny’s here or
00:38:45.240 should I say I am?"
00:38:47.160 So, he’s basically saying he’s Yahweh.
00:38:48.760 He’s saying he’s he’s the Lord.
00:38:51.040 But yeah, if you go into like the the
00:38:52.680 clown stuff, I never saw that movie It,
00:38:55.400 so I can’t say whether you’re right or
00:38:56.960 you’re wrong about this theory, but it
00:38:58.800 really is interesting. One of my good
00:39:00.080 friends who I make content with, his
00:39:02.040 name’s Paul Stamps, and he wrote a book
00:39:03.640 called The The Nephilim Look Like
00:39:05.040 Clowns. And so, people have often
00:39:07.080 wondered like, "Why are clowns so creepy
00:39:09.160 and scary?
00:39:10.640 You know, were they ever funny?" Right.
00:39:12.800 >> Because you could if you pulled 100
00:39:14.760 people, how many people are going to
00:39:15.880 say, "Clowns kind of freak me out"
00:39:18.000 versus how many people say, "Clowns are
00:39:20.240 hilarious. Clowns make me laugh. Every
00:39:22.040 time I see him, I laugh." Yeah, it’s
00:39:23.640 pretty common that people are freaked
00:39:24.800 out about clowns.
00:39:25.560 >> It’s very common, and it’s very common
00:39:28.000 that they are villains in these movies.
00:39:30.920 So, there’s something unsettling about
00:39:32.920 like bright white paint, bright red
00:39:35.400 hair. They make their eyes look real
00:39:37.080 big. They make their mouths look real
00:39:38.560 big.
00:39:39.600 And so, if you’ve looked into the idea
00:39:41.480 of like the Nephilim in the Bible, it’s
00:39:44.040 this
00:39:45.280 crossbreed between divine beings,
00:39:47.720 angels, maybe seraphim angels, which are
00:39:49.640 kind of serpentine like, and people.
00:39:53.000 And so, would these beings have really
00:39:55.080 looked human? And so, some people have
00:39:56.800 wondered that is that what the clown is
00:40:00.360 trying to show? It’s like almost like
00:40:01.760 they almost are kind of serpentine the
00:40:03.280 way that they’re described with like the
00:40:05.200 the giant mouths.
00:40:06.840 And if you look into I guess the I want
00:40:08.680 to say in the Hindu mythologies, it’s
00:40:11.240 the rakshasa. It’s this
00:40:13.520 Hindu demon.
00:40:15.160 And if you go look at it, it almost
00:40:16.280 looks exactly like what a modern clown
00:40:19.040 looks like.
00:40:19.920 >> Yeah, so if you go out east, that they
00:40:21.520 have these certain kinds of mythologies
00:40:23.880 about these
00:40:25.400 these malevolent beings.
00:40:28.480 They look like clowns. And the very
00:40:30.440 first people who brought that modern
00:40:32.720 clown costume over here were guys from
00:40:35.760 who were I want to say that they were in
00:40:37.520 the um
00:40:38.840 the Odd Fellows, the secret society.
00:40:41.640 With the you know, the symbols are like
00:40:42.760 the three rings. Yeah.
00:40:44.360 >> think about like the Barnum & Bailey
00:40:45.880 like the three ring circus. So, they
00:40:47.800 come over and they did a lot of work in
00:40:50.280 India, and they brought some of the
00:40:52.320 stuff back over. Because if you look at
00:40:53.800 the very first clown costumes from like
00:40:56.120 the 1800s, they’re just wearing all
00:40:58.240 white.
00:40:59.560 They’re like they’re like a complete
00:41:00.960 blank slate. So, then later when we get
00:41:03.880 the modern clown costume, it turns into
00:41:06.280 like this completely psychedelic thing.
00:41:08.400 Right. Got big teeth. If you think about
00:41:10.520 it, a lot of times they’re all walking
00:41:11.920 on stilts. You know, they appear to be
00:41:13.720 giant. Like the Bible describes the
00:41:16.040 Nephilim as that they were giants. Now,
00:41:18.000 that’s interesting.
00:41:19.440 So, yeah, I mean, I don’t know about the
00:41:21.480 I guess the point is they could be doing
00:41:22.840 kind of two things at once. They could
00:41:24.320 kind of be comparing something that’s
00:41:26.400 good to something that’s evil.
00:41:28.880 But the at the same time, yeah, it’s
00:41:30.000 like they’re they’re showing this like
00:41:31.800 the clown stuff is just does not go
00:41:33.720 away.
00:41:35.040 And it’s definitely seemed to be related
00:41:36.560 to like demons. Like if you watch like
00:41:38.320 the just the Batman series, you have the
00:41:41.600 Joker is completely completely just
00:41:44.720 maniacal demon possessed. But I think
00:41:46.680 that’s why they they use the imagery of
00:41:48.760 a clown in it is they’re wanting people
00:41:51.480 to be scared of the Jesus figure. And
00:41:55.960 so, they’re using a clown that people
00:41:58.800 associate with yeah, okay, happiness,
00:42:01.600 but it also this this weird fear that
00:42:04.360 people have of of clowns.
00:42:06.480 Stay away from the clown. I said I’d
00:42:08.440 leave open the room for all of the all
00:42:10.440 of the above to be true. Yeah.
00:42:12.600 Then people should stay away from you.
00:42:14.879 >> [laughter]
00:42:15.960 >> Well, we’re almost out of time, and um I
00:42:20.160 hope we get to talk to you again before
00:42:21.800 you leave. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah,
00:42:23.840 this was a lot of fun. Yeah, we would
00:42:25.360 love that.
00:42:26.040 >> Really enjoyed having you here. Thanks
00:42:27.280 so much.
00:42:27.840 >> Yeah, for sure. For sure. Anytime. Thank
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