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Ozzy Osbourne, Faith and Family | Cross Examined Ep. 3

00:00:00.080 Welcome to Cross-examined with the
00:00:01.520 Gerbers. Thanks for joining us. I’m Ken
00:00:03.439 Gerber.
00:00:04.319 >> And I’m Megan Gerber.
00:00:09.200 >> Hey, Megan.
00:00:10.160 >> Hey. Hey, Ken.
00:00:11.920 >> So, what are your thoughts about today?
00:00:14.000 >> Well, my thoughts are that I’m excited
00:00:17.760 to do another podcast. I’m excited to
00:00:21.199 talk about stuff because we talk
00:00:22.560 anyways, so why not just record what we
00:00:24.720 talk about?
00:00:25.600 >> Yeah, we pretty much just put a camera
00:00:26.960 on you and follow you around. I don’t
00:00:29.599 know. Last podcast was pretty heavy. We
00:00:31.760 talked about cheating and pornography
00:00:34.960 and some pretty deep stuff. I thought
00:00:37.680 today we’d keep it on the lighter end. I
00:00:39.600 mean, not really lighter. I mean, Aussie
00:00:41.600 died. That’s
00:00:42.960 >> Aussie Osborne.
00:00:44.239 >> Yes.
00:00:45.120 >> Yeah. No, that’s
00:00:46.000 >> the king of heavy. Is it heavy metal or
00:00:49.200 king of rock? No, heavy metal.
00:00:50.879 >> The prince of darkness.
00:00:53.600 >> That’s the devil. Did he go by the
00:00:56.160 prince of darkness?
00:00:57.360 >> Yeah. Oh, okay. Well,
00:01:00.800 >> he died.
00:01:01.760 >> Yeah. And you let me know about it
00:01:03.520 yesterday.
00:01:04.239 >> Oh, yeah. That was funny. I mean, not
00:01:05.920 him dying was funny, but what happened?
00:01:07.439 >> I was in a hearing and it was a video
00:01:09.439 hearing, so I was
00:01:10.720 >> No, but you were done.
00:01:11.680 >> Professional attorney. Oh, that’s right.
00:01:13.840 I was on a call. I was on a conference
00:01:16.000 call at the time and so I couldn’t talk
00:01:18.320 and so I had my iPad open on my desk and
00:01:21.040 you texted me and you said Izzy died.
00:01:23.840 Well, I said Azie, but because we have a
00:01:26.720 cat named Izzy, my phone automatically
00:01:29.360 went to Izzy died, but I didn’t see that
00:01:31.280 it wrote Izzy died.
00:01:32.720 >> And so, I couldn’t answer cuz I was
00:01:34.720 talking with this client and I saw that
00:01:36.640 the cat died. And I know how upsetting
00:01:40.000 it is to you anytime there’s an issue
00:01:43.759 with
00:01:45.439 one of the animals, even if you know in
00:01:48.479 the past when a goldfish died, you freak
00:01:50.640 out.
00:01:51.040 >> Yes. It grosses me out like to have to
00:01:52.960 pick up something that’s dead. I can’t
00:01:54.799 even step on bugs.
00:01:56.560 >> So I responded. I said, "Oh my gosh, you
00:02:00.159 know what happened?"
00:02:02.479 And your response was so nonchalant.
00:02:05.360 It’s like, "Yeah, I know. It’s crazy,
00:02:07.280 right?" And I’m like, "Wait a minute.
00:02:09.280 Wait a minute. The cat just died and
00:02:12.080 you’re being totally nonchalant about
00:02:13.840 it."
00:02:14.239 >> You didn’t say the cat. You just
00:02:15.440 eventually went WTF.
00:02:17.120 >> Yeah. What’s but I’m thinking,
00:02:19.200 >> how are you so nonchalant right now? I’m
00:02:21.280 expecting you to be freaking out,
00:02:22.959 >> right? And then I looked up and I saw
00:02:24.319 Izzy died and I’m like, "Oh, no, Aussie.
00:02:26.400 Sorry."
00:02:27.440 >> Not as upsetting as our cat dying, I
00:02:30.000 guess.
00:02:30.879 >> No. Well, it’s just different.
00:02:34.640 >> Different.
00:02:35.200 >> It’s very unfortunate that Aussie died.
00:02:38.080 There’s a lot of fans out there and
00:02:40.239 >> Yeah. Well, his health was really in bad
00:02:42.720 shape. He just had his final concert.
00:02:44.800 >> Yeah. literally like a couple of weeks
00:02:46.720 ago.
00:02:47.280 >> Yeah, I know that Jack had said he read
00:02:50.959 something where
00:02:53.440 why why am I not thinking of his wife’s
00:02:55.200 name right now?
00:02:55.920 >> Sharon.
00:02:56.560 >> Yes, I I could blame Perry menopause,
00:02:59.120 but I just found out that I’m ovulating
00:03:01.840 like a 25year-old.
00:03:04.000 So, who the hell knows what’s going on
00:03:06.720 with my body?
00:03:07.599 >> You took a hormone test.
00:03:08.640 >> I literally I took a hormone test and I
00:03:12.159 was told, "Wow, congratulations. Your
00:03:15.040 number for your PGD is like that of a
00:03:19.040 25-year-old and better. You’re you’re
00:03:22.000 ovulating robustly at nearly 52. You
00:03:26.000 It’s clear you took care of your body
00:03:27.920 your whole life.
00:03:28.800 >> So you immediately went to chat GPT with
00:03:30.799 it and that’s where you’re getting this
00:03:32.319 information about the comparison and all
00:03:34.640 that.
00:03:35.120 >> Yes.
00:03:35.840 >> And I said to you, okay, next question
00:03:38.400 has to be, do the symptoms get better or
00:03:41.360 worse from here with the pmenopause?
00:03:43.519 Well, they said I’m clearly in just the
00:03:45.760 very beginning and I don’t feel like I’m
00:03:48.720 in the beginning.
00:03:50.560 I woke up last night drenched in sweat
00:03:53.360 as I always do. And women, you know what
00:03:56.319 I’m talking about,
00:03:58.879 you know.
00:04:00.080 >> So, do they get better or do they get
00:04:01.360 worse?
00:04:01.680 >> Worse.
00:04:03.519 >> It gets worse. What the hell?
00:04:08.400 But man, thank God I have that robust
00:04:11.120 ovulation,
00:04:12.319 >> right? I could have a baby if I wanted
00:04:14.000 to technically. I mean, I don’t know if
00:04:15.200 it’d work if all the other parts are
00:04:16.798 working, but I mean like my uterus.
00:04:20.000 Anyways, that’s just weird.
00:04:23.759 >> So,
00:04:24.560 >> you said
00:04:25.360 >> we segueed from Azie to your uterus.
00:04:28.320 >> You said should we have another baby,
00:04:30.000 >> right? I think Skyla would have an
00:04:32.000 absolute fit.
00:04:32.880 >> Oh, yeah. No, she’d have a cuz we talked
00:04:35.040 about even adopting before just, you
00:04:38.000 know, because there’s so many kids out
00:04:40.880 there that are orphans and she’s like,
00:04:42.880 I’m not sharing.
00:04:44.400 >> Yeah. Know, she kind of likes her
00:04:45.520 position, her station in life as the the
00:04:47.680 baby and
00:04:48.560 >> Yeah. Is there a hair? Jeez, it’s like a
00:04:51.199 cobweb.
00:04:53.120 So, um, school’s starting for most kids
00:04:56.240 in Arizona.
00:04:57.280 >> Yeah.
00:04:57.680 >> In the next couple weeks, which is weird
00:04:59.840 to me. I mean, like, not weird because
00:05:02.000 they’re starting, but do you remember as
00:05:03.759 a kid like Labor Day was always kind of
00:05:07.520 the marker where you knew school was
00:05:09.600 about to start? It was always after
00:05:12.160 Labor Day for us in Chicago.
00:05:13.600 >> I think I think we were different down
00:05:15.360 in Florida cuz I remember being in
00:05:17.840 school and being surprised that we had a
00:05:20.720 three-day weekend so soon after school
00:05:22.639 started. So, I think we started before
00:05:24.240 Labor Day.
00:05:24.880 >> Oh, no. Like, we’d stay up at the lake
00:05:27.039 until like until Labor Day. Maybe just a
00:05:29.680 few days around there. Yeah.
00:05:31.600 >> And now these kids, some of them I think
00:05:34.400 are starting like
00:05:36.720 August 1st.
00:05:38.800 What happened?
00:05:40.639 >> Listen people, my birthday’s August
00:05:42.320 10th. At least start at Well, I don’t
00:05:44.400 have to worry about that anymore.
00:05:45.440 Skyla’s doing online
00:05:47.759 at ASU Digital Prep,
00:05:50.400 >> right? She decided she’s okay with that.
00:05:53.039 >> Yeah. You know, the cool thing about
00:05:56.720 this day and age is kids are so
00:05:59.199 different and not all kids can do
00:06:01.280 online. I don’t think I could have. I
00:06:03.680 I’m just too distracted. I’d be at home.
00:06:06.160 >> I don’t think I would have wanted to.
00:06:08.080 >> I know. You’re just Mr. Social
00:06:10.240 butterfly.
00:06:13.840 I’m getting people. No, I’m just
00:06:15.600 kidding.
00:06:16.479 >> Which is funny that you you describe me
00:06:18.720 as a social butterfly.
00:06:20.080 >> More social butterfly than me. Look,
00:06:22.080 you’ve never met anybody in life that
00:06:24.639 you’re not instantly best friends with
00:06:26.400 and and talk to anybody and everybody.
00:06:30.000 >> I can talk to anybody, but like I never
00:06:33.199 wanted to be at school more than I had
00:06:35.199 to be when I was younger. You were Mr.
00:06:38.080 Let me do yearbook, let me do
00:06:40.880 government, let me do everything. I just
00:06:43.360 want to live at school 24/7 cuz I just
00:06:45.759 love it so much.
00:06:47.840 >> That was not me.
00:06:48.720 >> Yeah, I was a little bit of an
00:06:49.680 overachiever, I think. Well, no, that’s
00:06:51.600 not even an overachiever. That’s just
00:06:53.039 somebody that just loves being at school
00:06:55.520 with a bunch of people. That’s not just
00:06:57.280 an overachiever. I was an overachiever
00:06:59.759 with everything that I picked to
00:07:02.240 achieve. But I think that when you say I
00:07:04.560 was an overachiever, that’s almost like
00:07:06.720 people that are like, I’m busy.
00:07:10.160 >> Let’s not cover up your need for
00:07:12.240 attention
00:07:13.599 >> and call it overachiever. Like literally
00:07:16.479 though, hear you. Hear yourself. I was
00:07:18.479 an overachiever. So, does that mean I’m
00:07:20.400 an underachiever? Cuz I I just didn’t
00:07:22.240 want to be around those people. Maybe
00:07:24.160 I’m pickier than you.
00:07:26.000 >> You’re more like a puppy. I’m more like
00:07:27.360 a cat.
00:07:28.000 >> I was very competitive and so I wanted
00:07:30.720 the top position and whatever was
00:07:33.280 available.
00:07:34.000 >> H the cheerleading squad.
00:07:37.199 >> Well, that wasn’t really available and I
00:07:38.800 wasn’t interested.
00:07:39.840 >> So, what were you in, Mr. Kenneth Paul?
00:07:42.160 Tell us all in light.
00:07:43.360 >> Oh gosh, so many years ago. I was
00:07:46.560 >> It was actually almost a half a century
00:07:48.800 ago. class president.
00:07:50.479 >> Well, it was half a century ago. You’re
00:07:52.880 55. Oh, no, it wasn’t.
00:07:54.400 >> I would have been 5 years old in high
00:07:56.319 school.
00:07:57.280 >> Well, it’s technically almost there.
00:07:59.360 >> I was class president. I was
00:08:03.599 yearbook editor. I don’t even remember
00:08:06.319 half the things that I did.
00:08:07.919 >> Yeah. No, you wouldn’t have been my
00:08:09.120 type. I would have been like, he’s too
00:08:11.680 much of an butt kisser.
00:08:14.400 >> I think I would.
00:08:15.039 >> I was a rebel.
00:08:15.919 >> No, I think I would have been your type.
00:08:17.120 I think I would have been irresistible
00:08:18.560 to you.
00:08:19.120 >> No. Uh-uh. You know what? When I was
00:08:22.639 younger, it was like if if you’re the
00:08:25.520 one that everyone’s like, "He’s so cute.
00:08:27.599 He’s" I’m like, "Uh-uh." I’m not. Mm- I
00:08:30.479 go for the person that not everybody is
00:08:32.320 going for. I don’t know why.
00:08:34.880 >> Yeah.
00:08:36.159 >> I mean, I’m glad that we’re together
00:08:37.679 now.
00:08:38.880 >> I think I think we would have gotten
00:08:41.519 along wonderfully. I see pictures of you
00:08:44.480 as a child and and I love the smile on
00:08:48.959 your face.
00:08:50.000 >> I see pictures of you in your teens, in
00:08:52.240 your 20s, and I think to myself,
00:08:57.040 okay, not saying that we don’t go
00:09:00.160 through things that set us up for where
00:09:01.920 we are in life, because we do. But
00:09:04.000 there’s a part of me that says, I wish
00:09:05.760 we would have met younger and I would
00:09:07.839 have been able to spend more of my life
00:09:09.279 with you. A,
00:09:11.760 that’s so sweet.
00:09:13.600 >> Oh, it’s true.
00:09:14.800 >> That’s so sweet. And here I am bashing
00:09:17.519 you.
00:09:20.160 >> I’m so sorry. I’m such a beehole.
00:09:25.519 You know,
00:09:26.080 >> blame it on the uterus.
00:09:27.839 >> Blame it on the rain. Yeah. Yeah. Blame
00:09:32.160 it on the uterus. Yeah. Well, yeah. We
00:09:35.839 could have had more kids together.
00:09:37.839 >> Sure. But now it’s too late. Well, maybe
00:09:40.480 not.
00:09:40.880 >> No, it’s not based on your hormones.
00:09:43.760 >> So, let’s go back to Azie. Man, you know
00:09:46.000 what is interesting with having the
00:09:47.760 nonprofit is a music center. We have one
00:09:51.040 of the largest or the largest stages in
00:09:53.200 the West Valley of Phoenix, which is
00:09:55.120 Glendale, Arizona.
00:09:56.959 >> And we’ve really had an opportunity to
00:09:59.040 talk to a lot of people that have been
00:10:01.920 in the industry. I’m talking like
00:10:04.480 >> industry industry,
00:10:05.600 >> recording artists, producers,
00:10:08.560 people that know or have been deeply
00:10:12.800 ingrained in that community and have a
00:10:14.640 lot of contacts for a lot of years in
00:10:17.360 that industry.
00:10:18.480 >> And Jack was listening and I’m not going
00:10:21.760 to name names who have told us things,
00:10:24.240 but it is not something to take lightly.
00:10:28.880 I mean, basically from what we’re told,
00:10:32.399 they own these people. They they when
00:10:36.640 they sign you, from what I’ve been we’ve
00:10:39.120 been told, they sign you, let’s say they
00:10:41.519 sign you and they give you a million
00:10:43.040 dollars, you owe that money back to
00:10:44.800 them,
00:10:45.519 >> right? It’s it’s more like an advance on
00:10:49.200 what they’re expecting you to earn. And
00:10:52.240 so they they give you that advance and
00:10:54.880 they say, "Okay, you owe us so many
00:10:57.279 records and you have to earn by selling
00:11:01.839 records and doing concerts and all that.
00:11:04.560 You have to earn enough money to pay
00:11:06.640 that back and then maybe you get
00:11:08.240 something,
00:11:09.120 >> right?" And there’s so many people in
00:11:11.760 the industry that end up overdosing on
00:11:15.120 drugs, poor,
00:11:16.880 >> right?
00:11:17.440 >> Famous people. and you know a friend of
00:11:20.880 ours who is in the industry and there’s
00:11:24.000 a famous interview I don’t know who do
00:11:25.760 you remember who he said did the
00:11:26.959 interview it was basically
00:11:28.240 >> David Lee Roth
00:11:29.360 >> you give everything to them your
00:11:31.680 holidays your families you’re not going
00:11:33.200 to be at funerals you give them
00:11:35.600 everything and that’s not even this
00:11:38.079 beginning of it
00:11:38.959 >> that’s just to get started you put
00:11:40.959 everything on hold your entire life on
00:11:43.680 hold while you make the records and do
00:11:47.279 the performances and all And then if you
00:11:50.160 are talented enough and fortunate enough
00:11:53.279 to hit it big, then you still don’t get
00:11:55.920 your life back because now you don’t
00:11:58.000 have your privacy. You don’t have an
00:12:00.560 ability to have any semblance of a
00:12:03.120 normal life.
00:12:04.240 >> Yeah. in that industry in general, not
00:12:06.240 just music, Hollywood, you know, I’m
00:12:10.480 friends with people that have been in
00:12:12.079 the business. And, you know, it’s not
00:12:16.079 it’s definitely sexual sexually
00:12:19.279 motivated.
00:12:20.240 >> Yeah.
00:12:20.720 >> I had someone that I know that was flown
00:12:23.440 down to LA and they were supposed to go
00:12:26.160 to a red carpet and it was basically,
00:12:28.320 hey, I flew you down here. Time to
00:12:30.320 perform sexually,
00:12:32.399 >> right? You know, even talking about the
00:12:34.959 Diddy case and all that happened with
00:12:37.440 that and I don’t know how he got away
00:12:40.320 with what he did. That’s that’s where
00:12:42.560 the law comes in, Ken.
00:12:44.800 >> You know, you didn’t really read into
00:12:46.160 that. But how does how do people get
00:12:48.720 like I feel like things can be so dirty.
00:12:51.360 You know, we talk about the good old
00:12:52.720 boys. You being in Florida and there’s
00:12:54.959 the good old boys with your divorce,
00:12:56.880 >> right?
00:12:57.360 >> People get away with anything. I mean,
00:12:59.279 there was so many dirty things that
00:13:01.040 happened in your divorce. Would you like
00:13:03.120 to talk about that a little bit?
00:13:04.720 >> No, I don’t want to talk about that. I
00:13:06.079 don’t want to talk I’ll talk about the
00:13:07.200 law. I’ll talk about how things
00:13:08.720 >> But you don’t want to talk about how
00:13:09.839 dirty law can be.
00:13:11.200 >> It can be. It can be there. There’s
00:13:14.240 >> I’m not saying all law, but there’s a
00:13:16.160 lot that can go sideways and people feel
00:13:19.440 that. And I think that you being a
00:13:22.079 lawyer can make them feel like they’re
00:13:24.480 not crazy, especially dads that are
00:13:27.120 getting alienated from their kids and
00:13:29.839 dads that feel like the court system’s
00:13:31.920 not hearing them. That happened to you.
00:13:34.399 >> Yeah. So, I I I feel for every dad
00:13:38.240 that’s going through that situation. And
00:13:40.880 the the issue is this, and I’ve
00:13:42.639 counseledled clients like about this for
00:13:46.160 30 years now, that when you go to court,
00:13:49.839 it’s not about the truth. As much as the
00:13:53.279 the legal system likes to say that it’s
00:13:57.120 >> put your hand up,
00:13:58.240 >> it’s not about the truth. It It’s about
00:13:59.920 the appearance. And so that’s where
00:14:01.839 lawyers come in with the the ability to
00:14:05.920 make fancy arguments and smart arguments
00:14:09.360 to try and take something that is is one
00:14:13.360 way and make it fit into a different box
00:14:16.320 altogether and say, "Yeah, it’s not like
00:14:18.079 that. This is the way it is." And so
00:14:19.760 it’s about who presents the best and
00:14:24.079 most acceptable
00:14:27.519 appearance of what actually happened.
00:14:29.519 But you but what confuses me is you are
00:14:33.440 so particular about everything being
00:14:36.240 absolutely
00:14:37.760 the truth.
00:14:38.720 >> Yes.
00:14:39.040 >> You won’t even take clients that they
00:14:40.639 seem a little bit like they’re not
00:14:42.240 telling the truth. You are above board
00:14:45.519 with that. And so I think that’s where
00:14:48.240 it confuses me because I see you being
00:14:51.839 so so cautious about everything being
00:14:55.440 absolutely truthful. Even when I met you
00:14:57.760 when you weren’t a Christian, this has
00:14:59.839 just been who you are. That’s why
00:15:02.800 sometimes it’s hard for me to listen to
00:15:04.399 depositions that we’re in. Like it it
00:15:07.199 makes me mad hearing them twist stuff,
00:15:10.079 >> right?
00:15:11.279 >> Going back to the law and how they get
00:15:14.480 away with things like Diddy and certain
00:15:16.800 cases that are going on with anybody,
00:15:19.680 you know, how they they screwed over
00:15:21.360 Trump so many times. How is that not
00:15:24.720 about the truth? who who decided that
00:15:27.839 it’s about how good you are at
00:15:30.000 storytelling.
00:15:30.959 >> The goal of the system is to be about
00:15:34.079 the truth, but the way to get there has
00:15:37.920 to go through the presentation of cases.
00:15:40.800 And it’s it’s about who presents the
00:15:43.920 best side of it. And particularly when
00:15:47.199 you’re talking about cases going in
00:15:48.880 front of a jury,
00:15:50.800 there’s nobody that can predict what any
00:15:54.160 jury is actually going to find important
00:15:57.519 and and decide on a case. And there’s a
00:16:00.240 huge huge industry of jury consultants.
00:16:03.600 And there are, you know, every attorney
00:16:06.639 in the world that does jury trials
00:16:09.040 thinks that they have a great grasp of
00:16:11.920 what juries do. Me, I’m no different. I
00:16:15.360 feel like I’ve got a great grasp with
00:16:16.959 all of my experience and training, but
00:16:19.360 in the end,
00:16:21.600 there is nobody who truly knows what any
00:16:23.759 jury is going to do. And we’re dealing
00:16:25.199 with the human element. We’re dealing
00:16:26.800 with people’s backgrounds, their
00:16:29.920 history, their emotion, their knowledge
00:16:32.480 of everyday life, and even how they pay
00:16:36.240 attention to certain facts. And it’s
00:16:38.000 shocking sometimes when you get done
00:16:40.399 with a case and a jury has made a
00:16:43.040 decision and you get the opportunity to
00:16:45.680 talk with the jury and you find out,
00:16:48.399 well, we decided because this witness
00:16:52.160 said this and you as the attorney look
00:16:54.800 at that and you’re like that was the
00:16:57.440 smallest fact in this case that had
00:17:00.639 absolutely nothing to do with the grand
00:17:03.120 scheme of what was going on in this
00:17:04.640 case. for whatever reason
00:17:07.599 that jury or even sometimes it’s that
00:17:10.400 foreman of the jury found that issue so
00:17:13.919 important and persuaded the rest of the
00:17:15.839 jury and that’s what they decided based
00:17:17.520 on and it’s very very difficult to
00:17:19.919 predict. So you do everything you can as
00:17:22.799 an attorney to try and anticipate that
00:17:26.000 try and figure that out. You hire jury
00:17:28.240 consultants and you try and do
00:17:30.799 everything you can to anticipate
00:17:33.840 the way a jury is going to go and you
00:17:37.760 over time with training you get very
00:17:42.000 skilled at it and you get very very
00:17:45.120 adept at making predictions based on
00:17:48.480 probabilities but in the end it’s never
00:17:50.880 100%. Well, that’s not what we You
00:17:53.200 didn’t have a jury for your divorce and
00:17:56.880 you were supposed to get your name off
00:17:58.880 of your house years be prior. You argued
00:18:02.720 against it and then the judge just said,
00:18:07.200 "No, she doesn’t have to do anything."
00:18:08.640 You took it to the appellet court and
00:18:10.000 they said, "No, absolutely. She has to
00:18:11.120 take her name off of and you she has to
00:18:14.240 take your name off of the house." And
00:18:15.760 the judge did nothing about it.
00:18:18.320 So there again, you’re dealing with the
00:18:20.640 human element. You’re dealing with
00:18:23.039 >> well, judges are are allowed to do that.
00:18:26.640 >> It depends on the situation. The the
00:18:28.799 rules are in place where certain times
00:18:30.960 judges have discretion to do X, Y, and
00:18:33.360 Z. Other times the the standard that
00:18:37.120 they have is
00:18:40.320 as little as did they abuse their
00:18:42.559 discretion, which
00:18:43.600 >> this judge was kicked off of your case
00:18:45.600 because he did abuse it. He ended up
00:18:47.919 getting recused. Yes, we we filed a
00:18:49.840 motion. Got
00:18:50.880 >> Hold on. Well, what’s unfair about that
00:18:52.240 and sorry for moving around is even
00:18:56.000 though he was seen as biased towards
00:18:59.760 your ex, all of those rulings
00:19:03.280 >> still stood
00:19:04.000 >> still stood,
00:19:04.880 >> right?
00:19:06.080 >> So, it’s like, "Oh, gee, sorry. He made
00:19:08.240 all of these biased decisions and
00:19:10.960 rulings for the last
00:19:13.679 4,000 years." I mean, your divorce went
00:19:16.000 4,000 years. It was the longest divorce
00:19:17.919 in history. I mean, I I do think that it
00:19:21.120 was from 2007 and finally this last year
00:19:24.160 we wrapped things up fully. But
00:19:28.559 he made all of these unfair rulings
00:19:31.760 against you
00:19:34.320 and so much so he got recused,
00:19:37.039 >> right,
00:19:37.520 >> because he was biased. But all of those
00:19:39.840 biased decisions get to stay. How how
00:19:43.360 I’m I’m I’m a middle child. Like that’s
00:19:45.200 not fair. That’s not fair.
00:19:48.160 >> Yeah. I mean, there’s a lot that’s not
00:19:50.320 fair in the law. We we dealing with laws
00:19:54.960 and and the rules of procedure that are
00:19:58.640 supposed to give us an ultimate decision
00:20:02.799 based on the merits of what’s going on.
00:20:05.600 But there’s so many things that come
00:20:06.880 into play. And I mean, I can tell you
00:20:09.360 the theory behind that. I can tell you
00:20:11.200 why those rules are like that, but it
00:20:13.919 doesn’t answer the question of, well,
00:20:16.080 that’s not fair. Why is it, you know,
00:20:17.760 why why does it have to be like that
00:20:20.960 sometimes? That’s just the way the the
00:20:23.039 rules are.
00:20:23.840 >> Well, I remember at one point, I don’t
00:20:26.640 know what was going on with the hearing.
00:20:28.799 you were trying to prove how you were
00:20:30.240 trying to get a hold of your children
00:20:32.880 and we had phone records that you had
00:20:35.840 called that previous year I think over
00:20:39.120 200 times
00:20:40.880 >> and it showed that only answered the
00:20:42.799 phone your ex 30 of those times
00:20:45.760 >> and the kids thought you weren’t calling
00:20:47.600 but she wasn’t answering the phone and
00:20:49.360 we had proof of that
00:20:51.039 >> but that they didn’t care and that was
00:20:53.200 part of her argument was that you
00:20:55.120 weren’t trying to contact the kids how
00:20:57.600 many times you would fly out to Florida
00:20:59.760 to see the kids when she then would say,
00:21:02.480 "No, we have other plans." But the kids
00:21:03.919 didn’t know you were even in town. But
00:21:05.520 the judge didn’t care about that. So,
00:21:07.360 there’s these dads out there that are
00:21:09.520 needing the law to help them see their
00:21:12.320 kids. And that system is allowing these
00:21:17.520 these women or men, if you’re a woman
00:21:20.400 going through this, I I apologize. I
00:21:22.000 don’t mean to just, but it’s more
00:21:24.000 prevalent with men. the system is
00:21:26.799 allowing them to do that.
00:21:28.640 >> Yeah. There’s again you’re you’re
00:21:31.039 talking about the appearances and in
00:21:33.360 those situations particularly in
00:21:37.039 divorce law which again thankfully I
00:21:40.159 don’t do. I have no interest in ever
00:21:42.080 doing that. But it’s historically
00:21:45.440 favored
00:21:46.960 the mother
00:21:48.880 as the the caregiver for the children.
00:21:51.919 And you know, a lot has changed through
00:21:54.080 the years, but
00:21:57.760 and a lot has changed in the laws and
00:21:59.679 and and the rules through the years, but
00:22:02.240 a lot has not changed in terms of
00:22:06.720 people’s
00:22:08.240 thought process about it and again even
00:22:10.880 judges the way they think. And and so
00:22:14.960 yeah, it it does seem a lot of the time
00:22:17.919 like the benefit of the doubt is is
00:22:20.559 given to
00:22:23.200 the mother most of the time or one
00:22:26.720 parent over the other. And
00:22:29.600 >> but we had proof that it that the things
00:22:33.200 that she was claiming weren’t accurate
00:22:36.240 and it seemed like the court did not
00:22:38.240 even care. This is difficult for a lot
00:22:40.559 of people to understand because you go
00:22:42.880 through the litigation process in any
00:22:45.360 kind of case and you develop the
00:22:48.720 evidence and even though you have that
00:22:50.880 evidence, you only get to a certain
00:22:53.600 point when it’s presented. And I’ll give
00:22:55.120 you an example. We’ve talked about this
00:22:56.640 before in criminal cases when when
00:22:59.919 somebody gets arrested for, you know, a
00:23:03.520 blatant crime that they they’ve
00:23:06.080 committed and they show up in front of
00:23:08.240 the judge for the very first hearing and
00:23:10.880 the judge says to them, "How do you
00:23:12.480 plead?" And they say, "I plead not
00:23:14.480 guilty." And and people who are not
00:23:16.880 aware of the system fly off the handle
00:23:19.039 with that and they say, "How in the
00:23:20.480 world can this person say they’re not
00:23:22.640 guilty?" And as a an attorney, you look
00:23:26.000 at it and say, "Well, that’s the
00:23:27.360 procedure. That’s where they are in in
00:23:30.000 the the whole litigation setting of of a
00:23:32.480 criminal case, they’re entering their
00:23:34.480 initial plea." And defense attorneys,
00:23:37.440 criminal defense attorneys, just often
00:23:40.480 times send in a written plea of not
00:23:43.600 guilty where they don’t even show up at
00:23:45.200 that first hearing. And you, as a matter
00:23:47.600 of course, in every case, as a criminal
00:23:50.000 defense attorney, you plead not guilty
00:23:52.080 for your client. psychotic.
00:23:53.919 >> Yeah. But that that’s what provides the
00:23:56.559 opportunity for the defense attorney to
00:23:58.559 get all of the evidence that the
00:24:00.559 prosecution has so that they can analyze
00:24:03.200 it and try and come up with the best
00:24:05.120 defense. So it’s not that that person is
00:24:07.919 standing up and saying, "I didn’t do
00:24:09.360 it."
00:24:10.320 >> It’s it’s allowing for the story to be
00:24:12.720 told and read. And so it allows it it
00:24:15.520 doesn’t feel very truthful. It feels
00:24:18.080 like it’s giving people an opportunity
00:24:21.120 to tell their lies, right?
00:24:22.880 >> As a lay person, as somebody that’s not
00:24:25.120 an attorney and I do marketing, you
00:24:28.320 know, as much as I love what we do and
00:24:32.080 how we help the people that we help, I
00:24:34.720 didn’t get together with you because you
00:24:36.159 were an attorney. I actually didn’t even
00:24:37.440 know you were an attorney till the
00:24:38.640 fourth time we spoke and I made an
00:24:40.720 attorney joke.
00:24:43.840 >> But I am very black and white in that
00:24:46.000 sense.
00:24:46.559 >> Yeah. And I don’t like the law when it
00:24:49.520 comes to those things.
00:24:50.720 >> It’s a very very imperfect system, the
00:24:54.000 American justice system. At the same
00:24:56.400 time, I believe it’s the best system.
00:24:58.559 It’s the closest thing that we can get
00:25:00.240 because we’re giving people
00:25:02.960 the best opportunity.
00:25:05.200 We’re trying to do what we can to avoid
00:25:08.559 wrongful convictions. It’s just subject
00:25:11.600 to manipulation.
00:25:14.640 And that’s the hard part for people on
00:25:17.120 the outside to see and understand and
00:25:20.480 accept. And I I get that. I get it
00:25:22.799 because we went through that.
00:25:24.320 >> We go through it all the time with
00:25:25.600 cases. It makes me so mad when you have
00:25:28.640 someone where
00:25:31.360 their father passed away and you have
00:25:33.760 defense council looking at them while
00:25:35.520 they’re crying and going, "Come on, he
00:25:37.840 died three years ago. You really don’t
00:25:39.279 need to be crying right now." I mean,
00:25:40.880 it’s so cold and callous. So much of it.
00:25:43.200 >> Yeah. Heartless. It is so heartless.
00:25:46.080 >> And that’s, you know, yes, that attorney
00:25:48.320 is is cold and calculating and
00:25:51.120 heartless, but they’re also trying to
00:25:53.360 prod and poke at that person to see what
00:25:55.760 kind of a witness they’re going to make.
00:25:57.279 >> So evil.
00:25:57.919 >> It is evil. It is evil. And it’s part of
00:26:00.480 the process, unfortunately. And I hate
00:26:02.240 it just as much as you do. I just expect
00:26:05.200 it and do my best to counsel our clients
00:26:08.880 around it and prepare them for it. So
00:26:11.200 like what we talked about before is we
00:26:12.960 want to examine and bringing that back
00:26:14.960 to
00:26:16.640 how does that align with Christ?
00:26:19.120 >> It aligns with Christ by us standing on
00:26:22.960 truth and using our integrity and not
00:26:27.279 using the same tactics of manipulation
00:26:31.840 and using false attacks on people. We’ll
00:26:36.159 argue and we’ll come up with best
00:26:38.080 arguments out there and I’ll take
00:26:40.559 depositions and I’ll cross-examine
00:26:42.960 witnesses and I’ll point out where
00:26:44.640 they’re being inconsistent and lying
00:26:47.279 and, you know, hold their feet to the
00:26:49.120 fire, but we’re not going to do it with
00:26:51.919 us lying and with us manipulating the
00:26:56.559 truth just for a win and just for money.
00:26:59.840 >> I agree with that 100%. trying to use
00:27:01.600 our integrity that God demands we keep.
00:27:05.279 >> Right? So if people come to us and think
00:27:07.279 that we’re going to get them money based
00:27:09.520 on manipulation, they’re coming to the
00:27:11.840 wrong place.
00:27:12.720 >> Right? You have a legitimate case, a
00:27:15.120 legitimate injury, and we’re going to
00:27:17.520 fight for it. There’s no doubt. We’ll
00:27:19.760 fight for it and we’ll win.
00:27:21.440 >> You know what’s interesting? We were
00:27:23.039 Skyler and I were out to lunch about a
00:27:25.440 week ago and somebody had burned
00:27:27.760 themselves on a candle at the table or
00:27:29.440 something like that and I had jokingly
00:27:31.120 said, "Oh, hey, call my husband." He
00:27:33.039 wasn’t hurt or anything like that. And
00:27:34.640 he said, "I actually would never do
00:27:36.080 that. I’m not that kind of person." You
00:27:38.480 know, get into that a little bit. We’ve
00:27:40.720 we’ve noticed that there’s people out
00:27:42.640 there that claim that they’re not that
00:27:44.400 kind of person to sue, but then when
00:27:49.440 they get in an accident or something
00:27:50.960 happens, they’ll say to us, "Oh, I never
00:27:52.799 thought I’d be this kind of person."
00:27:55.600 Why is there such a shadow? And I
00:27:59.760 understand because of what we were just
00:28:01.279 talking about about the manipulation and
00:28:02.960 the dirtiness of it,
00:28:04.240 >> right? But if you’re seriously injured
00:28:08.080 and you have insurance, the insurance
00:28:09.919 company’s a business. They’re not going
00:28:12.000 to give you everything, most likely what
00:28:14.240 you’re owed.
00:28:16.159 Why is it wrong to get someone that is
00:28:20.320 an expert on legal issues regarding
00:28:23.440 injury to help protect your interest,
00:28:25.919 your family’s interest, because you pay
00:28:28.399 a lot into your insurance, and why
00:28:30.799 aren’t you allowed to use it? So if
00:28:32.720 you’re not that kind of person, you
00:28:34.399 wouldn’t have insurance if you weren’t
00:28:35.679 forced or I mean you are paying
00:28:37.440 insurance every single day,
00:28:40.080 why then do you feel guilty for using
00:28:41.760 it? Isn’t that kind of like I feel like
00:28:44.000 the insurance companies made that up.
00:28:46.080 >> You know what? I tend to agree with you
00:28:47.360 about that. There’s this huge stigma
00:28:49.279 about using the insurance
00:28:53.360 claims process
00:28:56.000 and I do believe that it all stems from
00:29:00.640 insurance company marketing and
00:29:05.520 presenting the image of people who have
00:29:09.760 fabricated
00:29:11.440 and
00:29:12.960 gotten money for things that they don’t
00:29:15.360 deserve. You know, everybody always has
00:29:18.000 in their mind the image of somebody, you
00:29:21.279 know, using a cane and having a neck
00:29:23.600 brace, right? You know, hobbling to
00:29:25.679 their car and then getting to the car
00:29:27.520 and ripping it off and throwing into the
00:29:29.120 back seat and, you know, skipping and
00:29:30.559 hopping into the front seat and driving
00:29:32.559 away with a big smile on their face
00:29:34.240 because they’re pulling off this big
00:29:35.520 hoax. And the reality is, does that
00:29:38.559 happen? I’m sure that it’s out there and
00:29:40.480 we’re going to vet those and stay as far
00:29:42.399 away from those as possible. But the
00:29:44.559 reality is that the vast majority of
00:29:47.679 people who are hurt have a legitimate
00:29:50.640 claim. They have legitimate medical
00:29:52.880 bills. They have a legitimate right to
00:29:54.960 be compensated because their life has
00:29:57.120 changed. And I believe they actually
00:29:58.880 have a duty to their family to make that
00:30:01.679 claim so that they can provide properly
00:30:04.159 for their family. Uh whether that’s just
00:30:06.640 for a limited period of time or for life
00:30:09.200 as well. So, I do believe that that’s
00:30:11.440 been a decadesl long onslaught by the
00:30:16.399 insurance industry to try and paint this
00:30:18.480 picture.
00:30:19.200 >> And as a Christian, you know, a lot of
00:30:20.880 Christians will say, "You’re not
00:30:21.919 supposed to sue. The Bible says you’re
00:30:24.159 not supposed to do that. You’re just
00:30:26.080 supposed to forgive." How do you feel
00:30:28.480 about that?
00:30:29.679 >> What it says is you go and resolve the
00:30:33.600 issue with your brother before going to
00:30:37.600 get it taken care of. And I think that’s
00:30:40.080 part of what we do. Honestly, the
00:30:43.279 greatest percentage of cases get
00:30:45.840 resolved without filing a lawsuit,
00:30:48.559 without going to court, and without ever
00:30:50.159 ending up in trial. So, aren’t we
00:30:52.000 actually following what Jesus said?
00:30:54.960 We’re we’re taking that to the person or
00:30:58.080 the representative of that person, in
00:31:00.000 many cases, the insurance company, and
00:31:01.840 we’re trying to resolve it before
00:31:03.520 actually getting to court. We’re giving
00:31:04.960 them an opportunity to see the damage
00:31:07.039 that they’ve done and to compensate our
00:31:09.600 clients so that it gets resolved
00:31:11.679 amicably
00:31:13.279 without ever having to go to court.
00:31:15.440 >> And the hard part is people really
00:31:17.200 believe, well, I get the same amount of
00:31:19.600 money if I went to my insurance company
00:31:21.440 on my own and then I have to pay a fee
00:31:23.600 to you. I’m going to get less money.
00:31:25.679 Clients actually get more money by
00:31:28.080 hiring you even with paying the fee.
00:31:31.039 >> Absolutely. The
00:31:32.559 >> And why would that be? Because the
00:31:35.279 insurance industry
00:31:37.760 specifically trains their adjusters how
00:31:40.799 to approach and handle people who are
00:31:43.840 not represented. And their reason for
00:31:46.960 doing that and spending so much time and
00:31:49.360 effort in that training is because they
00:31:52.240 know they will overall save money by
00:31:56.480 getting people to remain unrepresented
00:31:59.760 and settle their cases without hiring an
00:32:01.919 attorney. because that person who’s not
00:32:05.120 represented is generally not going to be
00:32:08.080 sophisticated enough to know what
00:32:10.480 they’re entitled to claim, to know what
00:32:12.799 the value of their injuries are, to know
00:32:15.360 what they’re entitled to. and somebody
00:32:17.679 comes to me and I can see that they’ve
00:32:20.159 put some thought into it and they may
00:32:22.799 have one thing that they’ve argued that
00:32:25.519 they see as the issue in the case and
00:32:27.519 I’m looking at 12 other things that
00:32:29.440 they’ve completely missed and haven’t
00:32:31.039 even thought of and that all adds value
00:32:33.600 to the case. So yeah, you can’t say
00:32:36.720 absolutely, but to a great degree we’ll
00:32:41.200 always get more than somebody will
00:32:42.960 individually.
00:32:44.320 >> I like that.
00:32:46.159 I hate that people are confused though.
00:32:48.000 I hate that
00:32:50.240 so many people think
00:32:52.880 that by hiring us, you’re immediately
00:32:55.120 suing someone.
00:32:56.480 >> No, that’s not the case. Again,
00:32:59.519 we want to investigate the case. We want
00:33:02.080 to make sure that somebody is
00:33:04.159 >> But why isn’t it suing? So, they hire
00:33:06.960 us. Isn’t that meaning I have a lawyer
00:33:08.880 to sue you? Why is that not what Can you
00:33:11.760 explain? I guess I can explain. You’re
00:33:14.399 hiring us to get all of the information
00:33:16.720 together, to gather your case together,
00:33:19.039 to then call the insurance company and
00:33:20.960 say, "Hey, I’m an attorney. I’m
00:33:22.799 representing this person on their behalf
00:33:25.519 to collect all of the information for
00:33:27.440 the case." And because I have knowledge
00:33:30.320 with my JD, I know they deserve X, Y,
00:33:34.080 and Z. And the insurance company, their
00:33:36.399 ears pop up and go, "Oh, they’re
00:33:37.919 represented. We can’t screw around as
00:33:40.320 much. We’ll offer more typically." and
00:33:43.360 then you can negotiate more money
00:33:46.399 without suing filing a lawsuit, right?
00:33:50.399 So, most cases aren’t filed as a
00:33:54.240 lawsuit,
00:33:55.039 >> right?
00:33:55.440 >> We’re just handling because if we’re
00:33:57.519 filing a lawsuit, our fee goes up,
00:33:59.760 >> right? Our effort and our time increases
00:34:05.200 exponentially,
00:34:06.320 >> right? And so we we have to
00:34:09.040 >> and the risk is greater.
00:34:10.159 >> And the risk is greater because we’re
00:34:11.679 spending thousands and thousands of
00:34:13.359 dollars on those cases.
00:34:14.719 >> And if we lose,
00:34:15.918 >> we lose.
00:34:16.639 >> We lose. They don’t have to pay us any
00:34:18.159 money,
00:34:18.800 >> right? So we know that it’s in our
00:34:23.119 client’s best interest, generally
00:34:25.679 speaking. Not all the time. Every case
00:34:27.520 is different and you always have to keep
00:34:29.679 that in the back of your mind. And
00:34:31.280 sometimes it’s the absolute right thing
00:34:33.199 to do. It’s the right case. It’s the
00:34:35.199 right client. it’s the right response
00:34:37.918 from or the wrong response from an
00:34:39.679 insurance company and you know that this
00:34:41.119 is a case we have to sue. We are suing
00:34:44.239 and we are pursuing this thing all the
00:34:46.000 way through court and there’s nothing
00:34:47.199 that’s going to stop us and in the end
00:34:49.199 we’re going to get what our clients
00:34:51.040 deserve. But that’s that’s not every
00:34:53.199 case. And so you have to make the
00:34:55.440 decision based on what’s in the best
00:34:57.520 interest of the client. Is it better for
00:34:59.680 the client to have us resolve it without
00:35:02.560 suing, without filing a lawsuit, which
00:35:04.960 is the beginning of the suit, the suing
00:35:07.200 process, or is it better for us to file
00:35:10.320 the lawsuit given the risks, the
00:35:12.480 increase in fees, the increase in cost,
00:35:14.240 the increase in time, you know, the the
00:35:16.880 increase in their stress level and their
00:35:18.800 involvement with them having to go to
00:35:20.560 depositions and hearings and sitting in
00:35:23.200 trial and testifying in front of a jury,
00:35:25.440 all those things. And don’t you want
00:35:28.320 somebody to do that for you that truly
00:35:33.200 answers to a higher power and has a
00:35:36.079 higher set of ethics and and morals than
00:35:40.960 just what the law and the procedural
00:35:44.160 rules allow?
00:35:45.440 >> Yeah, I would think so.
00:35:47.200 >> And I think that’s where we come in.
00:35:49.119 Again, we cross-examine our lives. We
00:35:53.359 cross-examine our business and our
00:35:55.359 practice
00:35:56.960 based on the word of God.
00:36:00.079 >> And we work with a lot of doctors and
00:36:02.640 people in the valley that are also
00:36:05.280 Christian. Yeah. And they have good
00:36:07.040 hearts.
00:36:07.839 >> We’ve had doctors
00:36:10.960 say to us
00:36:13.119 in situations where we’ve had to maybe
00:36:16.320 negotiate an outstanding medical bill
00:36:20.800 and say to us, "You know what? I see my
00:36:23.200 practice as a ministry.
00:36:26.160 Don’t worry about this bill. I’ll take
00:36:28.240 care of it. And that’s that’s not
00:36:30.400 something that we want to happen. We
00:36:32.079 deserve we believe everybody deserves to
00:36:33.839 be, you know, paid for the work that
00:36:36.480 they do.
00:36:38.320 But sometimes
00:36:40.240 that’s just so nice to hear.
00:36:44.480 >> Absolutely. you like to hear, you know,
00:36:46.480 we had a hearing and you won the motion.
00:36:49.119 And I love when it feels like the good
00:36:53.440 guy is winning because so often it feels
00:36:56.400 like, especially with where we’re at
00:37:00.640 politically
00:37:02.240 and all of the things that they talk
00:37:04.240 about with the Epstein list and oh,
00:37:07.040 they’re going to arrest this person or
00:37:09.599 they’re going to ar and you never see it
00:37:11.200 come to fruition,
00:37:12.160 >> right? You’re like, why does it seem
00:37:14.480 like we get our hopes up that I probably
00:37:17.440 because of movies, right? We see movies
00:37:20.720 and it’s like the villain starts
00:37:22.960 overcoming everything and then the good
00:37:24.960 guy wins in the end,
00:37:26.320 >> right?
00:37:26.800 >> You know, we’re we’re taught that the
00:37:28.640 good guy is going to win in the end,
00:37:30.480 >> right? Well, and and
00:37:31.520 >> and a lot of times that’s not the case.
00:37:33.040 A lot of times you’re you you’re as
00:37:35.359 Christians,
00:37:36.880 it may not be on this side of heaven.
00:37:39.359 It’s not until we get to heaven that the
00:37:41.920 good guy wins.
00:37:42.960 >> But we know that he does.
00:37:44.480 >> We know that Jesus won.
00:37:46.640 >> Jesus God won and Jesus died on the
00:37:49.760 cross for all of our sins. And it’s it’s
00:37:52.720 absolutely a gift. And that’s what we
00:37:55.119 can hold on to where other people if
00:37:57.359 they’re not holding on to that eternal
00:38:00.640 life, then that does even sting worse
00:38:03.839 when the good guy doesn’t win, right? In
00:38:05.920 one scenario or another,
00:38:07.280 >> right? And doesn’t that I know that I
00:38:09.520 have felt it in our law practice, but it
00:38:14.400 goes so far beyond that. Doesn’t it give
00:38:17.119 so much confidence? I know it personally
00:38:19.119 gives me a lot of confidence going into
00:38:21.200 like that hearing that you were just
00:38:22.800 mentioning that we just had the other
00:38:24.560 day.
00:38:24.960 >> Holy Spirit activate. Yeah. Holy Spirit
00:38:27.680 activate.
00:38:28.480 >> It gives me so much confidence that we
00:38:30.640 pray before those hearings, those types
00:38:33.359 of things. We pray over all of our cases
00:38:36.720 and we say, "God, you direct this. You
00:38:40.160 speak through us. You you provide us the
00:38:42.800 wisdom and the words that we need to
00:38:45.440 pursue this case. And we give it to you.
00:38:48.480 And whatever you decide uh is the
00:38:50.960 outcome, we know is the right outcome."
00:38:53.200 >> And we always say it’s it’s his will
00:38:56.560 that will be done, right?
00:38:57.920 >> I mean, we may have a case that we
00:38:59.359 think, "Oh, this is seven figures and
00:39:01.040 we’re going to get X, Y, and Z." But in
00:39:03.359 the end, we have to let go of our
00:39:05.520 expectations in the sense we will fight
00:39:07.839 for every last dollar. But in the end,
00:39:10.079 God knows what he wants for that family,
00:39:13.119 right?
00:39:13.440 >> He knows what he wants for that
00:39:15.040 individual. And sometimes
00:39:18.320 we can’t change that outcome. I think we
00:39:20.800 were called about a child that got in a
00:39:22.240 car accident and we couldn’t do any and
00:39:24.000 we’ve been called lots, but when we
00:39:25.839 can’t do anything because it’s their
00:39:27.200 fault, but it breaks your heart because
00:39:30.320 >> their parent so desperately
00:39:33.119 >> wants it not to be their fault.
00:39:34.960 >> And I think that brings us full circle
00:39:36.640 back to what we were talking about
00:39:38.079 before with the legal system about how
00:39:40.800 it being so gross and ugly and
00:39:43.760 manipulative at times. It’s when people
00:39:48.160 put their wants and desires above what
00:39:51.920 what his is for us.
00:39:53.599 >> Well, it’s hard not to sometimes, right?
00:39:55.599 >> Sure it is. Sure it is.
00:39:56.800 >> Like we feel like a lot of times life is
00:39:59.040 so heavy. I mean, how many times we just
00:40:01.599 went to this thing called Rock and
00:40:03.280 Worship Boot Camp and a lot of these
00:40:05.200 Christian artists talk about how they
00:40:08.720 didn’t want to be here. And I think a
00:40:10.320 lot of us have had a moment or two or
00:40:12.560 three times where we didn’t want to be
00:40:15.200 here anymore. We, you know, we just life
00:40:17.359 is too hard. And it’s it’s easy to kind
00:40:21.440 of get down on God,
00:40:24.640 especially for people that feel like
00:40:26.240 they’ve got one thing after the next and
00:40:28.560 they can’t get out of that hole. How
00:40:30.480 would you tell them to try and get out
00:40:34.000 of that? I was at times feeling very
00:40:37.359 very down during
00:40:41.119 that divorce.
00:40:42.160 >> Oh, you’d cry over the kids all the
00:40:44.800 time.
00:40:45.280 >> Yeah. Feel like you can’t ever get out
00:40:48.079 from under this. And I love the saying,
00:40:53.599 don’t make a permanent decision
00:40:57.280 over temporary circumstances.
00:40:59.680 >> Amen. Jack with one of his latest songs
00:41:02.400 that he just performed the other night
00:41:04.720 for the first time live, but we’ve heard
00:41:06.960 it a number of times in the house when
00:41:08.560 he’s writing it. It’s about seasons and
00:41:11.760 I love that song. I can’t wait for him
00:41:14.240 to really
00:41:14.960 >> watched our others. Jack’s our
00:41:16.240 19-year-old son.
00:41:17.200 >> Yeah. And he’s a musician. He’s he’s
00:41:18.960 just
00:41:19.920 >> a a great performer, great songwriter,
00:41:23.040 and he talks about seasons, and he’s so
00:41:25.599 beyond his years with the songs that he
00:41:27.440 writes.
00:41:27.680 >> Absolutely. It’s it’s definitely Holy
00:41:29.920 Spirit inspired.
00:41:30.960 >> Yeah. But he says just as sure as summer
00:41:34.560 turns to winter, the seasons change. The
00:41:37.839 situation in your life will change. And
00:41:40.400 it may not feel like it at that time.
00:41:43.839 And it’s hard to see past it, but it
00:41:47.760 will change. As much as we
00:41:50.880 like or people
00:41:53.680 like to handle their lives themselves
00:41:56.079 and say, you know what, I like my life
00:41:57.599 like this or I want to do it my way. I
00:42:00.560 think that we’re missing out on a life
00:42:02.720 that’s much greater if you could give
00:42:04.640 your life to Christ or follow Christ and
00:42:06.640 understand who he is.
00:42:08.160 >> Yeah. I I think that a lot of those
00:42:11.520 people, even though they say that,
00:42:14.960 they probably find themselves searching
00:42:17.760 for something else in life. They’re
00:42:20.079 finding themselves searching for the
00:42:23.280 next goal, overcoming the next obstacle,
00:42:26.560 winning the next thing, you know,
00:42:28.560 achieving the next position. They’re
00:42:31.119 always looking for something else. And
00:42:32.880 there’s nothing wrong with achieving
00:42:36.640 and and excelling and and trying to
00:42:39.040 excel, but you have to at some point ask
00:42:43.839 yourself, "What am I truly looking for?"
00:42:46.720 And what you’re looking for is a
00:42:49.119 connection with your maker.
00:42:50.640 >> Yeah. You want to plug in to the
00:42:53.520 ultimate energy source, which is God.
00:42:57.119 >> Yeah.
00:42:57.520 >> You know, the light of the world.
00:43:00.560 And that’s why so many times people feel
00:43:03.119 so dark. We were talking about it last
00:43:05.359 night with Gordon. Gordon’s a friend of
00:43:07.760 ours. He has a ministry called Hope and
00:43:10.240 Numbers where he teaches people how to
00:43:13.040 find their birthdays,
00:43:14.480 >> memorize
00:43:15.200 >> memorize verses, the Bible verses, their
00:43:17.440 through their birthdays and things like
00:43:18.880 that. We were talking about
00:43:21.760 Thursday night rap night and he was
00:43:23.920 talking to a woman at Peter Piper Pizza
00:43:26.240 about coming and this other guy came in
00:43:28.480 and said, "I’m a rapper. I’m a Christian
00:43:30.800 artist. And he said, "Oh, awesome. You
00:43:33.040 should come to our event center." And he
00:43:34.800 said, "Well, do you welcome
00:43:36.319 non-Christian people." And Gordon said,
00:43:39.680 "Well, why wouldn’t we? Absolutely."
00:43:42.079 >> And he said, "I how do you hang out with
00:43:44.319 those heathens?" And Gordon was just
00:43:47.040 shocked like
00:43:49.760 that’s our job. We we want to love on
00:43:52.880 people,
00:43:54.400 non-Christians especially, right?
00:43:56.480 Because you have yet to understand this
00:43:59.520 free gift that God gave you. And it
00:44:02.480 doesn’t matter what you’ve done, what
00:44:04.240 your past is. We have people that have
00:44:05.839 been in prison. We’ve drug addicts. You
00:44:09.280 deserve Christ’s love.
00:44:12.240 >> And they don’t understand that, right?
00:44:14.240 And I think that that’s where
00:44:18.560 this whole thing I would like to come to
00:44:22.240 a a point with everything that we talk
00:44:24.640 about in the end whether it’s
00:44:26.240 pmenopause,
00:44:27.760 pornography,
00:44:30.160 death,
00:44:31.200 >> right,
00:44:31.760 >> of Azie.
00:44:32.880 >> Not Izzy.
00:44:33.920 >> Not Izzy, but death of Azie. Where where
00:44:36.000 did he go?
00:44:36.880 >> Right.
00:44:37.280 >> Only God knows. Even Jack said that God
00:44:39.440 God, you know, in the end, God only
00:44:41.599 knows. So, I’m never going to tell you
00:44:44.560 where somebody is going to end up,
00:44:46.240 >> right?
00:44:46.640 >> That’s up to God. That’s not up to me.
00:44:49.040 >> But wouldn’t you like to have a life
00:44:51.119 filled with joy, knowing where you’re
00:44:53.680 going and knowing what God’s word says
00:44:56.880 for you and the hope that he gives you
00:44:59.920 with his word in the Bible. So, without
00:45:02.319 a doubt,
00:45:02.720 >> you can live a more fulfilled, fruitful
00:45:05.280 life. That’s that’s what we’re here for
00:45:07.680 is to show you we’re not perfect. You
00:45:09.680 know, a lot of people, we are
00:45:11.680 conservative, conservative Christians.
00:45:14.560 You know, I’ve been called Karen
00:45:16.720 multiple times. So, I am a white
00:45:18.960 middle-aged conservative woman, which I
00:45:21.760 know is not something favored by many
00:45:24.560 people in our country. And what’s funny
00:45:27.839 is I’m I I love everybody and I hope
00:45:32.880 everybody knows that
00:45:37.200 real Christians don’t judge you. We want
00:45:39.440 to love on you. We want better for you
00:45:42.000 if you’re feeling hurt. We want you to
00:45:43.760 know that you are loved by your maker.
00:45:46.480 And I’ve had so many people come up to
00:45:48.560 me after getting to know who we are that
00:45:50.480 are maybe not conservative, not our
00:45:53.680 rate, not my race, and said, "Wow,
00:45:55.920 you’ve been so loving to me. I didn’t
00:45:57.599 expect that. There’s not this
00:46:00.560 this attitude. There’s just total
00:46:05.200 acceptance and love where we sit side by
00:46:08.160 side with these people and help them and
00:46:10.160 love on them however they need. And I
00:46:13.359 think it’s unfortunate
00:46:15.839 how many lies circulate about
00:46:19.599 who we are. We were at a party this
00:46:21.200 Sunday and I was talking to another
00:46:23.280 Christian conservative woman and she
00:46:25.839 talked about her entire family and all
00:46:28.160 of them are not conservative Christians
00:46:30.400 and everyone lives their lives however
00:46:32.160 they feel
00:46:33.520 >> and they’re shocked when she says she
00:46:36.480 still she loves them and she respects
00:46:38.400 them. Whatever lifestyle they want to
00:46:40.240 live that’s not her to judge. And I
00:46:43.520 think that that’s been spun out really
00:46:46.800 to keep people away from listening to
00:46:50.240 others that love the Lord,
00:46:52.160 >> right?
00:46:52.480 >> Because they’re going to be told they’re
00:46:53.920 not going to accept you,
00:46:54.880 >> right?
00:46:55.440 >> Which is absolutely not true.
00:46:57.920 >> No. Absolutely.
00:46:58.560 >> I’m not saying all Christians are like
00:47:00.400 that. The the true Christian people that
00:47:03.200 are truly loving
00:47:04.240 >> should be, right? The way we live out
00:47:06.960 our lives and our faith is that some
00:47:11.680 non-Christians
00:47:13.760 have a view of Christians as that’s all
00:47:17.440 they ever talk about. That’s all they
00:47:18.800 ever say. If you get, you know, they’re
00:47:20.560 going to try and and jam it down your
00:47:22.560 throat, whatever.
00:47:24.880 And I love our approach that if you want
00:47:28.480 to talk about it, we’ll be happy to talk
00:47:30.560 with you about Jesus, about the Bible,
00:47:33.440 but we’re going to lead people there by
00:47:38.160 the example of what we do in our lives
00:47:40.240 first.
00:47:41.200 >> Absolutely. And that’s where
00:47:44.240 we hope to
00:47:47.119 show this through the podcast and show
00:47:49.440 our kindness and show how we interpret
00:47:54.319 everything that comes to us that’s messy
00:47:57.040 and hopefully you can they can relate to
00:47:59.599 and find some peace and relief through
00:48:03.040 Christ.
00:48:03.839 >> Right? They call our law firm with an
00:48:06.079 injury case. They’re not going to get a
00:48:07.760 sermon.
00:48:09.359 They want to talk about it. We will,
00:48:11.920 >> but absolutely
00:48:12.880 >> we have a job to do and we’re going to
00:48:14.800 handle it
00:48:15.760 >> through the lens of the way Jesus would
00:48:18.000 want us to handle it. And if it’s not
00:48:20.000 something that ever comes up in
00:48:21.520 conversation about their case, so be it.
00:48:24.640 >> Right.
00:48:25.520 >> But we hope to provide an example of of
00:48:28.160 who we are through Jesus.
00:48:30.319 >> Right. Well, thank you for joining us on
00:48:32.800 Cross-examine with the Gerbers. See you
00:48:34.720 next time. Bye.