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Faith, Firearms & Church Security with Jeff Smith | Cross Examined Ep. 11

00:00:00.080 Welcome to Cross-examine with the
00:00:01.439 Gerbers. I’m Ken Gerber and this is my
00:00:03.760 wife, Megan Gerber.
00:00:05.200 >> Hi.
00:00:09.360 >> At Crossex Examine, we like to bring our
00:00:11.280 faith, the law, our family, and our
00:00:13.840 ministry all together in one place.
00:00:15.440 We’ve got a special guest with us here
00:00:16.800 today. Megan, you want to introduce
00:00:17.920 them?
00:00:18.240 >> Yes. It is Jeff Smith. And Jeff has a
00:00:22.240 plethora of background with military,
00:00:25.840 guns, training, God. Tell everybody who
00:00:30.160 you are, Jeff.
00:00:31.359 >> Well, yeah, my name is Jeff Smith and I
00:00:33.200 really appreciate you having me here,
00:00:35.680 Ken and Megan. Uh, we’ve known each
00:00:37.520 other close to a year maybe now and um
00:00:40.800 I’ve done some some work with you guys.
00:00:43.040 I’ve really uh gotten to know you. I
00:00:45.200 really appreciate this. I think this is
00:00:46.800 a great opportunity. Unfortunately,
00:00:49.600 uh when events that have happened like
00:00:51.840 in the past couple of weeks, uh we we
00:00:55.600 talk about different awareness things
00:00:59.920 that need to be happening regardless if
00:01:03.120 uh uh you know, you’re somebody that
00:01:05.519 carries a gun or somebody that uh that
00:01:08.320 wants to be protecting yourself or
00:01:10.960 others or things like that. and and uh
00:01:13.360 so if you go all the way back you know
00:01:15.280 to my childhood I was a boy scout was
00:01:18.640 privileged enough to go to the world
00:01:20.479 jamboree in 1979 I was one of 64 boys in
00:01:23.840 the United States that was selected it
00:01:26.080 was a huge selection process uh but I
00:01:29.119 realized at that moment uh when I got
00:01:32.400 selected that I was actually a sheep dog
00:01:35.119 and people talk about being sheep dogs
00:01:37.520 sheep and wolves and sheep dogs and and
00:01:40.799 so I want to I want to talk a little bit
00:01:42.640 about that uh right off the top so you
00:01:45.280 can understand where at least where I’m
00:01:47.360 coming from when I talk about being a
00:01:49.360 sheep dog. And um sheep dog is not
00:01:52.640 necessarily
00:01:54.240 somebody that that is prepared to take
00:01:58.240 somebody else’s life through self-p
00:02:00.560 protection. A sheep dog is somebody that
00:02:02.399 is going to respond to a critical
00:02:04.640 incident, whether that’s making a phone
00:02:06.560 call, being first aid, you know,
00:02:09.440 controlling the the environment that’s
00:02:12.400 there or being in security. Now, as I
00:02:15.920 got trained um up through uh 12 years in
00:02:20.319 the military and and then going through
00:02:22.959 civilian training and and getting
00:02:25.360 involved with churches and church
00:02:27.360 security and and getting up to a point
00:02:30.239 where I’m actually, you know, the lead
00:02:32.319 instructor now for a couple of the
00:02:34.480 larger churches here in the Phoenix area
00:02:37.200 and um and so being a part of their
00:02:41.360 security and even their standard
00:02:44.239 operation operating procedures, you
00:02:45.680 know, how do does the team respond? What
00:02:49.040 is it looking for? Because churches need
00:02:51.680 to be open.
00:02:52.640 >> And those are some big churches. Are you
00:02:54.720 allowed to say who they are?
00:02:55.920 >> Uh, well, the biggest one, of course, is
00:02:57.519 CCV. I’ve I’ve done some work with
00:03:00.000 Trinity Church. I’ve done some Mark
00:03:02.319 Driscoll’s church and then and Dream
00:03:04.959 City Church. um and some other churches
00:03:08.560 that uh in the valley that have used my
00:03:12.720 consulting or used my training or or
00:03:15.680 something like that. So, I’m I’m very
00:03:18.159 honored to be a part of that and and um
00:03:21.440 always like to see that churches are
00:03:25.280 actually training.
00:03:27.280 >> And that’s probably where you met
00:03:30.239 Charlie and Erica Kirk was through Dream
00:03:32.480 City. So, I met them actually I got a
00:03:35.599 phone call from uh Dan Flood who is the
00:03:39.280 director of uh of his executive
00:03:41.760 production team and and he talked to me
00:03:44.000 and said that uh some of the team
00:03:45.760 members uh needed their CCW which
00:03:48.879 included Erica and um and so uh you know
00:03:52.799 I was honored that was uh that was kind
00:03:54.959 of a neat ask and yes it was Dream he
00:03:58.799 had reached out to Dream City. Dream
00:04:00.400 City said, "Hey, we’re using this Jeff
00:04:03.120 Smith. He seems to be a good guy." Gave
00:04:05.920 him the phone number and and he called
00:04:07.599 me. That’s how we got connected. And and
00:04:10.239 so uh so we set up some dates. We set up
00:04:14.239 some uh times that we could get together
00:04:16.880 and um and so uh Erica was there and um
00:04:22.160 got to do a one-on-one, if you will, uh
00:04:25.199 CCW for her. Charlie was traveling a
00:04:28.880 lot. Uh, and she was she was going to
00:04:32.160 start carrying a gun and and so she
00:04:34.479 wanted to know what the laws were and so
00:04:36.479 I was honored to do that for her.
00:04:39.440 >> And so when you say that you see
00:04:40.960 yourself as a sheep dog, that’s I’m
00:04:43.759 envisioning the the person who takes it
00:04:46.080 upon themselves to really protect and
00:04:48.800 secure other people.
00:04:50.800 >> So if you think about uh you know the
00:04:53.840 average person in the United States is
00:04:55.759 really a sheep. you know, they’re
00:04:58.160 they’re oblivious to their surroundings
00:05:00.560 and um and there are wolves amongst us
00:05:03.440 everywhere.
00:05:05.120 And uh so whether they’re
00:05:08.479 looking at their phone or just not aware
00:05:11.919 of what’s going on, the sheep dog should
00:05:13.840 be aware of what’s going on. The sheep
00:05:16.400 dog is constantly watching, constantly.
00:05:19.520 Um now, not for necessarily a threat,
00:05:22.400 but for hey, that doesn’t look right.
00:05:25.039 Right. We call those anomalies. And um
00:05:27.680 and so you you you see something.
00:05:31.600 Unfortunately, the the human race is the
00:05:34.560 most predictable animal on the planet,
00:05:37.520 but it’s also the most vicious animal on
00:05:39.680 the planet.
00:05:40.240 >> Sure. Most people uh don’t even know
00:05:44.320 they’re being watched or being uh looked
00:05:47.199 at. And and u they’re a criminal is not
00:05:51.199 looking for you. They’re looking for an
00:05:53.840 opportunity. So going to maybe the train
00:05:56.639 with Ireina, maybe if she would have
00:05:58.240 been off of her phone and had her back
00:06:00.320 to the window of the train, thinking
00:06:03.120 about her surroundings, do you think
00:06:04.720 that would have made?
00:06:05.919 >> So I think with uh with that I want to
00:06:07.840 go all the way back to when she stepped
00:06:09.840 on the train, right? Okay. And she takes
00:06:12.400 a look around who makes eye contact with
00:06:15.600 her. Um, she looks around and those she
00:06:19.039 immediately went to a seat and that seat
00:06:22.880 happened to be a
00:06:26.080 not a very safe place to be. Uh, because
00:06:30.160 it was open to her back. There was
00:06:31.840 nobody beside her. There was no good
00:06:33.520 exit point. Maybe it it was right a
00:06:36.560 couple of steps from the door, but it
00:06:38.479 was across the aisle, right? And there’s
00:06:40.560 somebody sitting behind her. That would
00:06:42.720 absolutely not be my first choice. Now,
00:06:44.720 if it was the only choice, I probably
00:06:46.240 would have stood up and uh stayed
00:06:48.639 standing and had my my head on a swivel.
00:06:52.400 >> So, what would you what what seat would
00:06:54.080 you have picked if you were her?
00:06:55.280 >> So, if you look uh in the in the video
00:06:57.919 that I saw, there were there were three
00:07:00.400 seats uh immediately on the same side as
00:07:03.840 the door that she entered on the train.
00:07:06.319 Uh the third seat was up against a wall
00:07:09.199 and it faced out to the aisle. uh that
00:07:12.240 would have been the seat that I would
00:07:13.440 have chose and uh reason being is
00:07:16.479 because of the really the proximity of
00:07:22.240 who else could be there could be around
00:07:24.400 me and I was looking out at everybody
00:07:27.440 else. I wouldn’t have been on my phone.
00:07:29.599 Um again, my head’s up, my eyes are
00:07:32.960 looking because you’ll see you’ll spot
00:07:35.840 anomalies. Even if you’re not trained,
00:07:38.080 you’ll go, "Why’ they do that?
00:07:41.759 H that does and a lot of us will call
00:07:45.520 those DLRs, you know, don’t look right.
00:07:48.880 >> Well, that just don’t look right.
00:07:51.199 >> And uh and so if you think that, you are
00:07:55.039 probably correct.
00:07:56.319 >> You got to follow your gut.
00:07:57.680 >> Yeah. And so, um there’s a book out
00:08:00.639 there. I’ll recommend it to everybody.
00:08:02.560 If you haven’t read it, you need to read
00:08:04.160 it. Uh and it’s called The Gift of Fear.
00:08:06.639 Even though the Bible says fear not, God
00:08:10.319 gave us the gift of fear. And what I
00:08:13.039 mean by that is he he Have you ever seen
00:08:16.319 a deer drink water at a lake or a pool
00:08:19.520 of water,
00:08:20.160 >> right?
00:08:20.560 >> And he hears a noise and he his neck
00:08:23.039 snaps back and he looks around at the
00:08:25.759 noise.
00:08:26.800 >> He’s not looking to see if that’s a
00:08:28.800 happy golucky mountain lion.
00:08:32.080 No,
00:08:33.360 >> he’s looking at Okay, there was a sound
00:08:35.679 over there. It’s coming from that
00:08:37.279 direction. My exit is that way. And he
00:08:40.080 doesn’t care if he offends the mountain
00:08:41.839 lion. He leaves. He’ll get water later.
00:08:46.000 Not us, not humans. No, no, no. We don’t
00:08:49.440 want to offend anybody. I’ll just wait
00:08:51.440 to see if it’s a guy that’s going to
00:08:53.040 hurt me.
00:08:54.800 And so, if your short hairs on the back
00:08:57.360 of your neck say something’s wrong, they
00:08:59.920 are wrong. And so what you’re advocating
00:09:03.120 for people in that situation and again
00:09:05.920 not trying to you know point any fingers
00:09:08.399 at her. It’s very very unfortunate
00:09:11.279 situation. It’s just horrible and it’s
00:09:13.279 really
00:09:14.000 >> infuriating that it happened the way
00:09:15.760 that it did. But you’re advocating for
00:09:18.399 people when they enter onto a train like
00:09:20.800 that or any situation like that.
00:09:23.440 >> Head up, not on your phone, look around,
00:09:25.920 survey the area and make some informed
00:09:29.040 decisions. Think about another situation
00:09:31.920 where you enter into an elevator.
00:09:35.920 >> Oh yeah. I I’ve been in elevators with
00:09:38.800 Skyla and Skyla goes, "Mom, hurry up.
00:09:40.560 Hit the button. Hit the button. If that
00:09:41.760 person comes in, let’s leave."
00:09:43.680 >> Yeah.
00:09:44.160 >> And you know, it is very scary because
00:09:49.279 they could hit the stop button or they
00:09:51.200 could hit something in that elevator and
00:09:54.640 you’re stuck with that person. If you
00:09:56.480 walk onto an elevator and somebody else
00:09:59.519 walks on, you should be evaluating that
00:10:02.080 person’s size.
00:10:03.440 >> Yeah.
00:10:03.920 >> Their age,
00:10:06.240 whether they’re may be on drugs or
00:10:08.640 influenced by something, not about
00:10:11.839 anything other than could they hurt me.
00:10:14.320 So Gavin Debecker interviewed people
00:10:17.279 that he could
00:10:19.440 um that were involved in critical
00:10:21.360 incidents for the gift of fear. He was
00:10:23.519 an FBI profiler and um and some of the
00:10:27.120 people he couldn’t interview.
00:10:31.920 >> What does that mean?
00:10:33.200 >> Cuz they were dead.
00:10:36.320 So
00:10:38.640 every single one of the people he could
00:10:40.640 interview said, "I knew something was
00:10:43.200 wrong and I did nothing about it."
00:10:45.920 >> Gotcha.
00:10:47.120 >> Interesting. Because, and this is not
00:10:50.160 exactly about this, but when I was
00:10:51.839 joining the Navy, I actually had my
00:10:55.040 recruiter sexually harass me. He asked
00:10:58.240 me to go back into a room cuz he said,
00:11:01.760 "You need to go and get your medical
00:11:04.320 testing." And he was in his 40s. And I
00:11:06.560 thought, "Oh, he has a he’s like my dad,
00:11:08.480 you know, my dad was chief of police. He
00:11:10.160 has on a uniform. He’s to be trusted."
00:11:13.279 And we went back there and he goes, "You
00:11:15.040 need to take off your pants so I can
00:11:16.959 measure you." And I felt like something
00:11:19.519 was wrong. And so he got on his knees
00:11:21.839 and he took his measuring tape. I’m 19
00:11:23.600 years old. And he measured me. And he
00:11:26.160 then started rubbing my thigh and asked
00:11:28.399 me if I’d ever dated an older man. And I
00:11:31.760 thought at that moment, I knew this felt
00:11:34.079 weird. We’re in a room with with
00:11:36.640 vacuums.
00:11:38.399 I’m This is wrong. And I bent down,
00:11:41.279 pulled up my pants, and I went to the
00:11:43.120 door and it was locked.
00:11:45.440 >> And I let myself out and he actually got
00:11:48.800 court marshaled. Like what you’re saying
00:11:51.279 is it felt weird that he goes, "I need
00:11:53.279 to measure you first. We need to go back
00:11:54.959 into this room. We need to shut the
00:11:56.880 door. I see all the cleaning supplies,
00:11:59.760 but I’m 19 and I’m This is this guy
00:12:02.320 that’s around my dad’s age and I’m
00:12:04.720 trusting him." And I think that’s
00:12:06.959 >> But the anomalies started to add up.
00:12:09.440 Yes, it did. But sometimes that could
00:12:11.360 have been too late.
00:12:12.560 >> Absolutely. A lot of times we suppress
00:12:14.880 the gift of fear that God has given us
00:12:17.440 as human beings. We’ve we’ve kind of
00:12:19.839 suppress that. And so um this book will
00:12:23.200 allow you to um start using that gift
00:12:26.880 again that anomalies appear and we tend
00:12:31.200 to push them aside. So I highly
00:12:33.839 recommend this book. It’s one of the
00:12:35.360 books that I train um different uh
00:12:39.120 different classes on. I give little
00:12:41.120 pieces of information on that and and so
00:12:44.560 I don’t expect everybody to carry a gun.
00:12:46.720 Matter of fact, probably it’s a good
00:12:48.240 idea that not everybody carries a gun.
00:12:50.560 Uh but everybody should have some type
00:12:53.279 of training in awareness and not
00:12:55.839 everybody is a sheep dog. But you have
00:12:58.079 to know how you’re going to react when
00:13:00.399 adrenaline and dopamine are dumped into
00:13:03.040 your system. My dad used to say, "If
00:13:04.720 you’re going to carry a gun, be ready to
00:13:06.880 use it if you have to use it." That’s
00:13:08.560 that’s the hardest part is people will
00:13:10.720 take it possibly and use it on you if
00:13:12.560 you’re not ready.
00:13:13.120 >> Yeah. I love people that come into my
00:13:14.560 classes and and say, "Uh, you know,
00:13:17.279 well, if somebody broke into my house, I
00:13:18.959 would do this and this and this." And I
00:13:20.639 I look right them right then and there
00:13:22.880 and I look them and I say, "Because
00:13:25.839 you’ve done that before."
00:13:27.279 >> Right. Well, that’s exactly right. And
00:13:29.200 I’ve thought about this so many times. I
00:13:31.360 think people really underestimate the
00:13:34.320 influence of adrenaline on them in in an
00:13:37.360 unknown situation. They’re not going to
00:13:39.360 react the way they think they’re going
00:13:40.560 to.
00:13:40.800 >> Don’t you have a a story from somebody?
00:13:42.560 They all shot the bushes or something.
00:13:45.279 >> Yeah, I was a I was a prosecutor with
00:13:47.360 with a guy who was former military and
00:13:50.079 he was he was much older. He was
00:13:52.079 actually in the jungles in in Southeast
00:13:55.680 Asia. and he talks about his platoon on
00:13:59.920 patrol through the jungle and at night
00:14:02.480 and they meet up with the opposing force
00:14:05.600 and they just all started firing at each
00:14:08.000 other and in the morning there was not a
00:14:11.279 single person that was dead but all the
00:14:13.360 foliage of all the trees were completely
00:14:15.360 gone because guys were just just waving
00:14:18.320 their guns around. They were so scared
00:14:20.160 that nobody was I guess probably
00:14:22.399 following their training or really
00:14:23.920 focused under this the fear and the
00:14:25.680 adrenaline. Mhm. Yeah. And and darkness
00:14:29.600 will play a lot of tricks on you. And so
00:14:33.440 and then you have to think about not
00:14:36.160 only the dopamine and adrenaline that’s
00:14:38.240 dumped into your system, but what have
00:14:39.760 you put into your system? Caffeine,
00:14:42.399 nicotine,
00:14:43.440 >> oh,
00:14:43.920 >> cocaine, whatever it is, right? So, we
00:14:47.440 put these stimuluses into our body and
00:14:51.680 regardless of what that is, I’m not
00:14:53.360 judging anybody, but then something
00:14:56.240 happens that that
00:14:59.360 presents itself as a critical incident.
00:15:01.680 And that could be anything, right? A car
00:15:04.639 wreck,
00:15:06.320 somebody knocking on the door at 3:00 in
00:15:08.800 the morning,
00:15:09.279 >> and you’ve been drinking yourself to
00:15:10.720 sleep, and now you’re drunk answering
00:15:12.399 the door, and something bad is going to
00:15:14.639 happen, possibly. Yeah. So, and we’ve
00:15:18.000 never
00:15:19.600 most people don’t train to that level,
00:15:22.560 right? So, why do people come to
00:15:24.959 training?
00:15:25.680 >> They want to carry a gun. They want to
00:15:28.160 feel safe. They want to protect
00:15:29.839 themselves and their family.
00:15:31.120 >> I would think that when I have come to
00:15:33.360 training, it’s so that I can protect my
00:15:35.600 family, myself, if there’s some a bad
00:15:38.240 guy.
00:15:39.440 >> Okay. So, I would argue that you come to
00:15:42.320 training for stress inoculation. Please
00:15:45.120 explain. So you want to be able to make
00:15:48.720 decisions under stress.
00:15:51.199 >> That’s why you should be going to it.
00:15:53.040 >> Yeah. So we focus on the fundamentals in
00:15:55.440 my class. So once you’ve mastered the
00:15:57.759 fundamentals,
00:15:59.360 now I just add a little bit of stress.
00:16:02.079 And the next time you come, we’ve
00:16:04.560 practiced the fundamentals and we add a
00:16:06.639 little more stress. And we add a little
00:16:08.720 more stress. and we add a little more
00:16:10.480 stress so that you can make decisions
00:16:14.160 under a stressful situation because
00:16:17.040 maybe it’s not a gun.
00:16:19.920 >> Maybe it’s a hatchet.
00:16:21.360 >> Maybe it’s a communication.
00:16:23.040 >> Oh,
00:16:23.839 >> right. Have you ever called 911 and
00:16:27.120 what’s the operator say to you?
00:16:29.120 >> What’s your emergency?
00:16:30.880 >> What’s the first question?
00:16:32.160 >> What’s your name? Who’s your daddy?
00:16:34.320 >> Where are you?
00:16:35.920 >> Right. All right. And how many people
00:16:38.480 go? I I’m at home.
00:16:40.079 >> Where is that?
00:16:40.880 >> Right. That that doesn’t help me. I’m
00:16:42.560 buy the church.
00:16:43.040 >> Well, that’s great.
00:16:45.040 Could you tell me what the address is?
00:16:46.959 Yeah.
00:16:47.360 >> Okay. Where is your emergency? That’s
00:16:49.519 the first question. Because if they
00:16:51.360 don’t have that information, guess what?
00:16:54.240 >> Don’t they have a tracker?
00:16:56.079 >> Yeah. Technology is great, huh?
00:16:58.639 >> I mean,
00:16:59.040 >> they want to know where you’re at,
00:17:00.560 right? If it’s a landline or or if it’s
00:17:02.959 a cell phone that you’ve got that turned
00:17:04.640 off, they want to know where you are.
00:17:06.880 and naming that though. How you know
00:17:08.959 what? We have these perfect phone
00:17:11.599 cameras, but yet whenever there’s
00:17:13.919 somebody that they’re trying to look
00:17:15.039 for, it’s the fuzziest security camera.
00:17:18.640 It’s like they’re you can see the moon,
00:17:20.799 but yet they’re going to give you this
00:17:22.319 like we’re looking for this person and
00:17:24.079 it’s like great. I see like dots of eyes
00:17:27.520 and like what?
00:17:28.880 >> And they’re wearing a black shirt and a
00:17:30.480 black hat.
00:17:31.120 >> Yes. What is up with that? Like can’t
00:17:34.400 they do better? I mean, like, are we in
00:17:36.880 the 1970s with these cameras?
00:17:40.080 >> Well, it’s amazing that security cameras
00:17:42.480 have been up probably now close to 30,
00:17:45.840 40 years, and some of those cameras have
00:17:47.840 not been changed out. Security is very
00:17:50.559 expensive. Um, physical security is even
00:17:53.679 more expensive. So, uh, having cameras
00:17:57.280 that have 4K or 1080,
00:18:01.600 >> unless somebody’s truly into that, uh,
00:18:04.559 business, uh, we have that at our house
00:18:07.679 because of being an FFL and an SOT, uh,
00:18:11.600 I want to be able to just hand over a
00:18:13.679 disc to the police officer and say,
00:18:15.280 "Right,
00:18:15.679 >> there you go."
00:18:16.400 >> Right.
00:18:17.679 >> Right. That’s not my job. It’s their
00:18:19.520 job.
00:18:20.160 >> Right. Now, I just have a question for
00:18:22.400 you if we can go back and we were
00:18:25.440 talking beforehand about the who’s, the
00:18:27.840 why’s, the whats, and you said something
00:18:29.760 really amazing about, you know, I think
00:18:33.280 that as a conservative and someone that
00:18:36.640 supports Trump. I think that we have,
00:18:40.080 I’m talking about the conservative
00:18:41.600 group, have gone into such a deep dive
00:18:44.320 into everything up until this point. You
00:18:46.400 know, this is fake, the fake news, the
00:18:48.000 fake this. We’re so used to going in and
00:18:50.720 trying to analyze things to see where
00:18:52.640 we’re being lied to. And I had asked you
00:18:55.600 some questions about the shooting of
00:18:58.400 Charlie Kirk and all that and you said,
00:19:00.480 you know, we should focus really on not
00:19:03.520 who but God. And can you explain more
00:19:07.280 about that?
00:19:07.840 >> Absolutely. That was a tragic event and
00:19:10.480 I I I truly
00:19:15.280 after meeting Charlie and meeting Erica
00:19:18.080 and knowing his team, I know that that’s
00:19:20.240 just it’s unbelievable
00:19:22.480 >> because people are blaming his team at
00:19:24.320 this point.
00:19:25.520 >> Sure, they’re going to u blame anything
00:19:29.520 but the but the true
00:19:32.960 facts. And um uh now an ambush is really
00:19:37.600 hard
00:19:39.280 to stop or
00:19:42.160 uh to counter. Okay. Um maybe we could
00:19:47.120 have done some things to stop that, but
00:19:50.320 if that was truly God’s will, then maybe
00:19:54.160 it happens
00:19:56.160 somewhere else in a tragic car accident
00:19:59.360 or or something. And we we go, why? why
00:20:04.160 we’ll spend time and energy on on that
00:20:07.840 and not spend time in God’s word or with
00:20:12.400 people that we truly love and cherish.
00:20:17.280 And I think that a tragic event like
00:20:20.559 this brings people together closer and
00:20:23.919 it should bring our movement closer
00:20:26.160 together. Uh I read an article where
00:20:28.799 Charlie had 1.7 million followers.
00:20:32.240 um the day that uh that incident
00:20:35.039 happened and he has over 11 million
00:20:37.120 today.
00:20:37.919 >> Wow.
00:20:38.799 >> Okay. That’s pretty amazing.
00:20:41.919 >> That is
00:20:42.720 >> Yeah. And I think we were also hearing
00:20:44.640 that church attendance this past weekend
00:20:48.159 >> was increased expectation.
00:20:50.080 >> I couldn’t get a parking spot.
00:20:53.520 I had to drive home and walk to church.
00:20:56.640 >> But it but you’re right. It was
00:20:58.000 important. I think we were all going and
00:21:01.200 looking for wise words and help in
00:21:05.360 dealing with this situation and dealing
00:21:07.360 with the grief from it because it hit
00:21:09.200 home for a lot of people. So, getting
00:21:12.400 prepared for this when you reached out
00:21:14.000 to me and asked me to be on this
00:21:15.440 podcast, I I I was honored. I was truly
00:21:18.720 honored. I mean that. and and uh and so
00:21:21.039 but I wanted to be prepared and and I so
00:21:24.320 I looked up you know how many times is
00:21:26.159 fear not in the Bible and unfortunately
00:21:28.799 we’ve got you know hundreds of Bibles
00:21:30.640 that uh editions of of rendering so um
00:21:34.720 somewhere between 300 and 365 and when
00:21:38.240 that number popped up I was like huh one
00:21:40.480 per day right I learned early on I can’t
00:21:43.919 remember who told me this but I want to
00:21:46.240 say I was probably
00:21:49.840 16 or 17. I hadn’t graduated high school
00:21:52.720 yet. I knew that. But somebody told me
00:21:55.039 that if fear knocks on the door,
00:22:00.000 if you answer it with faith, you will
00:22:02.799 find nobody.
00:22:05.280 >> And I was like, what? And he said,
00:22:08.159 because fear and faith cannot exist in
00:22:11.760 the same place at the same time.
00:22:14.240 >> So going with that, and I love that. I
00:22:16.799 was talking to Jack our son today and I
00:22:19.360 said at what point do you go out and say
00:22:23.760 I am not fearful. So for Charlie maybe
00:22:26.960 he didn’t have you know certain security
00:22:30.159 measures because he just trusted God and
00:22:33.280 God is you know the will of God. So
00:22:36.000 where would you say as an instructor and
00:22:38.480 who trains on things like this
00:22:41.039 situations? Where do you say
00:22:45.039 I need to do more because God isn’t
00:22:47.200 going to protect me? Where is that
00:22:49.200 balance? Because if God is going to
00:22:51.120 protect you then you think I don’t need
00:22:54.480 more. I’m just going to go out and if if
00:22:56.240 today’s my day then today’s my day.
00:22:58.640 >> So I’m not saying that uh God is going
00:23:02.320 to protect you. I I’m not saying that. I
00:23:04.799 mean it’s evident right if we look
00:23:07.600 through history at u and and I will say
00:23:11.840 I think this is a good point to say that
00:23:14.480 um you know you look at all the people
00:23:17.120 that said we should live in together in
00:23:19.840 harmony have been shot or killed in some
00:23:22.240 way. That’s kind of
00:23:24.400 >> interesting.
00:23:25.360 >> That’s an anomaly.
00:23:26.400 >> Yeah, it’s telling. And so and and there
00:23:29.200 are some people out there that say eye
00:23:30.880 for an eye and tooth for a tooth and and
00:23:33.600 live by the sword, die by the sword. Um
00:23:36.720 and we look at the full armor of God,
00:23:39.440 right? And what is the sword in the full
00:23:41.440 armor of God?
00:23:42.400 >> The sword is the word
00:23:43.520 >> is the word of God. Yeah.
00:23:44.880 >> Right. Why? The tongue is the sharpest
00:23:47.440 thing.
00:23:47.919 >> Right.
00:23:48.640 >> Right. Because it can love or it can
00:23:53.840 >> hurt. Right.
00:23:55.200 >> Right.
00:23:55.440 >> Okay. And so if I put on the full armor
00:23:58.640 of God, I need to know the word because
00:24:01.440 who knows it better than I do? The
00:24:03.760 devil.
00:24:04.159 >> The devil does.
00:24:04.880 >> Oh, he knows it better than everybody
00:24:06.880 else.
00:24:07.280 >> Absolutely. And he tried to use it
00:24:08.960 against Jesus.
00:24:10.159 >> Oh, yeah.
00:24:11.120 >> You know, if you look at him being
00:24:12.960 tested,
00:24:14.320 >> right? And and uh and he taught in
00:24:17.200 parables. I think that’s awesome. I
00:24:18.799 think we’ve gotten away from that. But
00:24:20.480 uh you know, every time I u every time I
00:24:23.279 go through the Bible, I’m I’m like, "Oh,
00:24:25.760 that’s why they call it the Living
00:24:27.039 Bible, right? Because that I get another
00:24:29.440 nugget out of it." I’ve read that
00:24:31.120 passage before, but I I get a different
00:24:33.840 nugget out of it. And and I think that’s
00:24:35.760 kind of neat. And that’s to me why it’s
00:24:38.000 a living Bible.
00:24:38.960 >> Yeah. It’s almost like it’s not you’re
00:24:40.480 not ready for that until you’re ready
00:24:41.840 for it, right?
00:24:42.799 >> And then you’re like, "Oh, this is what
00:24:44.240 this means."
00:24:44.720 >> The teacher will appear when the student
00:24:46.799 is ready.
00:24:48.799 Yes. Right. So, pretty cool about that.
00:24:51.279 I like that. Um, the first time I read
00:24:53.520 through the Bible, I was in the
00:24:55.600 military. Um, and I go, "Wow, there’s a
00:24:59.279 lot of war in the Bible."
00:25:03.200 So, that’s really odd. Well, the second
00:25:06.159 time I went through it, I’m like, "Wow,
00:25:09.840 there’s a lot of killing in the Bible.
00:25:11.919 >> It is brutal."
00:25:13.600 And I’m like, "Wow, this is kind of,"
00:25:15.840 you know, so I actually got that
00:25:18.240 perspective um the third uh and and
00:25:22.080 probably even the fourth time I was got
00:25:24.400 through that and I was like, "Wow, this
00:25:26.799 is this is really different than I
00:25:29.679 thought it was." And I think we need as
00:25:33.919 a society, you know, I look at Charlie
00:25:37.039 Kirk, especially now, unfortunately that
00:25:40.559 he’s gone, but I look at he was a civil
00:25:43.679 rights leader, right? I mean, he talked
00:25:45.840 about freedom of speech. He he gave
00:25:48.799 everybody a platform
00:25:51.200 to talk about anything they wanted. And
00:25:54.960 he wasn’t telling them to be MAGA. He
00:25:57.760 wasn’t telling them to be right-wing. He
00:25:59.919 wasn’t telling them to be a Republican.
00:26:02.320 He was saying what the Bible said about
00:26:06.080 the issue. And and I think that we try
00:26:08.960 to tell what our opinion is on different
00:26:11.360 subject matters. Well, I really don’t
00:26:13.200 care what your opinion is. I want to
00:26:15.600 know how to deal with that. And this
00:26:17.840 book talks about how to deal with
00:26:20.080 different situations. And I I think
00:26:23.520 personally that we’ve gotten away from
00:26:25.360 that.
00:26:25.760 >> Well, I think it all became with the PC
00:26:27.520 movement. Politically correct. You can’t
00:26:29.360 say that. You can’t do that. You might
00:26:31.360 hurt somebody’s feelings. And you know,
00:26:33.919 I saw one time I heard Charlie say,
00:26:36.240 "Would you lie to someone you love?" And
00:26:38.880 this person had said, you know, they
00:26:41.039 were talking about them being
00:26:42.080 transgender or what was a woman? And he
00:26:44.400 said, you know, would you lie just to
00:26:47.840 make someone happy?
00:26:49.279 >> I think every parent in the United
00:26:50.880 States loves to lies to their child by
00:26:53.679 telling them that they’re Santa Claus.
00:26:57.360 >> No, that’s true. That is true.
00:26:59.279 >> I think to your point in our country it
00:27:01.120 feels like we have elevated feelings and
00:27:05.200 emotions above reason and law and order
00:27:10.640 and
00:27:12.240 >> you know cold hard facts and analysis.
00:27:15.200 Well, people will say, "Well, your Bible
00:27:17.679 says because I’m gay, if I am doing
00:27:20.080 that, that’s a sin and I may go to
00:27:22.159 hell." And obviously, I’m not God or I’m
00:27:26.720 I murdered someone. Or they want to c
00:27:29.520 they want to label things in the Bible
00:27:32.400 and then say, "Your Bible says I’m a bad
00:27:35.200 person." And at that moment, you’re
00:27:37.520 supposed to go, "Well, no, no, no. What
00:27:39.679 you’re doing is okay. It’s it’s okay."
00:27:42.159 That’s what that’s what being
00:27:43.679 politically correct means. Where that’s
00:27:47.440 why when Charlie would say, "I love you
00:27:50.159 enough to tell you if we’re talking in
00:27:52.720 the Bible," what you’re what you’re
00:27:54.880 saying is is not correct.
00:27:56.799 >> Well, it’s then they call him names and
00:27:59.279 saying he’s a bigot, he’s a this and a
00:28:01.120 that, whatever they call.
00:28:02.159 >> It’s difficult when society is based off
00:28:05.440 of a sliding scale of what’s right and
00:28:08.880 wrong. And when you look to the Bible,
00:28:10.960 when you look to the word of God, it’s
00:28:13.120 an objective set of what’s right and
00:28:16.320 wrong. And and that’s what you really
00:28:18.960 need to base things off of. You can’t
00:28:20.640 just have this sliding scale. Well, you
00:28:22.640 know, it feels right today, so it it
00:28:25.039 should be right.
00:28:25.919 >> How many people have asked you, I wish
00:28:27.760 there was an owner’s manual. Well, there
00:28:29.360 is.
00:28:29.600 >> There is.
00:28:30.240 >> Yeah, it’s right here. Yeah.
00:28:31.760 >> So, let’s get back to the other uh thing
00:28:33.919 is, uh, please show me in the
00:28:35.840 Constitution where you have a right not
00:28:37.440 to be offended. There isn’t one.
00:28:39.520 >> No,
00:28:40.480 >> I know.
00:28:41.200 >> And if you know me long enough,
00:28:43.360 >> I’m going to offend you.
00:28:44.720 >> Yeah.
00:28:46.000 >> The exact opposite. The first amendment
00:28:48.000 allows us the right to offend people.
00:28:50.159 >> Yeah.
00:28:50.640 >> And and you have to realize that’s their
00:28:54.399 right to offend you. It’s your right to
00:28:56.320 offend them. Words are only words.
00:28:59.840 >> Yeah. Sticks and stones may break my
00:29:01.760 bones.
00:29:02.159 >> Yes. Thank you.
00:29:03.120 >> Words will never hurt me. Right. And um
00:29:06.320 and so I I think that we’ve gotten to a
00:29:09.600 point in society where herds words do
00:29:12.159 hurt us and words do offend us and words
00:29:15.039 do, you know, we’re I can’t I can’t talk
00:29:18.159 to you because, you know, you’re you’re
00:29:20.399 spewing hate. No, no, I’m sorry. I’m not
00:29:24.640 spewing hate. I’m spewing the truth.
00:29:28.799 Truth might be painful, right? But it is
00:29:32.159 the truth. And so you can deal with that
00:29:36.480 or you can
00:29:38.720 um now we don’t want violence, right? I
00:29:41.440 mean this person
00:29:41.919 >> you can agree to disagree
00:29:43.279 >> this person. Yeah. Where was the the
00:29:46.480 place is that and my wife do and I do
00:29:50.480 this all the time. Well, we’ll just
00:29:51.760 agree to disagree, right? Um but we
00:29:54.640 still live together. We still love each
00:29:56.480 other. We still, you know, that that is
00:29:58.880 still a relationship that is uh uh
00:30:03.120 growing and um and we have three people
00:30:05.840 in our relationship, right? We have to
00:30:07.600 have God. God has to be in that
00:30:10.000 relationship. If it’s not uh we could
00:30:12.960 end up separated and uh but but God is
00:30:17.039 truly in the foundation of our
00:30:19.360 relationship. And and so um you know we
00:30:23.200 we tend to separate uh when we have a
00:30:27.200 disagreement and we’ll both go look into
00:30:29.279 the Bible and we’ll come back together
00:30:31.760 and say well this is what I found
00:30:34.080 >> right advice.
00:30:35.200 >> You know what I find so hypocritical
00:30:37.919 with
00:30:39.840 people calling
00:30:42.159 the right or conservatives or even
00:30:44.000 moderates fascists. But yet here Charlie
00:30:47.360 died and they called him a fascist. But
00:30:50.159 yet they unalived him. You have to say
00:30:53.520 that for Tik Tok.
00:30:55.840 They they assassinated him and calling
00:31:00.960 him the fascist.
00:31:02.720 >> Yeah. So I uh it’s funny you bring up
00:31:06.080 that word.
00:31:08.320 I’ve asked a couple of people what what
00:31:11.039 is a fascist? What what what do you
00:31:13.440 believe that is? And they’re like,
00:31:15.279 "Well, it’s it’s whoever the person is,
00:31:17.919 right? Trump or this or Yeah.
00:31:20.000 >> I’m like, "No, no, no, no. What’s the
00:31:22.399 definition
00:31:24.000 of the word? What does it mean?"
00:31:26.880 >> And and I said, "Let’s not even go into
00:31:29.440 the dictionary. Let’s what does it mean
00:31:31.600 to you?"
00:31:33.039 >> Because that’s the most important thing,
00:31:34.720 right? What does it mean to you? And a
00:31:37.120 lot of times, unfortunately,
00:31:41.120 the media spins us up and they start
00:31:43.200 using these words that they don’t even
00:31:44.799 know what they mean. Well, he’s a
00:31:46.640 fascist. Well,
00:31:47.919 >> what is that?
00:31:48.640 >> What is that? What does that mean?
00:31:52.480 And when you truly meet them with the
00:31:55.679 meaning, they go, "Oh, well, that’s
00:31:58.159 that’s not what he does."
00:31:59.360 >> Well, if you get if you get somebody
00:32:01.039 that will rationally listen to you,
00:32:03.600 >> most of them. Yeah.
00:32:04.960 >> Most of the time they won’t. There’s so
00:32:06.399 many people that’ll say, you know, even
00:32:08.000 right now, you know, Trump’s a racist.
00:32:10.000 You know, they would ask Charlie,
00:32:10.880 "Trump’s a racist." Okay, name one thing
00:32:12.480 he did that was racist.
00:32:13.760 >> Yeah.
00:32:14.080 >> Well, I can’t tell you. I just know.
00:32:15.679 Well, how do you know? I don’t know. I
00:32:17.519 just know because
00:32:18.480 >> he’s a criminal.
00:32:20.559 >> Criminal crime. What was his crime?
00:32:23.120 >> Right.
00:32:24.320 >> Well, he went he went to jail. Or
00:32:28.000 when
00:32:28.799 >> Right.
00:32:30.000 >> When did he go to jail?
00:32:31.279 >> Right. Well, and the other thing that we
00:32:33.840 heard just recently was so good and it
00:32:36.559 was the the fascist comment that, you
00:32:39.919 know, that’s somebody killing their
00:32:41.919 political opposition. Who’s doing that?
00:32:45.039 Uh, but the other thing is all of the uh
00:32:50.000 gun control advocates
00:32:52.720 on the left, but yet they’re cheering
00:32:55.200 when somebody from the left uses a gun
00:32:58.080 to kill their opposition.
00:32:59.600 >> Yeah. So you saw all the riots this past
00:33:03.360 week, right?
00:33:04.000 >> Oh yeah. All the buildings the buildings
00:33:06.399 burning down and the cars being flipped
00:33:08.720 over,
00:33:09.200 >> right? No, that was
00:33:11.600 >> prior administration.
00:33:14.240 >> Yeah. So it’s kind of odd that u you
00:33:17.919 know they don’t see that. Do we still
00:33:20.240 know anything about the kid that tried
00:33:22.640 to assassinate Trump?
00:33:24.559 >> Nope.
00:33:25.039 >> Nothing.
00:33:25.519 >> H that’s weird,
00:33:27.519 >> right?
00:33:27.919 >> Yeah. And but we know a lot about this
00:33:30.640 guy,
00:33:31.440 >> right?
00:33:31.919 >> Just a couple of days after what has
00:33:34.880 happened here. Uh so I I think again I
00:33:38.559 don’t want to focus on the who or I
00:33:41.679 think I want to get back to the Bible
00:33:43.519 and say, "Hey, how do I how do I deal
00:33:47.600 with this? How do I help people process
00:33:50.320 this?"
00:33:50.799 >> Well, let me ask you here’s here’s
00:33:52.240 something that I wanted to know from you
00:33:53.519 because we’ve talked before in the in
00:33:55.360 the time that we’ve known each other. I
00:33:56.799 know that you’ve been through combat.
00:33:59.279 You’ve seen a lot of things. And this
00:34:03.120 this
00:34:05.440 death of Charlie Kirk was very public,
00:34:09.918 very graphic, and for most of us, that’s
00:34:14.239 not something that
00:34:16.800 we’re used to seeing, we’ve ever seen,
00:34:18.560 or or really should see.
00:34:20.000 >> Well, they don’t even usually put it on
00:34:21.520 TikTok or social media. They don’t allow
00:34:23.760 it normally. Well, I mean, there was
00:34:26.159 3,000 people there that were live
00:34:28.000 streaming. It’s hard to control that,
00:34:31.440 but it certainly is controlled now,
00:34:33.280 right? The the platforms have taken most
00:34:35.679 of those down. Even the links that I
00:34:38.079 saved are down. And so, um,
00:34:42.239 >> but at this point, we can’t unring the
00:34:44.079 bell. A lot of us see that. So my
00:34:46.879 question to you is
00:34:49.280 how should we
00:34:52.079 deal with what we’ve seen?
00:34:55.520 How do we how do we handle the emotion
00:34:58.480 and the tragedy of actually seeing that
00:35:01.599 happen to somebody?
00:35:02.320 >> Well, I think the number one thing we
00:35:03.599 need to do is be in prayer and that we
00:35:06.640 uh we lay it down at the father’s feet.
00:35:08.880 And um and I process it a little bit
00:35:13.200 differently. Um, I’ve been trained been
00:35:16.160 involved in in situations like that and
00:35:19.760 and it’s unfortunate but uh you know if
00:35:22.640 you especially in battle or in combat or
00:35:26.560 uh in some type of conflict you’re you
00:35:30.960 have something to complete and so that
00:35:34.160 you cannot stop what you’re doing and
00:35:38.240 and
00:35:40.320 deal with that. So you have to keep
00:35:42.160 going, right? you’ll deal with it at
00:35:43.760 another time. Uh can I am going to the
00:35:47.200 funeral. I think that’s going to be help
00:35:49.200 me grieve, help me uh get to um the
00:35:54.000 acceptance part of this, right? I have
00:35:56.640 to accept what happened. Um and uh not
00:36:00.960 ball up anger. Uh I think um we as uh as
00:36:06.960 a Christian society need to accept that
00:36:10.400 that and Erica said it so well if you
00:36:13.200 watched her speech right
00:36:15.119 >> God is good. Uh I you know from a woman
00:36:18.880 that just lost her husband, her father
00:36:22.000 of her two children, the love of her
00:36:24.640 life
00:36:26.960 to say that God is good. Um I think
00:36:31.760 should help us all say how strong she is
00:36:34.960 and how now
00:36:37.680 it doesn’t mean that she’s not
00:36:39.040 determined. And um and so uh I pray for
00:36:43.280 the Kirk family. I pray for the
00:36:46.160 organization. I pray for the people that
00:36:49.200 were in the audience that saw that were
00:36:51.119 that were not prepared to see something
00:36:54.000 like that ever.
00:36:56.079 >> Right.
00:36:56.480 >> And and you do know that people are
00:36:58.079 saying that the audience was AI and this
00:37:00.160 didn’t really happen.
00:37:02.320 Would you say to those people knowing
00:37:05.280 personally people involved that is
00:37:08.000 absolutely not true? I I would say that
00:37:10.880 I I mean I don’t have any to the
00:37:13.680 contrary of that.
00:37:14.640 >> Yeah. I just would like to put that out
00:37:15.839 there because there’s some people out
00:37:16.960 there that are saying the audience are
00:37:18.720 is AI. He never this never happened. So
00:37:22.240 I just like to kind of debunk that.
00:37:23.920 >> Well, they’re probably in some form of
00:37:25.920 denial.
00:37:26.800 >> Okay.
00:37:27.680 >> Um I I would say get in the Bible.
00:37:30.960 >> Yeah, those people are probably not in
00:37:33.440 the Bible, but maybe they
00:37:34.720 >> And that’s unfortunate. I mean, we live
00:37:36.480 in a society I I work with a lot of
00:37:38.880 police officers and and um unfortunately
00:37:42.079 they have to deal in the reality that
00:37:45.040 the person is in.
00:37:46.320 >> Yeah.
00:37:46.720 >> And that’s scary.
00:37:49.280 That’s I I I I didn’t quite understand
00:37:52.240 that, but uh through some training that
00:37:55.359 I’ve taken personally
00:37:57.599 um especially for uh mental health um
00:38:02.160 that uh our society is having to deal
00:38:04.960 with. Unfortunately, that happened back
00:38:07.280 in the 80s where we said it’s not um
00:38:11.119 humane to keep people in insane asylums.
00:38:14.800 Uh so, oh, let’s leave them out on the
00:38:17.599 street,
00:38:18.079 >> right? I think it’s
00:38:19.839 >> a better place.
00:38:20.880 >> I think it’s humane. I had a guy I was
00:38:23.119 in Tinley Park, Illinois, and there was
00:38:24.480 a mental institution. This was back in
00:38:26.400 1978 or maybe it was 79, but I was
00:38:30.160 getting a tab drink from the
00:38:32.240 refrigerator and there was a front door,
00:38:35.119 side door. We lived on a trile. My mom
00:38:38.079 and my brother were downstairs. My
00:38:39.280 sister was upstairs. We were going to
00:38:40.400 take a bath together. We were little.
00:38:42.880 And so I drink the tab. And you remember
00:38:45.839 those vacuums where it’s like the vacuum
00:38:48.560 like is like a pod and then there’s a
00:38:50.480 stick and there’s like a vacuum.
00:38:52.320 >> Oh yeah.
00:38:53.040 >> So it was one of those
00:38:54.640 >> and canister vacuum.
00:38:56.079 >> What was it? A canister vacuum. And so I
00:38:59.440 go into the hall and the living room was
00:39:04.480 right there and it was dark and it used
00:39:06.480 to always scare me. So I took two jump
00:39:09.520 two steps on our olive green carpeting
00:39:12.400 back in the shag.
00:39:13.760 >> Yes. I love her.
00:39:16.079 >> And I turn around and there’s a guy
00:39:19.520 there.
00:39:20.400 >> Nice.
00:39:20.800 >> He had a Michael Jackson jacket on. He
00:39:23.359 goes and grabs my foot as I’m running up
00:39:26.400 the stairs. My dad was chief of police
00:39:28.240 at Richmond Park at the time. I go
00:39:30.480 running down the hall. I go lock myself
00:39:33.760 in our bathroom and I start screaming
00:39:35.920 down the vent in our floor that there
00:39:38.400 was somebody in our house. And I’m like,
00:39:40.400 "Help! Help! There’s somebody in the
00:39:42.240 house. There’s somebody in the house."
00:39:44.079 My brother eventually comes upstairs and
00:39:45.760 he’s like, "What are you yelling about?"
00:39:47.359 So, I go running downstairs. Come to
00:39:49.359 find out, my description was one of the
00:39:52.160 mentally ill patients they let go on a
00:39:54.480 walk that night and he went into our
00:39:56.560 house and grabbed my foot. I don’t know
00:39:58.640 what else happened, but that messed me
00:40:01.280 up for a while.
00:40:02.640 >> I can only imagine.
00:40:04.320 >> Yeah.
00:40:05.119 >> I I think that we’ve had as a society,
00:40:08.320 we’ve all had to learn to to deal with
00:40:11.760 this in some form or fashion. Maybe you
00:40:14.320 have something like this in your family.
00:40:16.400 Maybe you have something, but uh uh
00:40:20.000 maybe in your neighborhood or something
00:40:21.599 like that. I’ve come into contact with
00:40:23.760 people of different variants of of the
00:40:27.920 uh mental illness. Uh we have lots more
00:40:30.800 people on the spectrum, if you will.
00:40:33.119 Yeah. Um and and so you have to be able
00:40:37.599 to recognize it for one and then okay
00:40:41.839 have a plan now to deal with that. Early
00:40:45.359 on officers would tell somebody drop the
00:40:48.240 weapon, drop the weapon, drop the
00:40:49.599 weapon. Couple different things going on
00:40:51.359 there. One, they’re in a cognitive loop.
00:40:53.280 If they don’t do it by the second time,
00:40:55.200 stop talking.
00:40:56.880 >> Right.
00:40:57.359 >> Right. So if you tell somebody back up,
00:40:59.359 back up, back up, you’re in a cognitive
00:41:01.760 loop. If
00:41:02.880 >> you’re the one that’s stuck.
00:41:04.319 >> Yes.
00:41:05.200 >> Okay.
00:41:05.920 >> Okay. So, um you need to understand that
00:41:11.040 they’re not understanding the words that
00:41:12.960 are coming out of your mouth. I’ll use
00:41:14.560 that as a movement.
00:41:15.359 >> Oh, I understand.
00:41:16.400 >> Right.
00:41:16.880 >> So, you you change tactics, you do
00:41:18.640 something else.
00:41:19.040 >> You got to change something else. Right.
00:41:21.200 And so, not necessarily words, but
00:41:24.160 action. Right. So, whoa, whoa, time out.
00:41:28.240 Right. So, I can say the words. I can
00:41:30.160 say the this is an international sign to
00:41:32.319 what?
00:41:33.119 >> Stop.
00:41:34.400 >> Okay. Right. Everybody knows that,
00:41:36.319 >> right?
00:41:36.800 >> Right. What’s this?
00:41:38.400 >> Time out.
00:41:39.280 >> International sign. Time out. Right.
00:41:41.920 >> Oh, time out.
00:41:44.240 >> Yep.
00:41:45.040 >> I want to have a conversation with you,
00:41:47.680 but I’m not going to have it at this
00:41:49.280 level.
00:41:49.839 >> Right.
00:41:50.480 >> You got to come down here.
00:41:53.520 Right. And the whole time you could be
00:41:55.440 backing up, giving space because space
00:41:58.800 gives me time and time gives me options.
00:42:02.400 >> Options.
00:42:02.880 >> And in a situation like that, I want as
00:42:05.440 many options as I can have. Again, I may
00:42:08.319 or may not have a gun. Right. And I’m
00:42:10.640 talking about other people, not me
00:42:12.160 personally.
00:42:12.800 >> Right.
00:42:14.400 >> Now, we have a couple more minutes left.
00:42:16.640 On that last couple minutes, do you
00:42:18.720 think it’s the start of a revival?
00:42:21.599 >> Oh, absolutely. I mean, yes, absolutely.
00:42:24.720 I And I’m I’m so thrilled. Uh I think
00:42:28.560 lots of questions. Uh I was just talking
00:42:30.960 to a young man um today, as a matter of
00:42:33.760 fact, and and um you know, he says, "I
00:42:36.960 see you have a Bible on your desk. Uh
00:42:39.680 would you mind asking answering a couple
00:42:41.839 questions for me?" And I’m like,
00:42:43.599 "Absolutely."
00:42:44.640 >> Nice.
00:42:45.280 >> I think we need to be in the Bible. I
00:42:47.200 think we need to know the word. It’s
00:42:49.119 really important. And I think we need to
00:42:50.480 put on the full armor of God. Again, I
00:42:53.440 will tell you, I’m not asking you to
00:42:55.920 carry a gun. I’m asking you to get some
00:42:58.079 training so that you are aware of your
00:43:01.599 surroundings. That will stop 99%
00:43:06.160 of the issues that you may run into. If
00:43:09.760 you’re walking up to your house and
00:43:11.599 somebody is following you, that’s
00:43:13.280 probably not a good place to be. I’m
00:43:16.480 just saying. So Jeff, if they wanted to
00:43:18.400 come to you for training, can you tell
00:43:20.000 everyone how they can find you? And we
00:43:21.760 will add some links to the podcast.
00:43:24.240 >> Yeah. So my company is Arizona Firearms
00:43:26.240 Instructors. I actually focus on people
00:43:29.280 becoming instructors. What that means is
00:43:31.839 I think everybody should be instructor.
00:43:34.000 I don’t think everybody should teach.
00:43:36.319 But if you’re going to train with a gun,
00:43:39.599 wouldn’t it be nice to know
00:43:42.400 what is happening with your
00:43:45.040 fundamentals? So, as an instructor, you
00:43:47.839 have the information so that you can
00:43:50.880 make the changes you need to on your own
00:43:54.240 uh because you’ve been through an
00:43:55.440 instructor class.
00:43:56.720 >> So, anybody that hasn’t even used a gun
00:43:58.640 can come and see.
00:43:59.839 >> Absolutely. I do what’s called a a
00:44:01.760 basics of pistol shooting course and
00:44:04.160 that starts with the five fundamentals
00:44:06.480 and um and then I don’t get you into an
00:44:09.040 advanced class after that. I actually uh
00:44:11.599 have a skills and drills that I
00:44:13.599 recommend that you come to and start
00:44:16.319 learning and and recognizing the
00:44:19.920 fundamentals.
00:44:20.880 >> Have you ever trained anybody who’s a
00:44:22.400 better shot than you?
00:44:25.040 >> Not yet.
00:44:27.200 >> Last thing. Is there a favorite verse
00:44:28.640 you’d like to leave us with?
00:44:30.560 >> I have a lot of I I read every day. Um,
00:44:34.240 but yes, John 3:16 is probably got by
00:44:38.160 far that was the first one I memorized.
00:44:41.119 Uh, it was the first one that somebody
00:44:43.119 got me into the into the book and and um
00:44:46.480 and and I said, "If that is true, if
00:44:50.480 just that if that’s true,
00:44:54.000 >> everything else is gravy."
00:44:55.599 >> Yeah.
00:44:56.160 >> Thank you for joining us on
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