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Does Alex Pretti’s Family Have A RIGHT To Sue? Why so many gun shots from ICE?

00:00:00.080 So, welcome back to the injury report.
00:00:02.159 We’re still talking about the ICE
00:00:04.720 shooting in Minnesota. And with all of
00:00:07.359 this that’s going on, we have for you
00:00:09.519 today something that nobody else is
00:00:11.440 talking about. And once you know this
00:00:13.679 fact, it kind of changes your
00:00:15.200 perspective of the shots fired. And
00:00:17.520 we’re joined today by Jeff Smith,
00:00:19.840 firearms expert.
00:00:21.199 >> Hey, how are you doing?
00:00:22.320 >> Good. Good. Looking
00:00:23.199 >> forward to today.
00:00:24.240 >> Yeah, me too. I said it’s it’s fortunate
00:00:26.000 and unfortunate that we keep having to
00:00:27.359 have you on for shootings [laughter] in
00:00:28.640 America.
00:00:30.000 Yeah, it’s uh but I think we need to be
00:00:33.840 coming from you know the same kind of
00:00:36.000 foundation or or platform if you will um
00:00:39.600 so that we can have an honest debate
00:00:41.600 about that and and it’s unfortunate that
00:00:44.239 you know if you if you start from two
00:00:46.879 different levels uh you’re never going
00:00:49.840 to come to some type of debate
00:00:52.239 agreement. And so I’d like to look at at
00:00:56.320 well really what what is
00:00:59.760 the platform or the base we should be
00:01:02.239 coming from.
00:01:03.920 >> So
00:01:04.400 >> before we get into that though Jeff I
00:01:06.560 wanted to ask you because we were
00:01:08.080 talking you Megan and I and you told us
00:01:11.200 some information that honestly we hadn’t
00:01:13.119 heard before and it really kind of
00:01:14.960 opened our eyes as far as perspective
00:01:18.240 about this shooting when it comes to the
00:01:20.159 shots fired by that officer.
00:01:21.840 >> But we’ll hold back on that. Don’t you
00:01:23.200 think? Don’t you want them wondering?
00:01:25.150 [laughter]
00:01:26.000 >> So, let me give you a little bit more
00:01:27.759 background on me. I know I’ve introduced
00:01:29.600 myself a couple of times here on the
00:01:31.360 podcast, but I won’t, you know, I uh uh
00:01:34.079 although I was, you know, grew up with
00:01:36.320 guns, my dad was a avid hunter, things
00:01:38.640 like that. So, uh got into the boy
00:01:40.799 scouts, got into the military, um really
00:01:44.320 uh got proficient with firearms and um
00:01:47.920 and took a CCW class when I first got
00:01:51.360 here to Arizona. And I thought that
00:01:53.520 there’s it it’s it’s got to be better
00:01:55.280 than this. And um and so I started
00:01:58.240 becoming a student of the law. And
00:02:01.040 although I am not an attorney, uh I am
00:02:03.920 not a law enforcement officer. I am not
00:02:06.719 uh at any of that level. I just started
00:02:10.080 studying the law and what does it really
00:02:12.239 mean? Uh we can read the law and some of
00:02:15.440 us go okay and um I don’t know what that
00:02:19.120 really means but okay. And then you have
00:02:21.520 to come from a perspective of you have
00:02:25.440 boundaries in the law, but the criminal
00:02:27.599 doesn’t. So, how do I h how do I make
00:02:31.280 that work?
00:02:32.160 >> And you’re an instructor. Yes.
00:02:34.879 >> For firearms instructors. So, you
00:02:37.360 instruct the instructors.
00:02:38.640 >> Yeah. So, I I have rose to a level now
00:02:41.519 that I’m actually uh teaching
00:02:43.920 instructors, people how to be
00:02:45.440 instructors. And I am of the belief that
00:02:48.800 everybody needs to be an instructor, not
00:02:51.360 everybody needs to teach. And what I
00:02:53.599 mean by that is if you go to the range
00:02:56.480 and you’re just poking holes in
00:02:58.239 cardboard,
00:03:00.959 how do you improve, right? You got to
00:03:03.519 have some coach, you got to have some
00:03:05.920 instructor, you got to have somebody
00:03:07.680 that’s that’s mentoring you to get
00:03:10.720 better.
00:03:12.400 Now, if you become an instructor, at
00:03:14.159 least you have the foundation of what
00:03:16.319 the fundamentals are and and realize if
00:03:19.200 you’re doing something incorrectly or uh
00:03:22.560 that can be improved. I also think that
00:03:25.440 you need to have a coach. If you want to
00:03:27.360 get proficient at something, you have to
00:03:29.040 have a coach. Look at Olympic athletes.
00:03:32.799 Um, they have a coach. They have a
00:03:34.319 personal coach. Look at football
00:03:35.599 players. Look at NBA players. Look at
00:03:37.760 baseball players. They have
00:03:39.120 >> Singers have voice coaches.
00:03:40.480 >> That’s absolutely right. anything that
00:03:42.480 you do and you want to be proficient at
00:03:44.159 it, you got to have a coach. So, uh, I
00:03:46.560 wanted to be that. I wanted to to get to
00:03:48.959 that level. And, and to get to that
00:03:51.120 level, guess what? I had to have
00:03:53.599 coaches, right? So, and a lot of those
00:03:56.080 coaches told me, "You need to go to this
00:03:57.920 school and you need to go to this
00:03:59.120 school." So, let me just give you a
00:04:00.959 couple of schools that I’ve gone to.
00:04:02.640 I’ve gone to Six-Hour Academy. Uh, I’ve
00:04:05.439 become a master pistol instructor. I’ve
00:04:07.519 become a pistol-mounted optics
00:04:09.280 instructor. uh and an armor for the uh
00:04:13.120 striker fire uh style gun which is a
00:04:15.439 P320. I’ve gone to a class here in
00:04:18.560 Phoenix, Arizona called force science.
00:04:21.120 Um that is a class that is really the
00:04:25.120 science behind sports. Now, I took the
00:04:28.880 part that law enforcement takes uh the
00:04:32.080 the uh science behind the sport of
00:04:34.880 shooting and I found out some statistics
00:04:39.199 that are unbelievable. Like, do we see
00:04:42.080 in real time?
00:04:44.080 >> That’s it. Exactly.
00:04:44.880 >> That’s what he was talking about last
00:04:46.160 night. I’m like, wait, I just have a
00:04:48.240 question. Why would these cops when
00:04:50.639 they’re shooting shoot multiple times?
00:04:53.520 like why not just shoot once and then
00:04:55.919 that’s it and then check it out.
00:04:57.759 >> Yes. And you gave me this really
00:04:59.680 scientific ex like reasoning and I was
00:05:02.400 mind blown. So do you want to tell
00:05:04.160 everyone that?
00:05:05.040 >> So I think I think let’s Yes. I want to
00:05:08.000 leave that for a little bit later in the
00:05:10.080 conversation when it’s pertinent to
00:05:13.199 >> we also have to look at, you know, law
00:05:15.680 enforcement has to follow the law,
00:05:18.400 >> right? And so they have to know that
00:05:21.360 they’re inside the boundaries,
00:05:23.280 >> right?
00:05:23.680 >> And we have to also know as a as a
00:05:26.479 citizenry
00:05:28.000 that not everybody plays inside the law.
00:05:32.160 And so there’s three people in the state
00:05:34.639 of Arizona that can talk about the law.
00:05:37.120 So, a jurist, um, somebody that is an
00:05:40.400 attorney, uh, can talk about the law.
00:05:44.240 A, a sworn peace officer in the state of
00:05:47.199 Arizona can talk about the law. And, I’m
00:05:49.120 talking about inside a CCW class. And
00:05:52.320 also, so the third person that can talk
00:05:54.960 about the law is an NRA pistol
00:05:57.759 instructor who has been licensed in the
00:06:01.120 state for the armed guard
00:06:05.039 instructor position. So that is a
00:06:07.600 position that you can go up through the
00:06:09.680 pistol ranks and then apply through the
00:06:11.680 state of Arizona
00:06:14.160 and become an armed guard instructor.
00:06:16.639 And so you now have a license from the
00:06:20.080 state that says you know know and
00:06:22.080 understand use of force. And we have two
00:06:26.319 uh here in the state of Arizona we have
00:06:28.080 use of physical force and use of deadly
00:06:30.240 physical force. And so those fall under
00:06:32.880 uh title 13 404 and 405. Those are the
00:06:36.319 definitions of those two. And but I
00:06:39.280 think we should back up a little bit and
00:06:41.199 really look at the constitution. Uh
00:06:43.440 mainly the first and second amendment.
00:06:45.840 Okay. And just have a base. Uh if you
00:06:48.720 think that is uh a good
00:06:50.240 >> I think that’s a great idea.
00:06:51.360 >> Good idea to start from
00:06:52.880 >> because everyone always throws that out.
00:06:54.240 What about the second amendment? What
00:06:55.680 about the first amendment? That’s that’s
00:06:57.199 the arguing going back and forth with
00:06:58.960 everything right now.
00:07:00.080 >> So I want to start with let let’s just
00:07:02.960 read what it says, right? So the first
00:07:05.280 amendment and I have some notes here. So
00:07:07.680 uh congress shall make no law respecting
00:07:10.479 an establishment of religion
00:07:13.360 prohibiting the free exercise thereof or
00:07:17.039 abridging the freedom of speech
00:07:20.080 or of the press or the right of the
00:07:23.840 people to peacefully assemble. I think I
00:07:26.880 think we miss a word in there every once
00:07:28.720 in a while. the right of the people to
00:07:32.240 peacefully assemble and the petition the
00:07:35.440 government for regressive grievance
00:07:38.080 grievance. Uh so let’s let’s start there
00:07:41.360 that that’s what it says and you have to
00:07:43.520 remember that the bill of rights was
00:07:45.440 really a restriction on the government.
00:07:48.400 >> Totally totally was
00:07:50.800 >> was not a restriction on the citizens.
00:07:53.520 It was a restriction on the government.
00:07:55.520 >> Okay. Can you guys explain that a little
00:07:56.960 more to this girl who doesn’t understand
00:07:58.479 what you mean?
00:07:59.039 >> Yeah. So it says Congress shall make no
00:08:03.360 law.
00:08:05.199 So you can’t make a law that says, "Hey,
00:08:08.000 you can’t peacefully assemble."
00:08:10.560 >> Oh, okay.
00:08:12.479 >> You have a right. Now, now we have to
00:08:15.440 talk about
00:08:16.479 >> Yeah, hang on. Because that doesn’t mean
00:08:19.360 that you just have an automatic right to
00:08:22.400 show up. Because peaceful assemblies,
00:08:25.520 the law allows for the government to
00:08:27.599 kind of tailor when that’s allowed.
00:08:29.520 You’ve got to get a permit.
00:08:30.879 >> Yes.
00:08:31.919 >> Really?
00:08:32.399 >> You got to have a permit.
00:08:33.599 >> So, do these people have permits out in
00:08:35.120 Minnesota?
00:08:35.440 >> Of course not. Of course not.
00:08:36.799 >> So, that right here is illegal then.
00:08:38.799 >> If you’re going to have a parade, you
00:08:40.000 got to get a permit. If you’re going to
00:08:41.360 have a protest, you got to get a permit.
00:08:43.200 But who’s ever so like what people would
00:08:44.959 say is
00:08:46.640 let’s say conservatives are in the
00:08:48.480 house. When would they ever give a
00:08:50.480 permit? Is that a judge or how does that
00:08:52.480 work?
00:08:53.760 >> There’s a process online that you can go
00:08:55.839 right to the state government and apply
00:08:57.760 for that. Well, um so
00:09:01.360 a lot of times you’ll see videos and
00:09:03.120 say, "Well, we have a permit to be
00:09:04.720 here."
00:09:05.760 >> Yes.
00:09:06.320 >> Okay. So that that’s what they’re
00:09:08.640 talking about.
00:09:09.200 >> And if you meet the requirements for the
00:09:11.040 permit, they can’t deny it. Yeah. And
00:09:13.200 again, this the state government is not
00:09:15.600 they don’t want to deny you that. They
00:09:17.600 just want to say, "Okay, you’re going to
00:09:19.920 be here from this time to this time.
00:09:22.240 This is what you’re, you know, you have
00:09:23.920 a location to be in. Uh, and don’t don’t
00:09:27.120 go beyond that."
00:09:28.000 >> So, what people don’t understand, these
00:09:29.760 people being out there without these
00:09:31.920 permits are already breaking the law.
00:09:34.560 >> Okay. So, and we’re going to talk about
00:09:36.720 we’re gonna we’re gonna write go down
00:09:38.959 this timeline, see what’s
00:09:40.640 >> what’s going on. But I I first we got to
00:09:42.800 start here. Yeah. Okay. So So the first
00:09:45.200 amendment is pretty clear. So let’s talk
00:09:47.120 about peaceful assembly.
00:09:49.360 >> There you go.
00:09:50.399 >> Okay. So peaceful [laughter]
00:09:52.000 assembly uh is defined as without
00:09:55.279 disturbance.
00:09:56.720 >> Oh of anybody.
00:09:58.800 >> Yeah.
00:09:59.279 >> Oh
00:10:00.480 >> quietly.
00:10:03.519 >> They probably they probably let them
00:10:04.640 blow their whistles or throwing ice
00:10:07.360 balls.
00:10:08.000 >> Throwing ice balls I would say is a no.
00:10:09.600 This next one is really good. Without
00:10:12.560 agitation,
00:10:14.240 right?
00:10:17.040 Without interruption
00:10:20.720 of service. So, cars going up and down
00:10:23.600 the street,
00:10:25.680 restaurants,
00:10:27.360 businesses without interruption. Okay.
00:10:30.720 And the last one is without war.
00:10:33.680 >> Right.
00:10:34.800 >> Okay. So, that’s really what peacefully
00:10:38.800 it is. say. So if it’s if it’s any of
00:10:41.519 those, it’s that’s not peaceful.
00:10:43.519 >> And if it’s without the permit, then
00:10:46.320 it’s not abiding by that.
00:10:47.760 >> Then it’s not following the law.
00:10:49.440 >> Well, I think people watch movies and
00:10:50.800 they romanticize this stuff and they’re
00:10:52.320 like, "We’re going to go out there and
00:10:53.519 we’re not going to let THEM DO THIS."
00:10:54.880 AND
00:10:56.399 LA, RIGHT? Like they act like that, but
00:10:58.959 but there the cops going, "Okay,
00:11:01.120 illegal, illegal, illegal, illegal,
00:11:03.279 illegal." And then they’re like, "They
00:11:04.399 did nothing wrong." But this is the
00:11:07.680 United States Constitution,
00:11:10.079 >> right? And if they don’t like it, they
00:11:11.519 need to change.
00:11:12.079 >> The state has a constitution.
00:11:14.000 >> Of course they do.
00:11:14.720 >> Oh yes, they do.
00:11:17.279 The state has a constitution as well. So
00:11:19.600 we also have to look at that, right? So
00:11:22.320 So this is what the United States said,
00:11:24.399 the Bill of Rights. And we got to talk
00:11:26.000 about what really is a right. Okay?
00:11:28.959 Because we don’t want it to turn into a
00:11:31.120 privilege. And um um a while back I and
00:11:35.279 I can’t remember exactly how long ago,
00:11:37.680 but I read a story from Patrick Henry.
00:11:40.399 >> Um do you remember Patrick what he’s
00:11:42.560 famous for?
00:11:43.120 >> Yes.
00:11:43.519 >> Right. Give me
00:11:44.800 >> give me liberty or give me
00:11:46.000 >> give me death. Right. Okay. Well, what
00:11:48.160 led to that though? What led to that
00:11:49.920 speech was that as a young Christian
00:11:52.959 attorney and how often do you hear about
00:11:55.760 that? Right. He rode into Co Pepper,
00:11:58.800 Virginia and then a town square where
00:12:01.200 three pastors being whipped and
00:12:03.519 scouraged like Jesus Christ. Okay. And
00:12:06.639 he turned to a man standing there
00:12:08.639 watching this and he said, "For what has
00:12:11.120 this man done that causing him to be
00:12:15.360 whipped?"
00:12:16.880 And the man looked up and he said, "He
00:12:18.959 failed to take a license to preach."
00:12:23.680 Whoa. Whoa. Wait a minute. We have a
00:12:26.399 right to preach. So they turned what was
00:12:30.560 a right into a privilege by make causing
00:12:33.200 a license. Right.
00:12:38.000 How about hunting?
00:12:39.200 >> Yeah.
00:12:39.920 >> How about fishing?
00:12:41.200 >> And and and this gets kind of parallel
00:12:44.320 to the the permits for protesting and
00:12:49.120 assembling and that type of thing. Just
00:12:51.200 because it’s a right does not mean that
00:12:53.279 the government has no ability and no
00:12:55.600 right to control and curtail it. And and
00:12:58.880 if you think about the assemblies, the
00:13:01.519 the protests, the government has to know
00:13:04.560 about it because they have to know how
00:13:06.000 to deploy
00:13:08.560 protection law enforcement to protect
00:13:10.480 the protesters and to protect the
00:13:12.720 citizenry. And you mentioned keeping uh
00:13:15.519 all of the the the the traffic open and
00:13:18.720 all of the the systems available for the
00:13:21.360 rest of the you can’t have a situation
00:13:23.519 where it gets out of hand and it puts
00:13:25.600 people at risk. So they’re not just
00:13:27.600 looking at controlling the the mob and
00:13:30.399 the protesters. They’re look at looking
00:13:32.639 at protecting them and protecting the
00:13:34.880 citizens.
00:13:35.760 >> Right. Yeah. So so so we got that. We
00:13:39.200 got the First Amendment and then a lot
00:13:41.200 of people said this week about uh well
00:13:44.000 he had a right he had a a CCW a permit
00:13:47.440 uh for concealed weapons carry.
00:13:49.360 >> Alex.
00:13:50.560 >> Yes. Well,
00:13:52.320 >> anybody that’s carrying a gun at a
00:13:53.920 protest, right? Uh I’ve carried guns at
00:13:56.560 protest, right? Okay. Um, I don’t go to
00:13:59.839 very many, uh, but, uh, but I have I
00:14:02.800 have been known to go to a couple and
00:14:04.959 just, uh, hear I I really want to hear
00:14:07.920 what the debate is and what the what
00:14:10.240 what their concerns are. I think that’s
00:14:12.160 important for us as citizens to be
00:14:14.560 involved in in the debate. Okay. So, the
00:14:18.320 second amendment, pretty simple.
00:14:20.880 >> Let’s hear it. You know, so if we if we
00:14:23.839 think about the um what the Second
00:14:27.360 Amendment was about and uh Oh, I
00:14:30.639 apologize. What? Where did I I must have
00:14:33.760 turned this over somewhere cuz I now
00:14:35.600 I’ve lost it. Um the Second Amendment
00:14:38.720 says that you have the uh the people
00:14:40.560 have a right to keep and bear arms. And
00:14:43.360 it also talks about a militia. Now,
00:14:45.680 there’s been argument about what that
00:14:47.760 was all about, but if you go back
00:14:49.440 through the history, the origin of where
00:14:53.120 the founders really took the information
00:14:56.079 to write the second amendment and they
00:14:58.000 couldn’t they they argued about if it
00:15:00.800 should be the first amendment and it
00:15:03.199 went back and forth, right? And so when
00:15:04.959 it was ratified uh in 1771,
00:15:09.440 I think it was, um it became the second
00:15:12.160 amendment. Okay? And again, it was in
00:15:14.560 the bill of rights, right? Those first
00:15:16.079 10 are in our bill of rights, right? And
00:15:18.720 so, uh, then the states had to to work
00:15:22.320 on their constitutions, right? So, um,
00:15:25.120 but it came from the English origins
00:15:28.000 developed in the late 16th century. I
00:15:30.480 don’t know if many people know about
00:15:32.000 that, but the Queen Elizabeth I
00:15:35.199 instituted a national militia uh because
00:15:38.160 she wanted every citizen to be able to
00:15:40.399 have a gun in case they an attacking of
00:15:44.320 force, right? And we hear stories or at
00:15:46.800 least I did when I was a kid in school
00:15:49.920 uh where, you know, China was afraid to
00:15:52.800 invade the United States because behind
00:15:55.759 every blade of grass was a citizen with
00:15:58.560 a gun. Now whether that was true or not,
00:16:01.839 >> it was enough to make them fearful.
00:16:03.600 >> It was enough for them to to stay at
00:16:06.079 bay.
00:16:06.639 >> Correct.
00:16:07.040 >> And so um you know that that’s kind of a
00:16:10.079 I think that was a good thing. Well,
00:16:11.680 they took that the founders took that
00:16:13.360 and said, "Hey, we need that here in the
00:16:15.440 United States." And that’s what the
00:16:16.959 clock the the the actual uh part about
00:16:20.399 the militia is all about. Okay. Is a
00:16:23.360 well regulated. What does regulated
00:16:26.160 mean? Well, if we look at the
00:16:27.839 definition, regulated meant it that they
00:16:29.920 were supplied.
00:16:31.839 Okay? Meant that they were trained,
00:16:34.399 meant that they uh they had a gun. Okay?
00:16:38.160 Now, I if you don’t believe in guns or
00:16:40.959 don’t want to have a gun or or that’s
00:16:42.959 not your lifestyle, I don’t want you to
00:16:44.720 have a gun, but I don’t want you to
00:16:46.399 impede my right to have a gun. Okay? And
00:16:49.920 and so that’s u really the second
00:16:52.560 amendment was again the congress shall
00:16:55.199 make no law.
00:16:58.959 >> Yeah. Just like the first.
00:17:00.800 >> Yeah.
00:17:01.120 >> Yeah. And then to add to the context of
00:17:04.799 that militia
00:17:07.119 at that time, obviously the the
00:17:10.000 foundings of our country, there were
00:17:12.959 regular troops and then there was the
00:17:15.199 militia which was supplemental troops to
00:17:18.079 the regular troops. So that was the
00:17:19.599 citizens that came and fought in
00:17:21.839 supplement and alongside of our troops.
00:17:24.319 It wasn’t in opposition to our troops.
00:17:27.039 >> Sure. Like the National Guard. Yeah.
00:17:29.280 >> Okay. But it could be against tyranny as
00:17:32.640 well.
00:17:33.200 >> Sure.
00:17:33.760 >> Because it was made up of the citizens
00:17:36.640 of uh the United States. So a well-
00:17:38.640 reggulated militia being necessary to
00:17:41.520 security of a free state.
00:17:45.440 Okay. Pretty good. Regulated,
00:17:47.360 >> right?
00:17:48.400 >> Okay. All right. So we talk about that.
00:17:51.200 So that’s the second amendment. Um and
00:17:54.640 it and then they put the word shall not
00:17:56.880 be infringed. Right. And a lot of people
00:17:59.280 have arguments about that that any law
00:18:01.360 against the Second Amendment is an
00:18:03.360 infringement, right? Is it not?
00:18:05.200 >> Uh and so u
00:18:08.880 we’ll allow the Supreme Court to decide
00:18:11.120 on that. We’re not going to decide that
00:18:12.960 here today.
00:18:13.840 >> Now Meg, you’re really our our kind of
00:18:16.240 social media liaison here with as as
00:18:19.440 active as you are on it. And and
00:18:21.919 typically what we hear is we hear the
00:18:24.799 conservative side more pushing this
00:18:27.520 right to bear arms, a second amendment.
00:18:29.679 And now are you hearing the flip side
00:18:31.520 with this Alex in Minnesota on the on
00:18:34.000 the liberal side?
00:18:35.200 >> Yes, of course.
00:18:36.000 >> That’s kind of interesting, isn’t it?
00:18:38.320 >> It it it’s interesting, but it’s not
00:18:40.400 shocking. Whatever defends and protects
00:18:43.360 certain individuals when they speak
00:18:45.760 emotionally versus factually, they just
00:18:48.960 it works for them. So, it’s not shocking
00:18:52.160 that whatever script is flipped, and I’m
00:18:55.440 not saying both sides don’t do that to a
00:18:57.120 certain degree, but it just whatever’s
00:18:59.120 convenient at the time. It’s like you
00:19:01.360 show them, you know, one video is
00:19:05.679 showing something that they feel that
00:19:07.440 they benefit from. Then the next video,
00:19:09.919 it doesn’t really benefit them. So, like
00:19:12.240 for instance, right now there’s a video
00:19:13.760 of Alex kicking out a officer’s vehicle
00:19:18.080 tail light and then people are like,
00:19:20.080 "See, they had it in for him. They were
00:19:21.919 they wanted to execute him 11 days
00:19:24.080 later." It’s like it just keeps moving.
00:19:27.760 But I think as humans, do you think that
00:19:30.240 we tend to try and protect our beliefs
00:19:34.480 by grasping at straws? So the gun
00:19:36.880 doesn’t work for something, but now it
00:19:38.960 benefits you to like to, you know,
00:19:41.440 support the gun
00:19:43.120 >> and his right, then they’re going to do
00:19:45.440 that.
00:19:46.320 >> They talk it’s the hypocrisy that I talk
00:19:48.640 about all the time talking out of both
00:19:49.919 sides of your mouth.
00:19:50.480 >> Yeah, totally. Totally agree.
00:19:52.160 >> And if you look at that video all the
00:19:54.480 way through, um, you know, from the
00:19:57.039 spitting
00:19:58.080 >> Yes, he was spitting on the vehicle
00:20:00.080 >> and from the the profanity that he was
00:20:02.960 yelling at that officer. And I want to
00:20:05.280 get uh just clarify a couple of things.
00:20:07.840 That officer didn’t wake up one morning
00:20:09.520 and say, "I want to go to Minnesota."
00:20:12.240 Okay. Now, I’ll give you an example of
00:20:13.919 that. Uh when I was in the military, uh
00:20:16.480 the first Gulf War, I woke up one
00:20:18.720 morning and got orders to to move,
00:20:21.760 deploy to the Middle East. Okay? Now, I
00:20:25.600 had two choices. I could either go or I
00:20:29.840 could be court marshal. Okay? It wasn’t
00:20:33.360 me that made that decision. It was the
00:20:35.520 commander-in-chief, the president of the
00:20:37.520 United States. Whether I liked the man
00:20:40.480 or not, he had made that decision that
00:20:43.360 we were going to deploy to the Middle
00:20:45.120 East. And so, being sworn um an oath to
00:20:51.280 our country uh and a military operative,
00:20:55.039 I picked up and deployed to the Middle
00:20:57.919 East.
00:20:58.480 >> Okay. But and and Megan, I think you’ve
00:21:00.880 heard some of this and and seen this
00:21:02.799 again on social media. What about the
00:21:05.280 the people who say things like, "Yeah,
00:21:07.679 but you signed up for it, so you were
00:21:09.440 already predisposed or you were already
00:21:11.039 agreeing with that anyway. You were
00:21:12.480 ready to do it." And just like with the
00:21:14.080 ICE agents, they signed up to be ICE
00:21:16.320 agents, so this is what they wanted to
00:21:18.000 do. So they this is uh in my opinion
00:21:21.120 allowing people to actually blame the
00:21:23.360 officers personally as opposed to
00:21:25.440 looking at the chain of command. I mean,
00:21:28.480 >> isn’t it kind of the same thing? You’re
00:21:29.919 confusing me a little bit. I’m sorry.
00:21:31.440 >> Yeah. I’m saying the the the people who
00:21:33.679 are angry at ICE agents and trying to to
00:21:36.960 stop them and spit on them and are
00:21:39.039 really angry at at the agents themselves
00:21:42.080 and we’re saying, "Yeah, but they’re
00:21:43.280 just following orders. They’re not the
00:21:44.799 people that are making the decision."
00:21:47.200 >> Correct.
00:21:47.760 >> But the same people who are angry at the
00:21:50.000 ICE agents will say, "Yeah, but they
00:21:51.840 signed up to do this job." So that’s
00:21:54.159 giving them the emotional ammunition to
00:21:57.600 be angry at the individual agents. Isn’t
00:22:00.159 that what they’re what you’re seeing?
00:22:04.799 >> I’ve seen some of that.
00:22:05.760 >> I I’m missing it a little bit. I’m
00:22:07.760 sorry. I think that they’re just they’re
00:22:10.080 basically calling them Nazis and they’re
00:22:13.919 just out there doing whatever they feel
00:22:16.000 like they’re doing like bully bullying.
00:22:18.720 I did a post where it shows that there
00:22:22.480 was there was deportation throughout all
00:22:25.840 the administrations. Even Tomman
00:22:30.159 Homeman was awarded by Obama for doing
00:22:33.679 such a great job in deportations. But
00:22:36.799 yet when they’re doing it under Trump,
00:22:39.200 there’s all these riots and they’re
00:22:40.720 saying, "Well, it’s because they’re
00:22:41.600 being aggressive and they’re,"Well, is
00:22:44.400 it the chicken or the egg? Are they
00:22:45.600 being aggressive? Or maybe it’s cuz
00:22:46.799 you’re out there creating issues that it
00:22:48.640 feels like they’re becoming aggressive
00:22:50.000 because I believe there are a lot of
00:22:51.600 paid agitators out there. I mean,
00:22:53.200 they’ve already I mean, who prints these
00:22:55.360 signs up? All of a sudden, you have all
00:22:56.880 this mob going out there and there’s
00:22:58.960 20,000 printed signs. Everybody got
00:23:01.360 together and was like, "Let’s print
00:23:02.720 these signs." I mean, who’s paying for
00:23:04.400 that? All these people that are standing
00:23:06.000 out there? I don’t think so. I mean,
00:23:07.600 don’t they have jobs? I mean, maybe,
00:23:10.240 maybe not. But I do think that people
00:23:13.840 are blaming ICE agents for the
00:23:16.640 temperature that the country is in. Like
00:23:18.320 it’s your fault. You shouldn’t be out
00:23:20.880 there cuz the videos that they show,
00:23:23.679 right? They’re highly volatile. But it’s
00:23:25.760 like this person has probably been
00:23:27.919 aggravating them for 6 hours now or
00:23:30.559 whatever they’re doing or however many
00:23:32.159 hours and they’re following them and
00:23:33.600 agitating and then finally they get out
00:23:35.760 of their vehicle after they’re being
00:23:37.120 spit at and kicked and you know all this
00:23:39.520 stuff and THEY’RE LIKE STOP IT and they
00:23:42.080 like get them away and they’re like see
00:23:43.760 that’s bullying [laughter] and you’re
00:23:45.280 like wait a minute were you were you
00:23:47.679 there the entire time? It’s like illegal
00:23:49.679 illegal illegal. He’s getting in our
00:23:51.520 way. He’s in the street. He’s doing
00:23:53.039 this. He’s doing that. He’s doing that.
00:23:54.559 And finally, they’re like, "Fine, all of
00:23:56.880 those things are illegal, but on the
00:23:58.320 99th illegal thing, I’m going to take
00:24:00.480 control of the situation." And they’re
00:24:01.919 like, "How dare you do your job?"
00:24:04.080 >> Right. In the in that one video that you
00:24:05.840 showed me of when he’s kicking out the
00:24:07.360 tail light and he finally gets taken to
00:24:09.840 the ground, people start yelling, "Stop.
00:24:12.960 Stop. What are you doing? Stop." Like,
00:24:14.880 >> cuz we’re just supposed to let people be
00:24:17.120 however they want and kick cars and spit
00:24:20.480 at officers and do all. And that’s
00:24:22.720 unfortunate because like I said, my dad
00:24:24.400 used to say, "Cops have to be correct
00:24:26.080 100% of the time." People get to just be
00:24:29.279 willy-nilly and be whatever they want to
00:24:31.520 be. And cops are like putting up with it
00:24:34.640 and putting up with it and putting up
00:24:35.919 with it and putting up with it. And then
00:24:37.279 they’re like, like you had talked about
00:24:38.640 asking for the bathroom multiple times.
00:24:40.480 Where’s the bathroom? Where’s the
00:24:41.440 bathroom? Where’s the bathroom? And then
00:24:42.960 finally they’re like, "Stop it. Just get
00:24:45.760 away. Move." And then I don’t know. It
00:24:48.320 just it was cracking me up when people
00:24:50.720 were like, "Stop." You’re like, "Wait a
00:24:52.880 minute.
00:24:53.279 >> Why weren’t you yelling stop when he was
00:24:54.880 kicking out the tail light or spitting
00:24:56.400 on him or
00:24:57.039 >> Because they’re like it’s that movie
00:24:58.640 mentality. Go get him. Go get him. We’re
00:25:01.919 going to we’re going to get back." It’s
00:25:03.840 like they have this like false
00:25:05.520 romanticized image of what getting back
00:25:09.039 at the government looks like. But like,
00:25:11.039 hey, like bad things happen when you act
00:25:14.559 poorly and you don’t make good
00:25:15.840 decisions. You might not like the law
00:25:17.440 and you might want to go out there and
00:25:19.200 be crazy, but don’t expect crazy things
00:25:21.760 not to happen.
00:25:22.400 >> And I think we’re living in an era right
00:25:23.840 now, and I’ve said this before, where
00:25:27.120 the bad actor
00:25:29.919 emotionally,
00:25:31.600 that person and everybody that supports
00:25:33.440 that person feels like they should be
00:25:34.880 able to do whatever they want. And it’s
00:25:36.880 the person who calls out or stops the
00:25:39.200 bad actor that gets vilified and ends up
00:25:41.919 being the bad actor in in you know the
00:25:45.120 media in in popular comment. And instead
00:25:48.799 of looking at the root cause, what was
00:25:50.960 this guy doing? He was breaking the law.
00:25:54.000 And and we’ve got statutes. You’re
00:25:55.679 talking about the Constitution. And
00:25:56.799 there’s also state and federal statutes
00:25:59.120 that make it absolutely illegal to
00:26:02.400 obstruct a law enforcement officer while
00:26:05.679 he’s carrying out his duty. There I
00:26:07.679 looked at Minnesota statutes and I
00:26:09.520 looked at the federal statutes. These
00:26:11.039 are federal officers. They’re operating
00:26:12.880 in Minnesota. Both the federal statutes
00:26:15.520 and the Minnesota statutes make it
00:26:17.760 illegal for anybody to obstruct them
00:26:19.760 carrying out their lawful duty. And they
00:26:21.760 have a warrant signed off by a judge.
00:26:23.679 It’s a lawful duty.
00:26:25.679 >> Yeah. And and you might not know this,
00:26:28.000 but uh ICE agents uh cannot
00:26:31.919 um interact with the citizenry. They’re
00:26:34.640 there for illegal aliens, right? So if
00:26:38.159 they do get involved with the civilian,
00:26:41.039 right, that that needs to be turned over
00:26:43.120 to civilian authorities, right?
00:26:46.159 Typically the local police. Well, why
00:26:48.320 did we bring Customs and Border Patrol
00:26:50.080 up there? Because Minnesota’s local
00:26:52.720 police wasn’t helping out,
00:26:54.320 >> right? ICE knew that they are not
00:26:56.080 supposed to interact with these people.
00:26:57.760 So, let’s get Customs and Border Patrol
00:26:59.440 because they can’t,
00:27:00.240 >> right? And that’s who ended up
00:27:01.600 >> their jurisdiction, right? Border
00:27:03.520 Patrol.
00:27:04.240 >> So, we should also look at, yes, lawful,
00:27:08.159 but awful. All right? So, yes, something
00:27:11.279 may be lawful for you to do, but the
00:27:15.039 optics of it are awful.
00:27:17.279 >> Okay? So, in that interreaction that he
00:27:21.120 had with ICE agents the week be prior to
00:27:26.240 uh he was also carrying a gun. You can
00:27:28.640 see it in the video.
00:27:30.080 >> Uh it’s exposed. Um and and the officers
00:27:34.880 just again they said, "Well, look, he
00:27:37.039 just he left him there and got back in
00:27:38.799 the truck and left." Well, because that
00:27:42.320 he was a civilian, a citizen of the
00:27:46.400 United States, not an illegal. So, he
00:27:49.279 said, "My jurisdiction ends there."
00:27:51.679 Okay. He was telling him to stop. Don’t
00:27:54.240 do that. I think I remember one person
00:27:56.559 saying he didn’t do anything illegal. He
00:27:59.200 property damage is illegal. I’m sorry.
00:28:01.404 [laughter]
00:28:02.399 Uh property damage is very illegal.
00:28:04.799 >> Spitting is actually illegal on a
00:28:06.640 federal agent. As a as a prosecutor, I
00:28:09.360 charge people with battery when they
00:28:11.279 would spit on somebody else. It it that
00:28:13.600 meets the definition of battery and
00:28:15.600 actually it because it can, you know,
00:28:18.080 there’s communicable diseases that
00:28:19.600 people can get. It can be dangerous. So,
00:28:22.080 it’s it’s a chargeable offense.
00:28:24.720 >> So, we look at protected class. You’re
00:28:26.399 protected class for being a lawyer,
00:28:28.720 right? So, on the court house grounds,
00:28:31.360 you are protected. So assault goes to
00:28:34.399 aggravated assault doesn’t
00:28:36.640 >> right
00:28:37.120 >> it’s it’s automatic a judge police
00:28:39.600 officer uh EMT fire school teachers
00:28:44.240 right
00:28:44.799 >> administrators things like that all are
00:28:46.880 protected class
00:28:47.679 >> so what you’re saying is while they’re
00:28:49.039 carrying out their duties if somebody
00:28:51.200 attacks them uh then that
00:28:53.440 >> spits on them
00:28:54.240 >> it’s not just a person against a person
00:28:56.080 that’s how people want to emotionally
00:28:57.360 look at it like if someone spit on me I
00:28:59.360 wouldn’t get thrown onto the ground or
00:29:00.880 maybe I would but they’re looking at it
00:29:02.720 as this citizen-to-scitizen level.
00:29:05.200 >> Yeah. So, here is an agent, an ICE
00:29:08.000 agent, right, wrong, or indifferent. He
00:29:10.880 is carrying out his duties. He’s a
00:29:12.640 protected class. So, you now do
00:29:15.440 something. It’s not It’s not No, I just
00:29:18.720 spit on him. No, that’s aggravated
00:29:20.480 assault. Okay? And so, again, all of
00:29:24.240 these illegal things add up and you get
00:29:26.960 to a point where, hey, we got to we got
00:29:29.039 to push back. Now, in the incident uh
00:29:32.320 that we’re talking about today, uh where
00:29:35.600 the ICE agent pushes a woman out of the
00:29:38.080 roadway,
00:29:38.559 >> was it an ICE agent or was it um
00:29:41.120 somebody people were saying it was
00:29:42.399 border patrol?
00:29:43.600 >> Okay. So, I’ll say federal agent because
00:29:45.200 I don’t know right off the top my So,
00:29:47.200 they’re pushing her out of the road so
00:29:48.960 they can get vehicles through.
00:29:50.960 >> Okay.
00:29:52.240 And this gentleman comes to this lady’s
00:29:56.480 I guess on a white horse as a rescue and
00:30:00.080 and gets in involved in this. Now
00:30:05.200 whether these agents knew him or not um
00:30:08.720 interacted with him before or not is uh
00:30:11.840 I think right now at this moment is
00:30:14.000 irrelevant. It we need to talk about
00:30:16.960 okay he had a choice to make. He he had
00:30:19.919 a choice to come to that
00:30:22.640 that protest that area of protest. Now
00:30:25.360 we have been the we see now that that
00:30:29.760 there was a chat he was in the chat and
00:30:33.600 he his presence was requested. Okay. So
00:30:38.159 it wasn’t just hey I’m going to show up.
00:30:41.200 Okay. So he so how he got there
00:30:43.440 >> people asked him to come.
00:30:44.640 >> Okay. So he’s there. He chose to bring a
00:30:48.000 gun.
00:30:49.200 Okay. Okay. Your choice. Again, you have
00:30:53.279 a right to do it. Uh but you then have
00:30:56.159 some responsibilities. I’m sorry, but
00:30:58.720 you have some responsibilities. If you
00:31:00.960 choose to get involved in impeding a
00:31:04.240 police action, there’s may be some
00:31:07.360 consequences. Okay. Now,
00:31:12.000 unfortunately, those consequences ended
00:31:13.840 up in in the shooting death of this
00:31:15.919 individual. Okay. Well, um, we’re there
00:31:20.240 now. We’re past that. So, now we can all
00:31:22.720 Monday night quarterback this thing. And
00:31:25.919 look at this. Uh, you brought a gun. Law
00:31:29.120 enforcement is trained that if anybody
00:31:33.679 interacting with a person sees a threat,
00:31:36.080 so a knife, a gun, uh, whatever that
00:31:40.880 could be a tool used against officers,
00:31:44.159 uh, they’re trained to yell that out.
00:31:47.120 And they’re doing this to protect each
00:31:48.640 other
00:31:48.960 >> and they’re making everybody else aware
00:31:51.279 of that. Okay. Now, one of the tactics
00:31:54.559 is everybody moves away from that and
00:31:56.960 draws a firearm. Right. Okay. If we all
00:32:01.279 stand get on top of him, we and somebody
00:32:04.960 draws a gun, they’re liable to get shot.
00:32:08.159 >> Okay.
00:32:09.120 >> So, now let’s talk about do we see in
00:32:11.440 real time.
00:32:12.799 >> Okay. This is Yeah, this is what we were
00:32:14.720 teasing at the beginning
00:32:15.760 >> because I asked you last night with
00:32:18.960 Renee Good and him, why the multiple
00:32:22.000 shots? Why not just take one shot as a
00:32:24.320 police officer? How does that work? And
00:32:26.000 you enlightened me.
00:32:27.519 >> So, um, so we train on
00:32:33.200 on knowing our numbers. And when I talk
00:32:35.440 about knowing our numbers, how fast does
00:32:37.039 it take me to draw? How fast does it
00:32:38.960 take me to get first shot on target? How
00:32:40.799 fast are my splits? Okay, splits are
00:32:43.279 between shots, right? So, to give you an
00:32:46.159 example, uh my drawst stroke from a
00:32:49.440 holstered rig like a law enforcement
00:32:52.240 officer is 082.
00:32:54.640 Okay. So, less than a second, I bring my
00:32:57.519 gun out and get one shot on target.
00:32:59.760 >> Oh, that includes the first shot, too.
00:33:01.679 >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:33:02.880 >> And I know you I know it’s on target.
00:33:04.799 You don’t miss.
00:33:05.760 >> Okay. And then, uh, my splits are 0.2.
00:33:10.559 So now I’m getting four to five shots
00:33:13.600 out per second. Okay. Oh wow. Okay.
00:33:18.000 Well, now we got to bring in the
00:33:20.399 eyeball, the optic nerve and the brain
00:33:23.360 and what it’s seeing. Okay. So we learn
00:33:28.240 in force science that the eyeball takes
00:33:31.200 about 7/10 of a second to recognize
00:33:35.679 something has changed. So, think about
00:33:38.159 somebody is standing in front of you and
00:33:40.000 they move, okay? And I draw my holster,
00:33:43.840 draw from my holster, and I press out
00:33:46.640 and that individual has moved and my
00:33:48.640 brain hasn’t said that yet or noticed it
00:33:50.880 yet. So, now I’ve got to, well, he’s
00:33:53.919 over here. Oh, now he’s moving. So, it’s
00:33:56.720 really hard to catch up to them, right?
00:33:59.279 Because we’re seeing in that delayed
00:34:01.279 time. Now, when we say 7/10 of a second,
00:34:04.080 that’s not a whole lot, but it is
00:34:06.480 delayed time. If they were there, now
00:34:08.079 they’re here. Now, they’re here. Okay.
00:34:10.879 >> It It’s enough to make you miss your
00:34:12.560 target.
00:34:13.119 >> Yes. Okay. You have to have some
00:34:15.359 training
00:34:16.879 um to to understand it. Okay. So,
00:34:23.679 somebody shoots somebody. I did this in
00:34:26.320 a simulation where I s shot the target
00:34:29.839 seven times total. Uh about a second uh
00:34:34.879 almost two seconds. Seven times. Okay.
00:34:38.399 Um
00:34:40.079 on the first shot out of my gun in a
00:34:42.320 simulator, the guy dropped the knife.
00:34:45.760 >> Oh wow.
00:34:48.399 But my eyesight and my brain did not
00:34:51.679 tell me the threat was over
00:34:54.399 >> until seven
00:34:55.520 >> until I got six more rounds out.
00:34:57.520 >> Six more rounds.
00:34:58.400 >> Okay. So when we look at that, when we
00:35:01.040 look at the officer and any officer that
00:35:04.160 shoots multiple times, um his his
00:35:10.160 eyesight, optic nerve, and the brain are
00:35:12.880 are catching up
00:35:15.359 to that that it’s no longer a threat. I
00:35:18.400 say when they go into court, their
00:35:20.240 attorney says, well, you know, hey, we
00:35:22.720 can see in the video that the guy
00:35:25.760 dropped the gun,
00:35:27.119 >> right? or dropped whatever it was, you
00:35:30.880 know, on the second or third shot and
00:35:33.359 you continued to fire.
00:35:35.920 Well, yeah, because my eyes hadn’t
00:35:38.480 caught up with that yet. Okay.
00:35:40.240 >> It hadn’t registered in your brain
00:35:42.000 >> right now. So, somebody’s saying
00:35:44.880 verbally, gun, gun, gun.
00:35:47.920 And that officer drawing
00:35:50.960 and you see all the officers kind of
00:35:52.720 back away. this officer decides he’s
00:35:55.599 going to maybe it was planned that hey
00:35:58.880 if we come into a threat situation you
00:36:00.800 and you are going to draw right
00:36:02.640 everybody else is going to stay
00:36:04.240 holstered so they draw and they start
00:36:07.119 firing okay well it you can see it takes
00:36:11.760 about a second well 710 is is about a
00:36:15.520 second right before they stop shooting
00:36:20.079 and um and that I believe is is really
00:36:25.440 most people don’t understand that. Most
00:36:27.359 people, you know, don’t recognize that
00:36:30.160 that’s what the optic nerve and the
00:36:32.240 brain are communicating,
00:36:33.839 >> right? Because it looks like as just a
00:36:35.599 normal person, you know, you’re like,
00:36:37.440 "Oh, yeah, they should." And then you’re
00:36:40.160 like, "Wow, the guy’s down. He’s down.
00:36:42.000 He’s down. Quit shooting. Quit shooting.
00:36:43.520 Wow, that’s aggressive." Like that’s how
00:36:45.040 it feels as just a lay person not
00:36:47.280 understanding that. But you explaining
00:36:49.440 how that works. It’s not like him like
00:36:53.040 one wasn’t enough. Get down you jerk,
00:36:55.680 you know, blah blah blah. Cuz then that
00:36:57.280 makes it seem so full of anger and rage
00:37:00.480 where then it becomes safety and like
00:37:04.079 getting back at someone.
00:37:05.280 >> Yeah. So then we have to talk about the
00:37:07.440 adrenaline and the dopamine dumped into
00:37:09.520 the system. All right. And how that
00:37:11.760 works and why it works the way it does.
00:37:13.839 I mean, God made an incredible body. Uh,
00:37:16.640 so just a little bit of dopamine and
00:37:19.760 adrenaline um makes
00:37:23.839 single moms can lift cars off of
00:37:26.640 >> Sure.
00:37:27.280 >> Oh, I had a story about that. Can I tell
00:37:28.720 real quick?
00:37:29.040 >> Yeah, of course.
00:37:29.680 >> So, [laughter]
00:37:30.560 when we were in Wisconsin, um, we had a
00:37:32.880 house in Wisconsin and we had a
00:37:35.200 speedboat and my grandmother had severe
00:37:38.160 rheumatoid arthritis. Like her hands
00:37:40.079 were like this. She could barely walk.
00:37:42.480 Well, they put the skiboat into the lake
00:37:45.760 and he was coming around in front of our
00:37:47.280 house and it started sinking. They never
00:37:48.720 put the plug back in.
00:37:50.720 >> So, we had to get the trailer o off to
00:37:54.240 the car. My grandma who had a cane who
00:37:57.760 could barely walk went running up to the
00:38:00.480 garage and pulled that entire trailer
00:38:03.200 out to the street like she was Wonder
00:38:05.599 Woman. And you’re like, "What in the
00:38:08.079 heck?" So, I I just had to add that.
00:38:10.320 >> Yeah. So
00:38:11.599 >> it was it’s true.
00:38:13.200 >> Yeah. Yeah, it is.
00:38:14.079 >> So we we talk about stress inoculation
00:38:16.320 in training. We talk about these
00:38:18.240 different things to because we we have
00:38:20.240 to be able to add
00:38:22.560 that that shot of dopamine or that shot
00:38:25.520 of adrenaline into your system to really
00:38:27.920 see how you’re going to respond to
00:38:29.760 something. We can do that a couple of
00:38:31.200 different ways. Force on force is a
00:38:33.119 really good way, right? So
00:38:34.240 >> in training
00:38:34.960 >> in training. So we, you know, we put
00:38:36.960 some type of force up against you
00:38:39.520 >> like what, for example?
00:38:40.640 >> So an airsoft shooter, uh, where they’re
00:38:43.599 shooting an airsoft round at you or a
00:38:46.079 simunition, a wax bullet if you will. So
00:38:49.200 there’s actually somebody that’s working
00:38:50.960 against you. It’s not just a static
00:38:52.640 target standing there and you’re
00:38:54.480 shooting it. It’s somebody that’s moving
00:38:56.079 and thinking as well. And uh, maybe
00:38:58.800 they’re behind something. Maybe they’re
00:39:00.320 in their dark shadow, something like
00:39:02.000 that, and they jump out and they start
00:39:03.520 shooting. And that’s enough to get them
00:39:05.119 the adrenaline rush and to know that
00:39:06.640 they’re
00:39:07.359 >> so attacked.
00:39:08.560 >> So now let’s talk about law enforcement.
00:39:10.560 So what do they do? They go from crisis
00:39:14.560 >> to crisis.
00:39:15.359 >> Crisis to crisis
00:39:16.320 >> to crisis. So all day long,
00:39:18.000 >> yes,
00:39:18.400 >> they’re getting these little shots of
00:39:20.560 adrenaline and dopamine. Little shots
00:39:23.520 all day long.
00:39:26.400 >> So just a little bit. Just a little bit.
00:39:28.400 just and and God made it so that the
00:39:30.480 body would only give you enough
00:39:33.280 that you need it for the situation,
00:39:35.359 right? Wouldn’t dump all this stuff into
00:39:37.440 you and you be all jacked up, you know?
00:39:40.640 So, so now they’re getting these little
00:39:42.480 shots all day long. So, they they uh
00:39:45.280 capture an illegal uh they they get him
00:39:49.680 over to an administrator to process and
00:39:51.920 they go after the next one. Right? So
00:39:53.920 they’re going and now they’ve got these
00:39:55.760 agitators and these protesters and these
00:39:57.839 people that are that are really impeding
00:40:00.400 their position. Those excuse me, those
00:40:03.359 are actual adrenaline dumps as well. So
00:40:05.920 little ones here and there because they
00:40:07.440 got to take care of this situation. And
00:40:10.480 >> and we talked about you mentioned the
00:40:11.920 the agitators. Meg, you were just
00:40:13.520 talking about, you know, are they paid
00:40:15.599 agitators?
00:40:17.359 if they are
00:40:18.400 >> I think there might be leaders where
00:40:20.880 like come on we’re going to go we’re
00:40:22.079 going to be at blah blah blah blah blah
00:40:23.359 blah and there’s paid paid people and
00:40:24.880 then there’s other people that are just
00:40:26.240 like yeah I’ll join in and then they go
00:40:28.240 out. So I think there’s a mixture
00:40:30.079 >> and and if there is some organized
00:40:34.960 agitation that’s happening with people
00:40:36.800 who are paid and being told
00:40:39.119 >> magically there’s a bunch of uh you know
00:40:40.960 bricks laid out.
00:40:42.000 >> So that’s the evidence that we have. But
00:40:44.160 don’t but
00:40:44.880 >> bricks are laid out there and the signs.
00:40:46.960 Don’t you think people if they’re doing
00:40:48.720 it professionally, they’ve thought about
00:40:51.040 the impact that has on the officer again
00:40:54.320 and again and again for the because they
00:40:56.400 know at some point people are people and
00:40:59.839 somebody’s going to crack
00:41:03.839 >> and we have evidence that with some
00:41:05.760 training going on.
00:41:08.560 >> So yeah, they absolutely know how to how
00:41:12.079 to poke the bear.
00:41:13.359 >> Yeah. And they know how to do it to make
00:41:14.640 it look like they were just only in the
00:41:16.560 street recording
00:41:17.760 >> and they’re looking for that sound bite
00:41:19.440 where it’s just being pushed to the
00:41:21.520 ground and everybody else yelling,
00:41:22.880 "Stop! What are you doing?"
00:41:24.480 >> And they’re using these people because
00:41:26.079 they know that they could get shot.
00:41:28.560 They’re being used.
00:41:30.319 >> It’s the optics. Uh they’re poking the
00:41:32.720 bear. You know, we talk about that then
00:41:34.240 in CCW class. You cannot poke the bear
00:41:37.200 and then claim that self-defense. No,
00:41:41.200 definitely not during pmenopause either.
00:41:43.119 >> You you [laughter]
00:41:48.079 >> no poking this bear.
00:41:49.520 >> What’s that movie? Fried green Tomatoes.
00:41:51.440 >> Oh yeah. [laughter]
00:41:52.720 Anyway, sorry.
00:41:54.240 >> So, uh, one more thing that I want to
00:41:56.319 talk about so that we’re kind of on the
00:41:58.560 same
00:42:00.079 >> level um together, you know, as we move
00:42:03.119 then forward. So, uh, in the state of
00:42:05.200 Arizona, we have a no duty to retreat.
00:42:07.599 So a lot of people think well
00:42:09.920 >> somebody comes into my house I have no
00:42:12.000 no duty to retreat and okay
00:42:14.400 >> what does that mean?
00:42:15.440 >> So so let’s talk about that. So um
00:42:18.960 >> well that yeah that’s that’s implicating
00:42:20.640 the castle doctrine as well. Well, yeah.
00:42:22.800 So, then we got, you know, so when we
00:42:24.640 look at 420, 418 and 419, uh, which in
00:42:28.800 the state of Arizona, if we look at
00:42:30.560 title 13 and we look at at 418 and 419,
00:42:34.960 those really take care of of, you know,
00:42:37.839 occupied vehicle, key word there being
00:42:40.400 occupied.
00:42:42.800 And then, uh, your structure, right? If
00:42:45.760 you have a legal right to be there, you
00:42:47.680 have a legal right to defend it.
00:42:49.920 >> Okay? But let’s say that you and I are
00:42:52.400 walking down the sidewalk and I have a
00:42:55.040 legal right to be there and you have a
00:42:56.480 legal right to be there. One of us has
00:42:58.560 to be a model citizen, right? We have to
00:43:02.160 give way, right?
00:43:05.280 Because no duty to retreat means I don’t
00:43:07.760 have to move.
00:43:08.640 >> So who doesn’t have to move? The cop or
00:43:10.319 you?
00:43:11.119 >> No, no, no. This is a different
00:43:12.480 situation al together.
00:43:13.680 >> Yeah, we’re just talking about
00:43:14.800 civilians. Then we’re going to add in a
00:43:17.440 law enforcement officer. So if I’m
00:43:18.800 walking down the sidewalk and someone’s
00:43:20.240 coming at me, we both don’t have to
00:43:21.839 move.
00:43:23.040 >> Stand your ground, right?
00:43:24.480 >> So you get out of my way. No, you get
00:43:26.560 out of my way.
00:43:27.280 >> Right. So then what does that starts
00:43:29.280 what we call the monkey dance, right?
00:43:32.079 And
00:43:32.560 >> so then they’re jumping. You get out of
00:43:34.160 my way. You
00:43:34.800 >> There was a Dr. Seuss uh uh show about
00:43:37.920 that where one guy always traveled
00:43:40.000 north, the other guy always traveled
00:43:41.520 south, and they met in the middle, and
00:43:43.040 neither one would step to the side, and
00:43:44.880 they stayed there for years and built an
00:43:46.480 entire city around them. What?
00:43:48.000 >> Yeah.
00:43:48.319 >> Yeah. Las Vegas. [laughter]
00:43:52.160 >> So, think about think about that. Okay.
00:43:54.560 So, I got We’re both standing on the
00:43:56.640 sidewalk. We both have a right to be
00:43:58.480 there. Um I don’t have to give ground.
00:44:02.000 You don’t have to give ground. One of us
00:44:04.160 has to be a model, right?
00:44:05.839 >> Somebody has to say it’s okay. You go
00:44:07.760 around.
00:44:08.240 >> Yeah. Okay. Here, I’ll step aside. I’m
00:44:10.400 sorry. I didn’t mean to get away. Okay.
00:44:13.359 um stand your ground or no duty to
00:44:15.280 retreat. Uh is also that if you feel
00:44:19.359 that uh your life is in danger um and
00:44:22.880 and danger could be anywhere from
00:44:25.760 physical harm or deadly physical harm.
00:44:28.960 Okay. So, uh grave bodily injury or
00:44:31.680 death, I think, is the definition. So,
00:44:34.880 um I’m I’m in a hotel lobby. I have a
00:44:38.560 right to be there. I’ve rented a room
00:44:40.640 and somebody comes in with a baseball
00:44:42.400 bat. I don’t have to run to the room
00:44:45.119 that I rented before I defend.
00:44:48.880 >> Oh, so you could defend yourself in the
00:44:50.880 lobby.
00:44:51.520 >> I could defend myself.
00:44:53.359 >> But what if he came in with a baseball
00:44:55.119 bat and you’re sitting over there?
00:44:57.760 >> Okay, so
00:44:58.720 >> you’re not he’s not coming at you,
00:45:00.400 >> right? So then you really be have to be
00:45:03.440 able to articulate what why you felt
00:45:06.000 like your life was in danger. Does it
00:45:08.079 have to be yours or you felt like you
00:45:09.760 were defending some like they were
00:45:11.200 walking in towards just a crowd of
00:45:13.040 people and you thought you’d be the
00:45:14.880 hero?
00:45:15.920 >> Yeah. So, let’s talk about defending
00:45:17.839 third party. Okay.
00:45:19.440 >> Okay.
00:45:19.760 >> Um, so the the law here in the state of
00:45:22.160 Arizona gives you a right to defend
00:45:23.839 third party,
00:45:24.560 >> right?
00:45:25.599 >> But here’s the thing, and you got to
00:45:28.640 really think about this, right? My
00:45:30.880 circle is about this big. And although I
00:45:33.599 love both of you, [laughter] you’re not
00:45:35.680 in it.
00:45:40.000 Well, unless we hire you.
00:45:42.000 >> If the fight is Yeah. [laughter] If the
00:45:44.720 fight is with you,
00:45:47.839 I’m going to retreat to a better
00:45:50.079 position.
00:45:50.880 >> Right.
00:45:51.440 >> Okay. So, yes, if when I was an
00:45:54.960 executive protection agent for different
00:45:57.599 people throughout the country, it was my
00:45:59.920 job then to step in. Okay. Right. So,
00:46:02.400 just like when I was in the military, it
00:46:04.240 was my job to run to gunfire, right? Or
00:46:07.280 whatever it was. So, so that’s different
00:46:10.400 than just a civilian standing in a
00:46:13.200 restaurant and somebody comes in and
00:46:15.280 starts yelling and screaming at somebody
00:46:18.079 at the bar. That’s not my fight.
00:46:20.960 >> Yeah. And and just so we’re clear, we’ve
00:46:22.960 talked about how if if somebody is going
00:46:25.760 to intervene in in two other people uh
00:46:29.119 having an altercation,
00:46:31.839 don’t even though you might eventually
00:46:34.480 be shown to be in the right, don’t think
00:46:36.720 that that doesn’t mean you won’t get
00:46:38.079 arrested, you won’t get charged,
00:46:39.520 potentially sued as well, and you will
00:46:41.520 have to spend a lot of time and money
00:46:44.000 and and you know, time in jail likely
00:46:46.640 defending yourself and showing that you
00:46:48.880 are actually in the right. I have a
00:46:50.240 question real quick because um someone
00:46:52.240 had asked me this.
00:46:54.720 Does Alex’s family have a personal
00:46:58.079 injury lawsuit towards that agent?
00:47:00.319 >> Yeah, absolutely. No, that’s a great
00:47:01.760 question. And here’s here’s what you’ve
00:47:03.359 got to think about with that is anytime
00:47:06.480 something like this happens, people
00:47:08.400 start getting upset and they start
00:47:09.839 saying a lot of things that they don’t
00:47:11.119 really know about. You’ve got to think
00:47:12.960 first and foremost, are we talking a
00:47:15.359 civil situation or are we talking a
00:47:17.359 criminal situation? So, should somebody
00:47:20.640 if if there’s uh an altercation,
00:47:23.040 somebody pulls out a gun and shoots
00:47:24.720 somebody else and kills them. Should
00:47:26.880 they be arrested? That’s criminal.
00:47:30.079 Should they be uh prosecuted and
00:47:32.400 convicted and sent to jail? That’s
00:47:34.079 criminal. That’s punishment. Or do they
00:47:36.880 have the right to sue? That’s civil.
00:47:39.359 It’s it’s do we have a claim for money
00:47:43.599 damages? That’s civil. And it’s a much
00:47:46.000 much lower standard. So to put somebody
00:47:49.200 in jail, you’re taking away their life
00:47:51.520 or their liberty. You have to prove a
00:47:54.160 case against them beyond a reasonable
00:47:56.560 doubt, which is the highest standard
00:47:58.480 that we have to put them in jail. To sue
00:48:02.160 them civily and get money for it, it’s
00:48:05.359 just by the preponderance of the
00:48:07.440 evidence. Did it more or more than less
00:48:11.839 seem like the officer made a mistake?
00:48:14.640 Again, not purposeful, not intentional,
00:48:16.960 a mistake. Was it negligent? And that’s
00:48:19.359 enough to get money damages. So, I would
00:48:21.680 answer that question and say, expect a
00:48:23.920 lawsuit. There will be a lawsuit without
00:48:26.720 a doubt.
00:48:27.200 >> But wasn’t it criminal level? Cuz he was
00:48:29.520 impeding what they were doing. But
00:48:31.359 that’s going to be a prosecution by the
00:48:33.920 government against the individual that
00:48:36.480 did it if they feel like they have
00:48:38.800 enough evidence that he acted
00:48:40.559 intentionally and it rose to the level
00:48:42.880 of a crime that they can get a
00:48:44.319 conviction on. That’s something
00:48:45.599 completely different than the family of
00:48:48.000 this Alex bringing a civil suit for
00:48:50.720 money damages for them. So, is it kind
00:48:53.200 of like when it’s like comparative
00:48:55.200 fault, like if there’s a million-dollar
00:48:57.040 policy, they’ll say, "Well, he shouldn’t
00:48:58.400 have been here." D with the civil
00:49:00.559 lawsuit, he was in the wrong place at
00:49:02.640 the wrong time on purpose. And so, does
00:49:04.800 he have some responsibility in that so
00:49:06.880 he doesn’t like a car accident, if you
00:49:08.960 turn left in front of a red light
00:49:10.640 runner, you’re not supposed to be
00:49:12.480 turning in front of that person, even if
00:49:14.319 it’s red, you don’t assume they’re going
00:49:15.839 to stop. You take precautions to say,
00:49:18.079 "Hey, they’re not going to stop." and
00:49:20.079 you still have part in that accident
00:49:23.599 suing. Do you think the other side’s
00:49:25.599 going to say, "Hey, he had a
00:49:27.680 responsibility not to be impeding the
00:49:29.599 officers blah blah blah blah blah." So
00:49:31.440 there’s
00:49:32.559 >> Right. Without a doubt, because it would
00:49:34.880 be a negligence action. it would be that
00:49:37.760 the officer acted negligently and the
00:49:41.440 defense to that was that we all bear our
00:49:44.319 own responsibility and ultimately a jury
00:49:47.839 decides the fault based on a percentage
00:49:50.319 basis. So yes, the officer is at fault.
00:49:53.839 He’s 57% at fault, but Alex bears a
00:49:57.920 portion of the fault. He’s 43% at fault.
00:50:00.720 So the eventual award, call it a million
00:50:03.760 dollars, is downgraded by the percent of
00:50:06.079 his own fault.
00:50:07.119 >> Okay.
00:50:07.680 >> Okay. So yeah, that that very much would
00:50:09.520 come into play here. And again, that’s
00:50:11.200 solely on a civil side. So where people
00:50:13.599 get confused is they say,
00:50:16.800 >> well, they’re going to get sued. Yeah,
00:50:19.119 they are. They’re going to get sued.
00:50:20.400 Guar. I guarantee it’s going to happen.
00:50:22.319 But that doesn’t have any true
00:50:24.640 implication on the criminality of it and
00:50:27.440 whether the officer was justifiable in
00:50:30.559 in his use of force.
00:50:32.079 >> Well, you always talk about if someone
00:50:34.960 were to purposely run you over and
00:50:38.319 that’s a crime, you don’t get to have a
00:50:40.720 lawsuit, then
00:50:41.920 >> you can, but there’s no insurance
00:50:43.520 coverage for that.
00:50:44.480 >> That’s the difference. Okay.
00:50:46.079 >> So,
00:50:46.480 >> well, why is there insurance coverage
00:50:47.920 for this then? No, this would be
00:50:49.440 directly against the government because
00:50:51.280 that’s a federal agent doing
00:50:52.960 >> not insurance. So there’s no capital.
00:50:54.559 >> The government doesn’t have insurance.
00:50:56.000 They don’t need insurance. They got all
00:50:57.200 the money in the world.
00:50:58.480 >> Okay. That’s
00:50:59.520 >> I can print it.
00:51:00.640 >> They just print new money. [laughter]
00:51:02.960 >> Can they print me some?
00:51:05.040 >> No. But what you were talking about is a
00:51:07.280 lot of times if there is a road rage
00:51:10.480 incident where somebody intentionally
00:51:12.079 hits another person and insurance denies
00:51:15.440 coverage for it, it doesn’t mean that
00:51:17.359 that person is not responsible. They’re
00:51:20.000 still responsible if they cause
00:51:21.359 injuries. You can personally sue them.
00:51:22.720 >> But yeah, you can personally sue them,
00:51:24.480 but there may not be insurance coverage.
00:51:26.480 >> That’s kind of crappy of the insurance
00:51:27.680 company because if I have insurance and
00:51:29.040 someone purposely hits me, how is that
00:51:31.119 my fault? My insurance should still
00:51:32.800 cover that. No, we’re talking about the
00:51:34.960 person who caused the injury.
00:51:36.079 >> No, but if I have underinsured
00:51:37.520 motorists.
00:51:38.079 >> Yeah. Well, that’s different.
00:51:39.200 >> Oh, I would be covered then. It
00:51:40.640 >> It just depends on how the policies are
00:51:42.319 written.
00:51:42.800 >> Yeah.
00:51:43.119 >> Boo. [laughter]
00:51:44.240 >> Yeah.
00:51:44.960 >> Yeah. No.
00:51:46.000 >> Now we’re getting Now we’re getting into
00:51:47.359 contract analysis, which is a whole
00:51:49.040 other area.
00:51:49.680 >> Boring.
00:51:50.319 >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]
00:51:51.760 >> Anyways, let’s get back.
00:51:52.880 >> Insurance companies just are trained to
00:51:55.280 say no.
00:51:56.000 >> No. [laughter]
00:51:57.359 >> You had one leak. No more leaks. Or I
00:51:59.839 drop you.
00:52:01.359 >> Okay. So in the CWP certificate of or
00:52:04.720 >> I mean I didn’t have a leak. My house
00:52:06.079 had a leak. [laughter]
00:52:07.760 It sounded weird.
00:52:09.680 >> Certificate.
00:52:10.720 >> I don’t go leaking.
00:52:12.000 >> Concealed weapons permit.
00:52:13.040 >> Got to get that mechanism. [laughter]
00:52:14.480 >> Get out of here.
00:52:15.599 >> I’ve lost control.
00:52:18.000 >> So uh uh concealed weapons permit in the
00:52:21.920 state of Arizona. We got to look at I
00:52:23.839 talk about uh there most likely is going
00:52:26.480 to be big boy court. Right. Right.
00:52:28.319 That’s the criminal side. Okay. And then
00:52:31.200 the civil side. So if I if I have
00:52:34.319 justification to shoot Ken and I shoot
00:52:37.440 him, but my round misses or goes through
00:52:41.119 Ken and hits somebody that’s innocent,
00:52:44.079 I’m going to be charged for that.
00:52:46.160 >> Seriously,
00:52:46.800 >> transferred intent.
00:52:48.319 >> How do you What? How would you know?
00:52:50.240 Okay.
00:52:51.040 >> Whoa. Training.
00:52:52.079 >> So if So if he was coming up to murder
00:52:55.359 me, if you were coming up to murder me,
00:52:57.040 I’d rather use you than Ken. You were
00:52:58.751 [laughter] coming up to murder me. And I
00:53:00.800 shot you and it went through you and hit
00:53:02.880 >> and hit Ken.
00:53:05.680 >> Well, that’s not fair.
00:53:07.119 >> I know.
00:53:07.760 >> Your intent was to shoot the weapon.
00:53:09.599 Your intent was to shoot Jeff
00:53:12.160 >> cuz he was going to kill me.
00:53:13.359 >> Yes. And your intent is transferred to
00:53:16.000 the ultimate place that the bullet
00:53:17.920 lands.
00:53:18.400 >> You’re responsible for that round from
00:53:21.200 the time it leaves your muzzle till it
00:53:23.520 stops. And wherever it stops,
00:53:25.680 >> so I have to allow myself be killed by
00:53:27.440 you so I don’t shoot that person.
00:53:29.520 Absolutely not. No.
00:53:30.880 >> So if you’re standing here and Kenzo
00:53:32.400 happens to be behind you, how do I
00:53:33.599 protect myself?
00:53:34.319 >> Just move one foot. [laughter]
00:53:36.240 >> Oh, you train people to do.
00:53:40.079 >> So I’d be like and hit from the side.
00:53:43.119 >> Okay. [laughter] Uh we can also work on
00:53:45.119 angles, right? So if I kneel down and go
00:53:47.440 up through the torso, that’s a lot more
00:53:49.839 tissue than going through the body.
00:53:52.480 >> Okay. So this brings up something else
00:53:54.000 like I mean this is a different thing
00:53:55.119 that happened. So these two teens were
00:53:56.880 just killed unfortunately because they
00:53:58.480 were on a
00:53:59.839 But the same person that asked me about
00:54:02.160 the civil suit also asked, "So if you do
00:54:05.280 something illegally on accident,
00:54:07.920 >> like this 16-year-old that was driving
00:54:09.839 this vehicle that this happened, she she
00:54:13.200 was like, "It’s already horrible. I’m
00:54:15.280 sure he feels terrible. Will he still go
00:54:18.400 to jail?" And so, yes, he’s a kid, but
00:54:22.160 like that it almost feels like it’s it’s
00:54:26.480 not fair. Here’s the middle. Marsha.
00:54:28.559 Marsha Marsha it’s not fair Jan but it
00:54:32.319 feels like if there’s difference though
00:54:34.880 in jail time for intent versus
00:54:37.680 unintentional correct
00:54:39.440 >> yeah so again we’re we’re looking at the
00:54:42.160 difference between civil and criminal
00:54:44.079 >> so if I shoot if I shoot somebody behind
00:54:46.400 Jeff on accident
00:54:47.839 >> was it criminally negligent did it rise
00:54:50.319 to a level where you
00:54:52.880 >> should have known
00:54:53.839 >> should have known that it was was going
00:54:57.280 to happen that So people really better
00:54:59.520 know the laws. Like it’s not just like
00:55:01.440 go take some little class and not
00:55:03.119 remember like what’s happening. Like
00:55:04.960 this is serious. I mean I’m not saying
00:55:06.880 guns aren’t serious and I sound but I’m
00:55:09.040 saying a lot of people will take one CCW
00:55:11.280 or do something and then say I’m good
00:55:12.960 enough.
00:55:13.680 >> If I shoot somebody I should be fine,
00:55:16.000 but that’s not the case. They really
00:55:17.680 really really need to study this stuff.
00:55:20.079 So just because just because they might
00:55:22.400 be right in criminal court doesn’t mean
00:55:25.839 that they won’t get sued.
00:55:27.520 >> So let me ask you this question. Right.
00:55:30.079 So um
00:55:33.119 and I totally went blank there. That’s
00:55:35.280 awesome. [laughter]
00:55:36.720 >> Perry peropause.
00:55:39.839 >> That’s uh um
00:55:41.760 >> unfortunately that’s old age.
00:55:43.359 >> No, it’s per menopause. [laughter]
00:55:45.839 >> I blame everything on that. No, we were
00:55:47.680 talking about the accident po portion of
00:55:50.400 it, like what if you didn’t mean to?
00:55:51.920 What if you weren’t trained? And then I
00:55:53.280 was saying, you know, people really
00:55:54.720 better know these are a lot of things
00:55:56.480 that I guarantee you people don’t
00:55:58.079 realize.
00:55:58.960 >> Yeah, absolutely. We talk about it in
00:56:01.599 class all the time and and I ask people
00:56:03.839 all the time that you know it you have
00:56:07.520 to make that decision and if you’re
00:56:09.440 going to make that decision um you need
00:56:12.160 to make that prior to the altercation
00:56:14.799 having planning training um you know
00:56:17.760 working out different scenarios where
00:56:19.440 you’re going to be what could I come
00:56:21.359 into contact is it possible is it
00:56:23.920 plausible those types of things and and
00:56:26.400 really if there’s a red line that’s
00:56:28.160 crossed then then how do I engage this
00:56:31.520 and and really be safe. Okay.
00:56:34.079 >> And you teach that in your classes.
00:56:36.000 >> Absolutely. And um and so uh we we got
00:56:40.480 kind of offset. I want to get back to
00:56:41.839 the police officer. So no, now it’s it’s
00:56:43.599 it’s you interacting with a police
00:56:46.319 officer.
00:56:46.799 >> Correct.
00:56:47.280 >> Okay. Is that
00:56:48.319 >> Yeah. No, go for it. Okay.
00:56:49.839 >> So, uh because I don’t want to lose
00:56:51.520 that. Yeah. Um
00:56:52.480 >> No, cuz you were talking about two
00:56:53.680 civilians not going past each other. Now
00:56:55.680 you’re
00:56:55.760 >> talking have equal rights. Correct.
00:56:57.359 Yeah. So now bec so if you look at the
00:57:00.720 stand your ground law and you say well
00:57:02.400 okay I have that well law enforcement a
00:57:05.119 little bit different [laughter]
00:57:07.040 okay so one are they are they working in
00:57:11.760 their capacity right so they’re not at a
00:57:14.640 coffee shop not doing anything
00:57:16.960 >> right we call it under color of law are
00:57:18.880 they are they under color of law they’re
00:57:22.079 operating
00:57:23.680 >> it’s a little bit of a tongue twister
00:57:25.119 >> under color of law
00:57:26.160 >> yeah so if they are in their capacity,
00:57:29.119 their duties. Okay, so ICE agents were
00:57:33.119 working in that sector.
00:57:35.040 >> So even if they’re just driving down,
00:57:36.400 I’m just even talking about not even
00:57:37.680 that. Like if a cop is driving down the
00:57:39.440 street and you see two of them and
00:57:40.640 they’re just driving down the street,
00:57:42.079 they’re probably working.
00:57:44.480 >> Yes. Okay. Maybe they’re doing traffic
00:57:46.720 control. Maybe they’re, you know, Yes.
00:57:48.960 Maybe they’re surveilling the area for
00:57:50.480 stolen cars. Whatever it is,
00:57:52.079 >> going from one call to the next, they’re
00:57:54.240 on duty. They’re under color of law.
00:57:56.480 Okay. So, these ICE agents have
00:57:59.119 warrants. They have a a list of of of
00:58:03.920 suspects that they’re going
00:58:05.040 >> So, they’re not just going and stealing
00:58:06.319 people from their homes.
00:58:08.480 >> Not usually. [laughter]
00:58:10.000 >> No, that’s what people are saying. I’m
00:58:11.440 just I’m making a joke cuz that’s what
00:58:13.440 everyone’s saying.
00:58:14.240 >> I I know. It’s It’s like Okay. Um No,
00:58:18.960 they’re they actually have a planned
00:58:21.839 attack for the day. Okay. So, they’re
00:58:24.000 going from one spot to the next. If an
00:58:26.559 officer in that capacity tells you to
00:58:30.000 back up, that is a lawful order. Okay?
00:58:34.079 If you are protesting,
00:58:35.599 >> that’s not just a suggestion.
00:58:37.119 >> That is not a suggestion. That is a do
00:58:39.839 it or else. Okay? And so, uh, again, so
00:58:44.000 we talk about this individual coming to
00:58:45.920 this woman’s rescue. He’s going to be
00:58:47.680 the hero. He’s got the white cape and
00:58:49.520 the white horse. And um so uh he’s
00:58:55.280 he’s in the find out phase of the FA
00:58:59.200 phase. [laughter]
00:59:02.799 He’s he’s left the FA and gone into the
00:59:06.319 FO. All right. So [laughter] and once
00:59:09.599 you’ve done that, there’s really no
00:59:11.440 turning back. Okay. So the officer now
00:59:14.799 is he’s got to protect himself. he’s got
00:59:17.440 to protect the other officers that are
00:59:19.119 there and and control the situation.
00:59:22.400 Okay. So, um now I I’ve seen multiple
00:59:27.040 angles of this. I’ve seen I I’ve I’ve
00:59:30.480 seen what I think is available to the
00:59:34.559 public right now.
00:59:36.720 And um I I saw an individual and the
00:59:40.640 first time I saw it, the individual walk
00:59:42.559 up and take the gun out of the holster
00:59:46.319 of this individual, right? And I was
00:59:48.720 thinking to myself, who was that,
00:59:51.520 you know? So
00:59:52.559 >> cuz you don’t know who’s who.
00:59:54.160 >> Yeah. I was like, is that another
00:59:55.920 officer? Was that a civilian? Did you
00:59:58.319 know what was that? I was really So I
01:00:00.559 was trying to follow that, right? Um,
01:00:03.760 but again, we look at somebody is
01:00:06.799 yelling gun gun.
01:00:09.520 That’s that’s a trigger, if you will,
01:00:12.480 for law enforcement to say there is a
01:00:15.280 viable threat.
01:00:18.079 The officers, you can see the circle
01:00:20.880 widen really quickly. Okay. And and an
01:00:25.440 officer draw and start shooting. Now, it
01:00:29.520 appears. So, when I went back and
01:00:31.440 started looking at the video, it appears
01:00:33.920 that he’s reaching out for something,
01:00:36.880 >> whether that’s a phone or a magazine or
01:00:39.680 I don’t know what it is. I can’t really
01:00:41.520 see it in the video. The when you zoom
01:00:43.599 in, the video gets really grainy, so I
01:00:46.079 can’t tell what it is. But if I’m on top
01:00:48.720 of somebody and I’m looking down at
01:00:50.960 somebody because he’s on the ground and
01:00:53.680 an officer is yelling, "Gun, gun, gun,"
01:00:56.400 the only thing that I can really
01:00:58.480 perceive from that is that he’s got a
01:01:01.440 gun in one hand and he’s reaching
01:01:04.079 >> for something
01:01:04.720 >> for something
01:01:06.240 >> to load. And if it’s a magazine and he’s
01:01:08.640 going to put it in his gun, he’s going
01:01:10.400 to have something to shoot back or or or
01:01:16.000 cause threat, right? Great bodily injury
01:01:18.559 or death to me or somebody else in my
01:01:22.799 circle. So, uh that’s the only thing
01:01:26.240 that I can derive from watching this
01:01:29.680 these videos over and over and talking
01:01:31.920 to people and watching what other people
01:01:34.720 are talking about it. But I really
01:01:36.640 wanted to get the perspective of of the
01:01:38.799 optic nerve and the brain and what it
01:01:41.119 sees and how long it takes.
01:01:43.520 >> That’s absolutely outstanding
01:01:45.280 information that we’ve never heard
01:01:46.799 anywhere before. And it it really
01:01:50.799 flies in the face of a lot of the
01:01:52.559 emotion that you hear from people like
01:01:53.839 Megan was talking about earlier where
01:01:55.359 you feel like this is just an officer
01:01:56.799 who’s got it in for this guy and is
01:01:58.319 taking out his aggression. That’s that’s
01:02:00.400 not what it is. And I think that’s when
01:02:03.280 people hear what happens in in court
01:02:07.040 much much later on and they think to
01:02:09.359 themselves, I saw the video. I saw what
01:02:11.520 was going on. How can this be the result
01:02:13.760 in court? And in court, you have the
01:02:16.799 ability to go through it methodically
01:02:20.400 with experts, break it all down, and
01:02:23.200 talk about the statistics like that so
01:02:25.119 that a jury sees exactly what you’re
01:02:27.760 talking about.
01:02:28.640 >> You can’t put the jury there. Yeah.
01:02:31.280 >> Right. The officer has milliseconds to
01:02:34.880 make decisions. So that’s why we train
01:02:37.359 at that level, right? Because we’re
01:02:39.760 we’re making those decisions long before
01:02:43.520 we get in the car that morning, right?
01:02:46.400 Why does a police officer touch your
01:02:48.400 vehicle as he’s approaching for a
01:02:50.960 traffic stop?
01:02:52.240 >> I don’t know.
01:02:53.520 >> I don’t know the answer [clears throat]
01:02:54.160 to that either.
01:02:54.880 >> He’s counting the steps.
01:02:57.760 >> Oh. Because if he gets up there and he
01:03:00.960 looks in your car and you stick a muzzle
01:03:04.319 in his face, he knows how many steps
01:03:06.799 he’s got to back up
01:03:09.839 to draw his gun and fire through the
01:03:12.799 back window into your melon.
01:03:16.640 >> Wow.
01:03:17.839 >> So again, it’s something that we train
01:03:20.880 where we start counting. How many steps
01:03:24.240 did it take me to get there? So, I know
01:03:27.359 how many steps I’ve got to back up to
01:03:30.079 get the right angle into the back window
01:03:32.559 because if I stop short or I stop too
01:03:34.640 long.
01:03:36.799 >> But there’s so many I think the way that
01:03:39.680 the propaganda works is they absolutely
01:03:43.839 make cops be the bad guy because they’re
01:03:46.000 not mind readaders of the intention of
01:03:48.400 the person.
01:03:49.200 >> Sure.
01:03:49.760 >> You know, it’s, you know, Renee Good
01:03:51.520 says, "I’m not mad at you." you know,
01:03:54.240 they just take that sound bite or they
01:03:57.440 take what looks like this poor innocent
01:04:00.079 man that just looks like, you know, your
01:04:01.599 uncle Tim. I don’t have an Uncle Tim,
01:04:03.280 but that, you know, [snorts] oh, he
01:04:05.119 didn’t mean it. He ate barbecue at our
01:04:07.760 house last week. You know, you want
01:04:09.680 these police officers to be mind readers
01:04:12.079 to know he was just going to wiggle
01:04:13.599 around for a little bit and then he
01:04:15.039 wasn’t going to pull anything. These are
01:04:17.359 trained people, you know, and it’s not
01:04:19.280 the same because obviously it’s an
01:04:21.039 animal, but I there’s this new trend
01:04:22.960 going on where people go by
01:04:26.640 buffalo or um elk, not elk, what’s the
01:04:31.280 big moose? And you go and you take a
01:04:33.839 picture in front of them and these moose
01:04:37.039 go and they go chasing after this person
01:04:40.400 and in the comments you read, "You
01:04:42.884 [snorts] dummy." Of course. What’ you
01:04:44.720 think? Of course. What’ you think? And
01:04:47.440 you’re not I think that what they don’t
01:04:50.160 realize is those cops when they go on
01:04:52.079 duty, they put on duty brain and you’re
01:04:54.640 like, I’m on duty. I’m scanning. You’re
01:04:56.720 still a human, but you’re more scanning,
01:04:59.119 counting, doing that. Like count how
01:05:01.119 many cops really like walk up to their
01:05:02.880 own car and count how many steps. Like
01:05:04.400 when they get into that car and they put
01:05:06.160 on that uniform, they get into mode. I
01:05:08.160 know when you are going for a deposition
01:05:10.880 or you’re doing something in court, I
01:05:13.200 get court. Ken, he wakes up in the
01:05:14.799 morning. [laughter] He’s going to get
01:05:15.760 his outfit, his his uniform, his suit
01:05:18.559 on. He’s very, you know, he’s constantly
01:05:21.440 thinking about that case. I’m not going
01:05:23.200 to be able to talk to him about anything
01:05:24.640 else because that’s all his brain is on.
01:05:26.880 That’s all he’s able to focus on. That’s
01:05:28.720 all he’s doing. Where people are not
01:05:32.480 considering the fact that when you’re
01:05:34.319 dealing with police officers, they’re
01:05:36.559 absolutely focused on their job at that
01:05:39.680 moment and they’re thinking about their
01:05:42.240 the people next to them. they’re think I
01:05:43.920 mean the their officers next to them and
01:05:45.760 things like that and you know I just
01:05:49.039 think then emotion overrides that and
01:05:51.200 going look it this guy is being a Nazi
01:05:55.280 killing Uncle Tim who just wanted to be
01:05:57.440 like don’t do this like they make it so
01:06:00.079 innocent
01:06:00.720 >> and then you add in that we’re living in
01:06:02.960 an era of the sound bite
01:06:04.880 >> y
01:06:05.280 >> that that people are looking for the
01:06:07.599 sound bites and the video clips to post
01:06:09.839 on social media and for the media to to
01:06:12.480 blast over the airwaves. We’re living in
01:06:14.960 a sound bite era and and so they’re
01:06:17.920 looking for that type of of volatile
01:06:20.720 information.
01:06:22.799 >> Isn’t that so true? We’re looking for
01:06:24.319 likes. We’re looking for it to go viral.
01:06:27.119 You know, we got to have that viral hit.
01:06:29.440 Um I don’t do a whole lot of social
01:06:31.680 media. This is about as
01:06:33.760 >> as social.
01:06:34.559 >> Yeah. As social as I get. [laughter] Um
01:06:37.039 but I also live a different lifestyle,
01:06:40.160 >> right? Uh unfortunately I’ve seen um you
01:06:43.520 know the human race is the most vicious
01:06:46.160 animal on the planet.
01:06:47.359 >> Oh yeah.
01:06:48.000 >> And I’ve seen what governments can do to
01:06:49.839 people and um and it’s unfortunate that
01:06:53.280 uh that that a lot of people live um
01:06:57.440 clueless in in what that happens and
01:07:00.160 then they put themselves in a situation
01:07:01.920 and they oh wow what how did this
01:07:05.680 happen? And uh and so I again if you’re
01:07:09.039 going to protest I you have a right to
01:07:11.200 protest protest
01:07:12.720 >> but do it peacefully and do it lawfully
01:07:15.680 >> and if you are lawfully allowed Yeah. If
01:07:18.240 you if you’re lawfully allowed to have a
01:07:20.000 weapon,
01:07:20.960 >> you can take it.
01:07:21.920 >> Yeah. Absolutely. I’m I’m never going to
01:07:24.640 But again, look at the lawful but awful
01:07:26.880 kind of thing. I mean, I’ve got lots of
01:07:28.559 stories in a CCW class um that that kind
01:07:32.160 of allude to situations. this is lawful,
01:07:35.599 but it turned awful. Okay? And uh and
01:07:39.520 only because
01:07:41.520 um you didn’t think it all the way
01:07:43.359 through,
01:07:43.839 >> right? Just just because you can say,
01:07:46.000 "I’m in the right here," doesn’t mean it
01:07:47.760 won’t go south.
01:07:48.559 >> Yeah. You can have your rights all you
01:07:50.079 want in jail.
01:07:51.200 >> Yeah.
01:07:52.240 >> All right. Because that’s where it’s
01:07:53.920 going to give you. So again, think just
01:07:56.559 think uh about um I want you to if you
01:08:00.480 disagree with something, protest. I I’m
01:08:02.799 not saying don’t protest.
01:08:05.760 Do it peacefully. Do it legally. Um do
01:08:09.119 it lawfully. Okay? That’s how you’re
01:08:12.240 going to be heard. If you’re just
01:08:15.200 a voice out there, you’re not going to
01:08:17.040 be they’re not going to listen to you.
01:08:19.600 Get on the phone. Talk to your uh
01:08:22.719 representative. Talk to your your
01:08:24.799 senators. Talk to those those people
01:08:26.960 back there. Talk to local people.
01:08:30.319 That’s where change happens. get
01:08:32.080 involved. We don’t we don’t teach civics
01:08:35.600 anymore in school.
01:08:36.799 >> Well, it’s because they’d rather be
01:08:38.000 emotional and just be out there and, you
01:08:39.679 know, waving the fist. And like Phoenix,
01:08:42.080 they were just talking about how they
01:08:43.520 went and we we don’t know the full
01:08:44.960 details with zips. They think that they
01:08:46.560 were just going in there and getting
01:08:48.319 illegals. But there’s more to that story
01:08:50.399 that they’re not talking about. But they
01:08:52.880 said that people are now saying, "Let’s
01:08:54.479 protest with guns, with big guns. Let’s
01:08:56.719 go out there with our big guns." I mean,
01:08:58.799 is that’s that’s one of those things
01:09:00.479 that sounds legal but messy. If you’re
01:09:02.560 telling everybody, "Let’s protest and
01:09:04.880 everybody bring your guns." Isn’t that
01:09:07.600 kind of like charging the situ like kind
01:09:09.920 of like inciting?
01:09:11.279 >> You’re absolutely escalating this this
01:09:13.839 situation. It becomes very fluid.
01:09:17.198 >> And what I mean really is is
01:09:21.600 the shot heard around the world. Who
01:09:24.158 took that shot? Right. So, and it turned
01:09:27.920 into a revolution, right? So, um you
01:09:30.880 have to be careful because you bring a
01:09:32.560 gun to a situation, a law enforcement
01:09:34.880 officer, every scenario he’s in, there
01:09:38.640 is a gun involved
01:09:40.880 >> because he brought it,
01:09:41.759 >> right? But whether the other person has
01:09:43.600 it or not, he brought one. So, it’s
01:09:46.399 escalated,
01:09:47.120 >> right? And then something else before I
01:09:48.880 forgot and I just remembered. Yeah, you
01:09:50.560 had said
01:09:52.080 >> intent also you can be accused of intent
01:09:55.440 with depending on the bullets you have
01:09:57.120 on you and how many bullets you’re
01:09:59.520 carrying to something.
01:10:00.719 >> Yeah, sure.
01:10:01.280 >> So people don’t realize like you can’t
01:10:03.199 go somewhere and saying I didn’t intend
01:10:04.800 to do any harm, but you have 3,000
01:10:06.800 bullets on your body. Not like you’re
01:10:09.679 really going to carry, but can you
01:10:10.719 explain that a little bit more?
01:10:12.080 >> Yeah. So uh when we look at AOJ so
01:10:15.360 ability, opportunity and jeopardy.
01:10:17.360 Jeopardy sometimes is called intent.
01:10:20.320 Okay. Uh so what was their intention? We
01:10:23.040 can’t really know what their intention
01:10:25.360 was, but but we Okay, you got a bag with
01:10:29.280 50 magazines in it with 30 rounds in
01:10:33.600 each magazine.
01:10:35.520 Your intent was pretty obvious here to
01:10:38.880 do mass casualty. Okay. Uh, average
01:10:42.960 concealed weapons
01:10:44.960 carrier
01:10:46.480 maybe carry one extra magazine. Maybe.
01:10:50.000 Most, I would say, carry the gun.
01:10:52.880 >> So, with this Alex, he had two extra.
01:10:55.120 >> He had two extra magazines. So, could
01:10:56.719 that go to intent?
01:10:58.080 >> Without a doubt. Without that comes into
01:11:00.000 evidence,
01:11:00.640 >> right? Okay. I carry one extra magazine.
01:11:05.600 Okay. Each of my magazines carries 18
01:11:08.239 rounds. Okay. I’d rather have them than
01:11:11.520 not need them than need them and not
01:11:13.360 have them.
01:11:13.760 >> But you probably carry 14 guns.
01:11:16.159 >> I I [laughter] certainly
01:11:18.000 >> affirm or deny.
01:11:19.360 >> Yeah.
01:11:20.400 >> I I I certainly have access to
01:11:22.960 >> Jeff is probably one of those guys.
01:11:25.059 [laughter]
01:11:25.679 >> We thought you were bald. No, he pulls
01:11:28.159 out a gun.
01:11:28.960 >> But think about my firearm. My pistol
01:11:31.760 that I carry on my waist is for what?
01:11:35.760 >> Self-defense.
01:11:37.360 No, it’s to get me to my truck.
01:11:40.640 >> Okay.
01:11:41.280 >> Where I have a vest,
01:11:42.960 >> I have a helmet.
01:11:44.320 >> I have a long gun
01:11:46.960 >> because I’m not going to have a gunfight
01:11:49.520 with a pistol, but it’s to get me to So,
01:11:54.480 I have something to get me to my truck.
01:11:56.640 Now, reason would say that when I get to
01:11:59.440 my truck, Yeah. I don’t need to go back
01:12:01.440 in there.
01:12:01.920 >> Right.
01:12:02.239 >> Yeah.
01:12:02.960 >> Right.
01:12:03.600 >> Right. I got out of the situation. I I’m
01:12:07.920 let the guys that are paid to do that go
01:12:10.159 do that. Hopefully that takes process um
01:12:14.480 getting away from the situation. Let
01:12:17.120 everything calm down. Get in the truck
01:12:18.640 and drive away because if I grab my gun
01:12:22.159 and I go back in there,
01:12:23.520 >> now you’ve shown intent.
01:12:24.719 >> Yeah.
01:12:25.360 >> Now you’ve shown premeditation.
01:12:26.880 >> There we go.
01:12:27.280 >> Premeditation.
01:12:28.800 >> Okay. So, don’t want to. But my my
01:12:32.080 pistol, if you think about your pistol
01:12:34.320 as being a device, a tool to get you to
01:12:38.080 your vehicle,
01:12:40.719 >> that’s the way you think about it.
01:12:41.840 >> Get you out of it, right? Because I want
01:12:43.760 to give you a reason not to shoot
01:12:45.120 somebody.
01:12:45.600 >> Yeah.
01:12:46.560 >> Why? Why? It’s going to change your
01:12:48.800 life.
01:12:50.640 >> Yeah. Whether they think it or not, it
01:12:52.159 will.
01:12:52.640 >> Yeah. If you shoot somebody,
01:12:54.880 >> it’s going to change your life. In the
01:12:56.560 CCW class that I teach, I teach you a
01:12:59.360 reason not to shoot.
01:13:01.520 Why? Why are you going to shoot? Why? If
01:13:03.760 you’re somebody that says, "Hey, I want
01:13:05.440 to I want to get in a gunfight."
01:13:08.239 I don’t know. You’re No, you don’t want
01:13:11.920 to get in a gunfight.
01:13:13.040 >> No.
01:13:15.600 >> All right.
01:13:18.080 >> I don’t know. I just think it’s all so
01:13:19.760 messy. Hopefully, I some something
01:13:23.120 happens. But I feel like as long as
01:13:24.800 Trump is president, there’s going to be
01:13:26.960 a lot more of this to come.
01:13:29.760 >> But I think if we if we look at the at
01:13:32.159 the statutes of the state, we look at
01:13:34.000 the constitution,
01:13:35.920 um you know, uh at least we start on
01:13:39.199 common ground.
01:13:40.000 >> I like that. I mean, if some people you
01:13:42.640 can’t talk to because they just
01:13:44.320 >> But but we need to have a civil debate
01:13:46.960 about the scenarios.
01:13:48.480 >> Yeah.
01:13:48.800 >> Yeah. Totally agree. Um, you know,
01:13:51.520 unfortunately we had one administration
01:13:53.280 that opened the door and we got an
01:13:56.159 administration that closed the door.
01:13:57.679 Right. And and so um again, right, wrong
01:14:01.920 or indifferent, however you feel about
01:14:03.679 that, I really don’t I don’t care.
01:14:05.760 >> Right.
01:14:06.560 >> Right. So, but we need to need to figure
01:14:10.239 out the situation.
01:14:12.320 >> Absolutely.
01:14:13.520 >> All right. Well, yeah, that was some
01:14:15.280 great information. Uh, Meg, do you have
01:14:17.679 anything else that uh you wanted to
01:14:18.960 touch on today or does that cover it for
01:14:20.480 today?
01:14:21.199 >> No. The one thing that I want to talk
01:14:22.640 about that’s very serious is this year I
01:14:24.719 have yet to make my bacon buns. And so,
01:14:27.151 [laughter]
01:14:29.600 >> is this something that um I’m not aware.
01:14:32.000 >> You’re going to have some bacon buns on
01:14:33.520 Saturday.
01:14:34.159 >> Oh, wow. Yeah.
01:14:35.199 >> Yeah. They’re my dad’s bacon buns. And
01:14:36.960 so, what you do is you make dough. Oh,
01:14:39.520 you chop up bacon. Okay. A ton of it.
01:14:42.480 And you boil it.
01:14:43.679 >> I’m down at bacon. You don’t like Oh,
01:14:46.080 you don’t like
01:14:46.800 >> That’s all you needed to know.
01:14:48.480 >> Chop up a bunch of bacon and you boil it
01:14:50.719 with a little bit of water. And once the
01:14:52.239 water boils down, you still have the fat
01:14:54.080 and the ba boiled bacon. Then you put
01:14:57.440 that in a a meatloaf pan and you let
01:14:59.840 that cool in the refrigerator and get
01:15:01.199 the fat hardened. Then you make dough,
01:15:03.679 this like yummy dough, and you spread it
01:15:06.480 out. Let that rise. And then you make
01:15:07.840 circles about this big. You take a
01:15:09.520 tablespoon of the bacon that’s boiled
01:15:12.000 and the fat. You put it in the middle
01:15:14.400 and then you make this little thing and
01:15:16.400 you bake them and then so when you bite
01:15:18.480 it, the fat goes throughout the dough
01:15:21.520 and you have like chunks of bacon in the
01:15:23.760 middle. [laughter]
01:15:25.120 >> I’m in.
01:15:25.760 >> It’s delicious. So, I’m
01:15:27.199 >> You had me a bacon. I’m done.
01:15:29.040 >> You had me a bacon. But that’s all
01:15:31.199 that’s all I had to add. I had because I
01:15:32.880 was thinking I’m hungry a lot.
01:15:34.000 >> All right. So, anybody who needs the
01:15:35.520 recipe for bacon buns, reach out to
01:15:37.120 Megan directly. And uh listen, I might
01:15:40.080 give it to you.
01:15:40.640 >> Yeah. Thanks for watching and uh
01:15:42.800 >> and and with Jeff if they want to
01:15:44.159 contact Jeff once again. How do they
01:15:45.760 contact you if they want their CCW or
01:15:47.840 training from you?
01:15:48.640 >> Arizona Firearmsin Instructors.com. I
01:15:51.040 really focus on teaching instructors.
01:15:52.960 That is the the principal part of my
01:15:54.960 business. But I do offer CCW classes,
01:15:57.600 CCW instructor classes, uh where you,
01:16:00.960 you know, you become a student of the
01:16:02.560 law. And I I I gotta be honest with you.
01:16:05.040 If you’re not a student of the law and
01:16:06.640 you’re carrying a gun, you’re you’re
01:16:08.400 setting yourself up for failure,
01:16:10.000 unfortunately.
01:16:10.800 >> Couldn’t agree more. Couldn’t agree
01:16:12.400 more. Thanks, Jeff. Really appreciate
01:16:14.080 you being here. Always great
01:16:15.360 conversation.
01:16:16.960 >> And uh thanks for tuning in. We’ll see
01:16:18.800 you next time. But don’t forget, we also
01:16:21.120 run a personal injury law firm, Gerber
01:16:23.280 Injury Law. So, if you or anybody you
01:16:25.520 know needs help with an injury, please
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01:16:27.840 >> Can you remind them um we are actually
01:16:30.159 giving away 12. Tomorrow’s the first
01:16:32.320 day. Defensive driving classes that are
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01:16:39.199 go online and you fill out the form if
01:16:41.840 you want to be a part of that. It’s age
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01:16:45.600 give it to families that are in need.
01:16:47.520 So, if so, if you can afford it, just
01:16:49.199 let other people sign up for it. There’s
01:16:51.040 a section that you can fill out to say
01:16:52.560 why you feel you deserve it. And what’s
01:16:54.239 great about what’s what’s the it’s a
01:16:57.440 driving MBA. And if you’re not up to
01:17:00.800 date with your driving uh lessons, they
01:17:03.199 will cover that for you. So that’s
01:17:04.880 really good. This is no cost to you
01:17:07.120 every single month. If you don’t win
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01:17:11.040 it out because we don’t want that last
01:17:13.440 person having to, you know, go through
01:17:16.000 however many people sign up for the
01:17:17.360 whole year. So every month we redo it.
01:17:19.440 And tomorrow we will be or to well,
01:17:21.440 we’ll be posting this tomorrow. So we
01:17:23.520 will be announcing the young man or
01:17:26.960 woman that won that.
01:17:28.480 >> Very cool. what we do try and make the
01:17:30.320 world a safer and better place. So,
01:17:32.159 thanks for watching.
01:17:33.120 >> Thank you.