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BOB HUGHES | ELECTION FRAUD, ARIZONA UFOS, KARI LAKE WON?, PROPHECY AND THE FUTURE OF VOTING

00:00:00.080 Thank you for joining us on
00:00:01.439 cross-examine with the Gerbers. I’m
00:00:02.879 Megan Gerber. This is Ken Gerber and
00:00:05.120 this is our special guest, Bob Hughes.
00:00:07.120 Welcome today, Bob.
00:00:08.400 >> Thank you. Thank you for having me.
00:00:10.240 >> Yeah, of course. So, do you want to give
00:00:12.320 a little bit of a background of Bob? I
00:00:14.000 mean, it’s like I call him Forest Gump.
00:00:17.039 >> Yeah, the stories are just unending.
00:00:19.119 Bob’s a great friend. We’ve known each
00:00:20.720 other how many years now, Bob?
00:00:22.640 >> We were just saying Skyla’s 15 and Y,
00:00:25.920 >> he was two when we met. Yeah, it’s crazy
00:00:28.960 how time flies,
00:00:30.400 >> but uh I the the story of our meeting is
00:00:34.960 very random and so we we got to know
00:00:38.000 each other quite well and you started
00:00:39.520 telling us these stories and random
00:00:41.680 meetings and random things are kind of
00:00:43.760 the story of your life. So exactly I
00:00:45.920 thought it’d be a good idea for us to at
00:00:47.280 least start off and talk the randomness
00:00:49.120 of our meeting and then just kind of go
00:00:50.960 from there.
00:00:51.520 >> Go from there. Yeah.
00:00:52.399 >> Yeah. Well, and and it’s kind of
00:00:54.719 interesting because I used to think
00:00:56.160 there were coincidences until I’ve now
00:00:58.320 learned that there are no coincidences
00:01:00.719 in God’s plans.
00:01:02.079 >> Oh, that’s so true. He has all of our
00:01:04.559 days planned for us.
00:01:06.080 >> That’s true.
00:01:07.040 >> Yeah. Well, I was looking for a water
00:01:09.520 purification system and Bob came over
00:01:13.280 and all we’re thinking about is, oh,
00:01:15.520 we’re going to be buying this water
00:01:17.439 purification system. And then little do
00:01:19.520 I know he’s talking about golfing with
00:01:21.920 princes and you know uh go knowing
00:01:26.240 Britney Spears for a minute and his son
00:01:29.119 was in a band like so many things and we
00:01:32.640 ended up I think sitting there for about
00:01:34.240 five hours [laughter]
00:01:35.680 >> listening to all these stories and just
00:01:38.079 in disbelief but after all these years
00:01:40.799 we know it’s true. Well, it’s there’s a
00:01:43.600 a movie years ago that came out called
00:01:45.680 The Big Fish, and I don’t remember who’s
00:01:48.560 in it, but I remember the the story of
00:01:50.560 it is this guy that travels around and
00:01:52.560 he keeps coming home and telling his
00:01:54.240 family where he’s been and what he’s
00:01:56.320 been doing,
00:01:56.880 >> right?
00:01:57.520 >> And nobody believes him,
00:01:59.200 >> right?
00:01:59.680 >> And and he dies and all these people
00:02:03.119 show up and say, "Oh, you’re you know,
00:02:05.040 your [laughter] granddad was this great
00:02:06.799 guy." I have I have to admit to you now
00:02:10.239 after all these years after you left
00:02:12.239 that night you thought what a
00:02:13.840 >> man they said to each other this guy is
00:02:15.680 either the greatest BSER ever or his
00:02:18.720 stories are this incredible.
00:02:20.400 >> I think even that night you got into
00:02:21.920 Have you ever heard of the T1 line or
00:02:24.560 dot matress? I had the yellow pages and
00:02:27.440 the T1 line is because I had them make
00:02:30.000 me the T1.
00:02:30.720 >> We needed Yeah. it you know what it’s
00:02:32.879 always comes down to necessity and when
00:02:35.440 you’re doing new things at a new time
00:02:37.920 when things haven’t been done before you
00:02:41.200 in fact you know we get credited my my
00:02:44.000 cousin and I get credited with creating
00:02:45.519 the first digital printed photograph
00:02:48.800 you know we sort of invented it sort of
00:02:51.280 created it but the thing is is that any
00:02:53.280 creation of anything always stands on
00:02:56.640 all the other things that came before it
00:02:58.319 because until all those things are
00:02:59.920 already made you can’t combine them in a
00:03:02.400 new way and make something new,
00:03:03.840 >> right?
00:03:04.159 >> No, when you look at the Bible, it says
00:03:06.400 nothing’s new is really under the sun.
00:03:08.400 We don’t really create anything. We just
00:03:10.080 use them in new ways. And that’s really
00:03:12.560 kind of a big part of it. Um, so a lot
00:03:16.080 of, you know, a lot of things,
00:03:18.720 they seem coincidental and but I guess
00:03:22.159 we can talk about some of them and
00:03:23.440 you’ll see that they they’re not as
00:03:25.680 coincidental as they seem when you get
00:03:27.440 to the end of it. Well, and so you you
00:03:29.920 were working for this water purification
00:03:33.280 company working in in quotations. You
00:03:35.599 were [laughter]
00:03:36.799 >> turns out you’re you’re just this
00:03:38.799 marketing guru is what it is. And you
00:03:42.000 happen to show up on a sales call for us
00:03:45.040 just out of the blue.
00:03:46.480 >> Well, it it’s a little crazier even than
00:03:49.440 that. I had moved to California and this
00:03:51.920 water company had four or five
00:03:53.519 salespeople and they were working out of
00:03:54.879 a garage and I was trying to make a
00:03:57.519 point to one of my salesmen. I had 16 or
00:03:59.760 17 salesmen in this printing company I
00:04:01.519 was managing that did direct mail and I
00:04:04.480 said to and so I used to like to instead
00:04:07.200 of telling people what to do I would
00:04:09.840 show them what to do. So instead of
00:04:11.920 saying well you should have done this
00:04:13.280 you should have said that. you should
00:04:14.400 have done. You know, I’d say, "Come on,
00:04:15.840 get in the car." And we’d go because
00:04:18.478 he’d said, "Well, I tried to make the
00:04:20.000 sales call and I, you know, they won’t
00:04:21.600 even listen." So, we get over to this
00:04:24.080 guy and the guy’s sitting out on the the
00:04:26.240 driveway smoking a cigar and I glance in
00:04:29.440 his thing and I realize he’s got some
00:04:31.680 some um things from Kentucky. This is
00:04:34.560 one of those I didn’t realize, but it’s
00:04:36.320 one of those other crazy stories. So, I
00:04:39.600 walk over to him and I said, "Hey,
00:04:41.040 you’re from Kentucky? My god, I’m a
00:04:43.040 Kentucky colonel. And he looks at me,
00:04:45.583 [laughter]
00:04:47.919 what? And he, you know, he does one of
00:04:51.120 these. Why? And I said, oh, it’s a long
00:04:53.360 story, but I can explain. And he said,
00:04:55.759 no, before we go any further, explain.
00:04:58.639 And it’s a weird story because I was
00:05:00.960 printing a book years and years before,
00:05:03.520 and this is probably would have been in
00:05:05.840 the early 80s sometime. And uh there was
00:05:10.479 a they were printing a book and trying
00:05:12.320 to promote I was printing the book and
00:05:14.720 it was from Kentucky. And the guy said,
00:05:17.120 "Oh, my this lady I’m working with is
00:05:19.759 trying to promote cheerleading."
00:05:22.479 And I thought, "Well, that’s random."
00:05:23.840 You know, cheerleading. My wife used to
00:05:25.840 be a cheerleader. So I say, "Oh, my wife
00:05:27.600 used to be a cheerleader. She was in
00:05:29.199 cheer competitions." Turns out they had
00:05:31.440 cheer competitions. And I saying to him,
00:05:34.479 well, you know, if you marketed it
00:05:36.880 better and did more things and made, you
00:05:39.039 know, made it a bigger thing, you could
00:05:40.560 probably Anyway, over the next six
00:05:42.560 months or so, I ended up working with
00:05:44.960 this lady who ends up being Phyllis
00:05:48.000 George, who’s married to John Y. Brown,
00:05:50.560 who’s the the governor of Kentucky.
00:05:53.600 And it turns out this thing becomes a
00:05:56.160 really big deal,
00:05:58.320 and it becomes very successful. And so I
00:06:02.400 don’t know which one of them decided to
00:06:03.759 do it, but one of them went and made me
00:06:06.639 I guess the governor can do it. He made
00:06:08.160 me a Kentucky colonel and they sent me a
00:06:10.080 proclamation of my you know so I didn’t
00:06:12.800 do anything with it other than you know
00:06:14.319 I one of those things in my closet but
00:06:17.039 it comes in handy because now I’m
00:06:18.479 talking to a guy from Kentucky and he
00:06:19.919 just me [laughter] Kentucky girls are
00:06:21.520 really big deal. So I tell him this
00:06:24.160 story and he sits down he goes man
00:06:25.840 that’s the craziest you know thing. So
00:06:29.120 now every year I get an invitation to go
00:06:30.880 to the the Kentucky Derby and I get to
00:06:33.360 invited to a dinner for Kentucky
00:06:35.600 Colonels.
00:06:36.000 >> Oh my gosh.
00:06:36.639 >> Anyway, I’ve never gone, but but so you
00:06:39.440 end up having that that thing. So I use
00:06:42.240 it and I get to talking to him. Turns
00:06:44.240 out they have three salesmen and himself
00:06:46.160 and they sell I don’t know how many
00:06:47.840 systems a year. And so I start telling
00:06:50.319 him, "Look, I could mail this thing out
00:06:52.080 and it could be much more successful
00:06:54.160 than this. I guarantee you." And I said,
00:06:55.600 "I’ll tell you what. if I mail out
00:06:57.039 10,000 cards and it doesn’t pull better
00:06:58.800 than your 10,000. I’ll pay for mine and
00:07:01.199 the postage.
00:07:02.880 Well, he can’t turn that down. And well,
00:07:05.759 I So, I mail it. It pulls four times
00:07:08.000 what his did. And he’s like, "Okay, how
00:07:10.560 did you do that?" And so, I started
00:07:12.160 explaining it. Next thing I know, we
00:07:13.759 become friends. Um, he’s mailing out
00:07:16.560 10,000 once a month. When I finished up,
00:07:19.520 we were printing something like 30
00:07:21.599 million pieces.
00:07:22.880 >> Wow. you know, every year it was in
00:07:25.360 magazines. It was mailed out. You know,
00:07:27.840 he doesn’t have four three salesman as
00:07:29.840 himself, four of them. Now they’re in I
00:07:32.479 don’t know what they’re in 17 states now
00:07:34.240 and they have 40 or 50 salespeople all
00:07:37.039 over. And you know, he’s now a
00:07:38.400 multi-millionaire, you know. And so
00:07:41.120 years later, um they hired a new
00:07:43.680 marketing guy to take over and I went in
00:07:46.160 to bid the printing for him and he said,
00:07:48.560 "You know, your bid’s a little bit
00:07:50.319 high." And I said, "Sorry." And he said,
00:07:54.560 ‘Well, you know, I’m going to give this
00:07:56.160 to this other printer. And I said, "That
00:07:57.840 would be a huge mistake.
00:08:01.360 BJ okay with that. Guts guy owned it."
00:08:03.280 And he goes, "I make the decisions." I
00:08:05.360 said, "Okay."
00:08:07.199 So maybe three weeks goes by and I’ve of
00:08:11.280 course he can’t use my artwork. He has
00:08:12.960 to make his own. He has to do his own
00:08:14.400 stuff. Turns out he tries to pirate it.
00:08:17.199 He undersizes the piece and uses my
00:08:20.400 mailing indisha.
00:08:23.360 The post office calls me and said, "Hey,
00:08:25.280 there’s some guy down here that’s trying
00:08:27.039 to put postage in under your Indisha and
00:08:30.160 he’s not authorized on your account." I
00:08:32.719 said, "Oh, I know who that is."
00:08:34.179 [laughter]
00:08:35.440 So, I call up this company. Um, and I
00:08:38.399 said, "Hey, you know, your guy’s down
00:08:40.799 trying to mail that mail that he put
00:08:42.640 together." He goes, "Yeah." And I said,
00:08:45.040 "They’re not accepting." And he goes,
00:08:46.320 "Why not?" And I said, "The paper’s too
00:08:47.920 thin. He’s made it undized and he’s
00:08:50.720 trying to mail it on my indisha."
00:08:53.920 And he goes, "Well, can you fix it?" I
00:08:57.839 said, "That’s not my job, right?
00:08:59.760 >> That’s your job,
00:09:00.800 >> right? [laughter]
00:09:01.760 >> And since you decided to hire me, right?
00:09:03.680 >> Since you decided to put your new job on
00:09:05.760 the line,
00:09:07.920 >> good luck, [laughter] you know." So, you
00:09:10.959 know, hours go by, I don’t know, day
00:09:12.640 goes by and I get a call from the owner,
00:09:14.160 BJ, and he said, ‘Hey, Bob, you done
00:09:16.560 jerking his chain, you going to go fix
00:09:18.240 it? [laughter]
00:09:20.080 I said, "Yeah, if you’re never going to,
00:09:22.080 you know, print with those guys again."
00:09:24.320 He said, "I’ve explained to him our
00:09:26.399 situation and that all printing goes
00:09:28.160 through you. You’ll always print it. Can
00:09:30.399 you fix it?" I said, "I already have."
00:09:32.640 He said, "What?" I said, "It’s in the
00:09:34.240 mail and you owe me the postage. It’s on
00:09:36.800 my [laughter]
00:09:38.240 So,
00:09:38.640 >> that’s so funny. you end up with with
00:09:40.800 weird stories because you do things that
00:09:44.080 the one thing about printing being in
00:09:45.600 the printing business. My family’s
00:09:47.200 printing company in Arizona was the
00:09:48.720 largest in Arizona. Been here the
00:09:50.399 longest. So, I never planned on getting
00:09:52.959 into printing. I always thought that I
00:09:54.480 was going to go, you know, into
00:09:56.240 something else. In fact, we talked I was
00:09:58.240 thought I was going to be a lawyer at
00:09:59.600 one point,
00:10:00.320 >> right?
00:10:00.640 >> And then decided I didn’t like the
00:10:02.080 research and I said I’ll just stay in
00:10:03.600 the printing business as you know.
00:10:05.040 >> Wise choice. Yeah. Well, it’s so wise
00:10:06.800 that they look to you as a paper expert
00:10:09.680 for the 2020 election.
00:10:11.680 >> Yeah, they
00:10:12.640 >> that you you feel Trump won.
00:10:17.040 >> That’s an interesting way to get into
00:10:18.560 it. Yes. [laughter]
00:10:20.320 >> Have you got the K Have you ever played
00:10:22.000 Have you ever Have you ever played the
00:10:23.200 game 99? The card game. You got the K.
00:10:25.519 Play the K.
00:10:26.480 >> Yeah. Right. I um well let’s go back
00:10:30.320 because of the fact that we end up
00:10:31.839 creating one of the first digital
00:10:33.040 photographs and the first digital
00:10:34.640 printing systems. Uh, we printed all the
00:10:37.600 ballots for Arizona for many, many
00:10:39.440 years. 60, as best as we can tell, maybe
00:10:42.640 60 years. And I had taken that over when
00:10:45.279 I was about 20 years old. And um,
00:10:48.640 sometime in the late 70s or early 80s, I
00:10:52.000 I don’t know exactly, but uh, they
00:10:54.399 wanted to convert it to digital. And the
00:10:57.279 reason was we wanted to go off of hot
00:10:59.440 metal type setting. You know, printing
00:11:00.880 with lead, you know, the old way of
00:11:03.200 literally stamping the paper with the
00:11:05.519 >> and we were going to do it
00:11:06.480 photographically, but we were going to
00:11:08.240 use the digital. And the reason was they
00:11:11.600 had discovered technically when a ballot
00:11:14.399 is produced and if you put a particular
00:11:16.959 name first and a different name second,
00:11:19.839 a different name third, statistically
00:11:22.720 the first person listed will get like
00:11:25.440 20% more votes than the other people.
00:11:27.760 >> Oh, interesting.
00:11:28.399 >> It’s a completely unfair.
00:11:30.560 >> It has to do with who’s listed first
00:11:32.320 because people when they don’t know,
00:11:33.839 they just choose first. It’s just
00:11:36.480 >> lazy, random,
00:11:38.160 >> or [laughter] psychological. They think
00:11:40.480 they’re they’re number one. They must be
00:11:42.160 better. They’re, you know, whatever.
00:11:44.240 >> So, they had come to me at the time.
00:11:46.079 This is gosh, long time ago.
00:11:48.800 >> They said, "Is there a way that you can
00:11:50.640 do it?" So, we created a way to take the
00:11:53.040 metal type and literally stop the press
00:11:55.920 with a counter and rotate the pieces of
00:11:59.120 type, literally move one candidate’s
00:12:01.120 name above the other can and start the
00:12:02.560 press back up and run some more. Those
00:12:04.560 are the days when we would just
00:12:05.920 distribute those ballots and people
00:12:08.079 would get them. And now at random that
00:12:09.760 randomness of who’s on top was
00:12:12.160 eliminated. So then we decided to start
00:12:14.880 doing it digitally and we created the
00:12:17.120 first way to do a a digital random
00:12:19.360 ballot. So we could actually randomize a
00:12:21.920 lot more than just one candidate or
00:12:24.480 because when we’re doing it with the the
00:12:26.079 type, you had to just randomize just the
00:12:29.440 main election. maybe the mayor, maybe
00:12:31.600 the governor, maybe the the president,
00:12:34.320 you couldn’t do them all, but with it
00:12:36.800 being done digitally, you could do them
00:12:38.320 all.
00:12:39.120 >> Okay?
00:12:39.440 >> And so, we created the first ballot. And
00:12:41.600 and you don’t realize what permutations
00:12:43.839 and combinations that does. And this is
00:12:46.720 kind of get you into why they first of
00:12:49.120 all, I’m I’m I’m an expert on printing.
00:12:51.600 I’m an expert on ink, an expert on paper
00:12:54.160 because number one, I’ve been in it 50
00:12:56.480 years. You have to learn it if you’re
00:12:57.920 going to run it, you know, manage it.
00:12:59.760 But I also taught at ASU and I taught
00:13:02.560 those courses for for um the business or
00:13:05.600 the the engineering courses at ASU. So
00:13:08.800 anyway,
00:13:10.399 because I knew ballots and we had done
00:13:12.399 some of the first digital ballots when
00:13:15.680 there was a problem in 2016 and actually
00:13:17.680 goes back to 2016. Um even though Trump
00:13:20.720 won, they saw some things that they
00:13:23.680 didn’t think were
00:13:26.000 kosher. let’s say they saw some things
00:13:28.480 they thought might be wrong and they
00:13:30.720 they started asking people that they
00:13:32.560 thought would know and because the
00:13:34.800 ballots were starting to be mailed they
00:13:36.399 were start and I had run I’d been the
00:13:38.480 president of the direct mail marketing
00:13:40.320 association I knew mailing I had been in
00:13:43.360 charge of the the digital printing
00:13:45.519 association I’d been the president of
00:13:46.880 the printing ind industries association
00:13:49.600 I had been the president of the direct
00:13:51.040 marketing association of Los Angeles
00:13:54.000 I was well known for a lot of things in
00:13:56.000 printing a lot lots of big printing
00:13:57.920 companies. And so, um, when they started
00:14:00.880 looking for experts that knew about
00:14:02.560 these things, my name kept popping up.
00:14:05.600 And so, it popped up enough that they
00:14:07.600 said, "We ought to talk to them." And
00:14:09.600 so, they asked me, "Could you look into
00:14:11.360 this?" And my first response was, "If
00:14:14.480 you understood how complicated it was to
00:14:16.800 put together a ballot and how
00:14:18.240 complicated it would be to, there’s no
00:14:20.000 way anybody could cheat and get away
00:14:21.519 with it. So there’s no way anybody would
00:14:23.120 have cheated because it would be obvious
00:14:24.880 and you’d catch them in a heartbeat,
00:14:26.639 >> right?
00:14:27.360 >> And their answer was good. [laughter] Go
00:14:31.040 look at this.
00:14:32.079 >> That’s what we want you for.
00:14:33.040 >> That’s what we want, right?
00:14:34.320 >> Cuz I said, there’s no way. I mean, cuz
00:14:36.560 see here, let me give you an example,
00:14:38.079 okay? If you take your voter
00:14:39.680 registration card, the ballot that you
00:14:42.800 get is completely unique and identical
00:14:46.240 and and individualized to you.
00:14:48.880 >> Mhm. And every other ballot is
00:14:52.000 individualized to the next person. And
00:14:55.040 something else you’d not know is that
00:14:57.040 ballots aren’t printed off digital
00:14:58.959 printers in alphabetical order or in
00:15:02.880 some random order. They’re not printed
00:15:05.040 that way. They’re printed in something
00:15:07.199 called carrier route walk sequence in
00:15:09.760 the way that they’re mailed. They’re
00:15:11.600 literally every ballot that comes next,
00:15:14.800 that group of ballots is broken down.
00:15:17.120 They’re strapped together. They’re tied
00:15:18.720 up. And that bundle of ballots goes
00:15:20.880 directly to one postman in one post
00:15:23.680 office. So every ballot is sequential to
00:15:27.920 that order. And you’d never, you know,
00:15:30.639 if you’re going to try to cheat and
00:15:32.480 you’re going to take a ballot and
00:15:33.760 duplicate it, that ballot has a unique
00:15:37.279 identification number on it. There’s a
00:15:38.800 barcode on it that uniquely identifies
00:15:40.880 it. So people can’t cheat. You can’t
00:15:43.279 just go and take a random Xerox machine
00:15:45.279 and Xerox 10 ballots or 100 ballots and
00:15:48.240 vote them because you’d be caught
00:15:50.480 instant because that ballot immediately
00:15:52.639 gets scanned in. There’s software that
00:15:54.880 looks to see if that voter
00:15:56.160 identification number’s already been
00:15:57.519 voted. When it has, that ballot’s
00:15:59.759 rejected. So, if it happens a bunch,
00:16:02.959 they’re going to know immediately. So,
00:16:06.000 when they first said there’s going to be
00:16:07.680 this, we need to find out if there was
00:16:09.759 some cheating and my literally my wife
00:16:12.399 is the first person who told me she
00:16:14.160 thought she saw where there was some
00:16:16.240 cheating. And I told her the same thing.
00:16:19.040 Anyway, long story short is I said,
00:16:20.639 "Look, I’ll look into it, but I’m only
00:16:23.120 going to tell you the truth. I’m going
00:16:24.480 to only find out what really happened.
00:16:26.800 And if it doesn’t turn out that it meets
00:16:28.560 your narrative,
00:16:30.160 >> oh well,
00:16:30.639 >> too bad. You know, the truth is the
00:16:32.399 truth. That’s all we’re going to look
00:16:33.839 for.
00:16:35.600 So that started in 2018. We realized we
00:16:38.639 had some problems. So moving up on the
00:16:41.440 election of 2020,
00:16:43.680 there were a bunch of of people
00:16:46.320 discussing what do we need to do to make
00:16:48.880 sure there’s no cheating in this 2020
00:16:50.959 election? What do we need to do to make
00:16:52.720 sure this doesn’t happen again? We need
00:16:54.959 to mark the paper. We need to make sure
00:16:56.880 paper can be identified. We need to mark
00:16:58.800 the ink. We need to do there’s a lot of
00:17:01.920 things we could do. So you were
00:17:03.279 consulting at that point.
00:17:04.880 >> They’re just asking me and a group of
00:17:06.400 other people that had my type of
00:17:08.079 background,
00:17:08.720 >> right?
00:17:09.359 >> You know, what are the things? We all
00:17:11.199 talked on the phone, agreed. We actually
00:17:13.039 met in one one case and said, "These are
00:17:15.760 the things that should be done." And so
00:17:18.000 those were distributed out and they were
00:17:20.319 sent to people in Congress and people in
00:17:22.160 the houses in the different states and
00:17:24.319 the different counties and it was set
00:17:26.319 out. And then along comes late June,
00:17:29.919 early July and seven states start
00:17:34.080 issuing orders to invalidate those
00:17:37.280 things. They’re not going to follow
00:17:38.720 those procedures.
00:17:40.559 What kind of uh procedures? What kind of
00:17:42.480 examples?
00:17:43.440 >> Like having marked paper, having what we
00:17:45.520 call ballot secure paper or safety paper
00:17:48.400 used that’s identifiable paper.
00:17:50.559 >> What was their reason in not wanting it?
00:17:52.640 I mean, we know the obvious. that well
00:17:54.559 that’s that’s the reason
00:17:56.160 >> but what did they give
00:17:58.080 >> that’s the whole point that’s the that’s
00:18:00.160 exactly the point the minute they
00:18:02.000 started calling me and saying you know
00:18:03.280 cuz I wasn’t that really involved other
00:18:05.360 than just helping write these I said oh
00:18:07.200 it’s simple you know use this paper use
00:18:09.440 this kind of ink use this kind of
00:18:10.880 process make sure these things happen
00:18:13.440 don’t let people just randomly mail in
00:18:15.280 ballots don’t let people make sure the
00:18:16.799 signatures verified there were there
00:18:18.480 were things that seemed so obvious that
00:18:22.640 nobody would argue with that are so,
00:18:25.919 >> you know,
00:18:27.919 it’s like saying, "How do I sense?"
00:18:29.600 Yeah. Common sense.
00:18:30.400 >> How do I keep my house secure? Well, you
00:18:32.160 lock the doors. You turn the lights on.
00:18:34.480 You lock the windows. You do, you know,
00:18:37.200 and you walk over and look at the house
00:18:39.280 and the doors wide open, the lights,
00:18:40.960 >> and they’re like, "We don’t have to lock
00:18:41.919 our door if we don’t want to."
00:18:42.960 >> Yeah. And we’re like,
00:18:43.919 >> but it’s secure.
00:18:44.880 >> Well, you’re not secure. That there’s no
00:18:47.600 way. Well, so then you look at what
00:18:50.000 states are doing this and all of a
00:18:53.360 sudden we start seeing it’s Georgia,
00:18:57.440 it’s Pennsylvania, it’s Wisconsin, it’s
00:19:01.840 the states that we now call the swing
00:19:03.600 states. Well, why are they doing that?
00:19:05.919 Why is Arizona coming out with all these
00:19:08.240 regulations? Why are they saying we
00:19:10.640 don’t need to do these things?
00:19:12.799 >> Well, then you stop and look at it and
00:19:14.640 say, well, there’s only one reason. The
00:19:17.280 only possible reason is you want to
00:19:19.280 leave room for cheating.
00:19:20.799 >> Oh,
00:19:21.200 >> there nothing else makes any damn sense.
00:19:23.440 If you want it to be a safe, secure
00:19:26.000 election, you follow safe, secure
00:19:27.840 procedures. You do things that to like
00:19:30.000 for an example, you keep your voter
00:19:31.679 roles clean. Why would anybody argue
00:19:35.280 that keeping dead people on the voter
00:19:37.039 roll somehow improves the quality of the
00:19:39.440 voting? [laughter] I mean, it makes no
00:19:40.799 sense.
00:19:41.039 >> Well, they would probably make an excuse
00:19:42.320 of, "Well, we didn’t realize they were
00:19:43.840 still on there." They they come up with
00:19:46.240 excuses, but the excuses are
00:19:49.679 a perfect example is this. Okay, we just
00:19:52.240 went through a Biden administration.
00:19:54.799 Okay,
00:19:56.480 they tried to convince us the border was
00:19:58.480 secure, the most secure border in
00:20:00.640 history. Yet, you go down there and
00:20:02.799 there’s tens of thousands of people just
00:20:04.880 walking into the country,
00:20:06.400 >> right?
00:20:07.440 >> Nobody with in with with any brain would
00:20:10.000 look at that and go, "Oh, yeah, that’s a
00:20:12.160 secure system." No, it’s not. And we’re
00:20:15.280 losing tens of thousands of children. We
00:20:18.320 know they’re being trafficked. We know
00:20:19.919 they’re being abused. We losing women
00:20:22.000 into prostitution. We’re losing these
00:20:23.919 the pornography that’s coming out of
00:20:25.679 that. We’re seeing all these things
00:20:27.039 happen. And they’re trying to tell us,
00:20:30.240 >> "Oh, no. There’s no problem.
00:20:32.000 >> It’s like listen, not don’t watch what
00:20:34.559 we do. Don’t look at the facts, God.
00:20:37.360 Don’t look at what’s really happening.
00:20:39.679 >> These things are all they’re all secure.
00:20:41.919 this is nobody believed it was secure. I
00:20:46.480 don’t even Democrats can’t say oh yeah
00:20:50.400 you know right
00:20:51.360 >> and so when you start looking at that
00:20:53.440 but you go back to 2020
00:20:55.679 >> so it was okay are we securely verifying
00:20:58.720 the signature of the person do we use a
00:21:01.039 photo ID to make sure it’s really the
00:21:02.880 person right are we verifying not only
00:21:05.679 are they a resident that’s a term you
00:21:08.799 got to be careful with oh
00:21:10.320 >> but are they a citizen
00:21:12.960 >> because they were starting to throw
00:21:14.320 around this terminology all Residents
00:21:16.320 can vote.
00:21:17.280 >> Oh,
00:21:17.919 >> no. Residents, right? No.
00:21:21.200 >> Oh, residents can’t.
00:21:22.480 >> No, citizens can’t.
00:21:24.080 >> Citizen. You’re right.
00:21:25.679 >> So, when you use these terms, we start
00:21:27.520 using them as they’re equatable and
00:21:29.280 they’re not. It’s that’s language.
00:21:32.720 That’s when you start seeing people, you
00:21:34.400 know, you’re a lawyer, you know about
00:21:35.679 twisting language.
00:21:36.320 >> Very much so. Very much so. So when you
00:21:38.960 say you look at things and you see
00:21:40.880 people twisting language and start
00:21:44.320 saying something’s black when you can
00:21:45.919 look right at it and tell it’s white
00:21:47.760 that’s a secure secure border but you
00:21:50.480 know it’s not.
00:21:51.120 >> It’s gaslighting.
00:21:52.240 >> It’s it’s even worse. I mean I mean when
00:21:54.880 we were in Greece the one lady cuz we
00:21:56.559 were talking about voting. This was two
00:21:58.159 years ago. This is before when before
00:21:59.760 Trump won this time. She said that you
00:22:03.120 have to vote where you’re born in in
00:22:06.240 Greece. So she said, "I want to vote
00:22:08.559 this year, so I actually have to fly
00:22:10.159 home to the city that I was born in
00:22:12.960 because that’s where you have to vote."
00:22:14.960 And she thought it was so crazy to try
00:22:17.679 and comprehend that nonitizens were
00:22:20.640 voting.
00:22:21.280 >> Yeah. So we there first of all, you get
00:22:25.120 to the point of convenience and yes, we
00:22:27.120 need to have it more convenient to vote.
00:22:29.280 We don’t want to do what the the big
00:22:31.280 quote unquote thing is um limit people’s
00:22:35.280 access to voting. We’re not trying to to
00:22:37.919 obstruct somebody from voting. We’re
00:22:40.559 making sure that those people who vote
00:22:42.320 have the right to vote.
00:22:43.520 >> Sure.
00:22:44.000 >> You know, we’re making sure that they
00:22:45.919 are identifiable. We want to get rid of
00:22:48.320 the old Chicago ad. You know, your dad
00:22:50.159 was in Chicago. The old ad Adam and how
00:22:53.280 do you say adium [laughter]
00:22:55.440 the the Chicago was vote early and vote
00:22:58.159 often.
00:22:58.640 >> Well, and and you know, I tell the story
00:23:00.400 where my dad was [clears throat] going
00:23:02.159 for uh Illinois Association of Chiefs of
00:23:04.559 Police. he was going to be the uh he was
00:23:07.360 going to be the president of the IAP.
00:23:10.159 And we went and there was another guy
00:23:11.760 going against him and my dad’s
00:23:13.600 hospitality room. You couldn’t even get
00:23:15.360 yourself in that room. And the next
00:23:18.559 morning we see these buses pull up and
00:23:21.039 we’re like all these homeless people
00:23:23.120 start coming off the bus. They start
00:23:24.880 giving cookies and coffee and cakes. My
00:23:28.320 dad lost by one vote and the person put
00:23:31.039 my dad’s first name, the other guy’s
00:23:32.799 last name or something like that and
00:23:34.559 they gave it to the other guy. The next
00:23:35.840 year my dad went, but they said, "Sorry,
00:23:37.840 this year it needs to go to this guy."
00:23:39.280 But they literally they literally bust
00:23:42.021 [laughter] bust in homeless people.
00:23:43.840 >> Well, and they they’ve done that this in
00:23:46.559 2020. We literally have videotapes of
00:23:50.000 buses showing up down in Houston, taking
00:23:52.720 people and just walking them through and
00:23:54.880 then the bus going to another polling
00:23:56.480 station. I mean,
00:23:58.400 >> the videos we have are insane. So,
00:24:02.000 >> when I first got involved, it was I I
00:24:04.240 hadn’t been, first of all, I had not
00:24:06.240 been political at all. I had not been in
00:24:08.240 active in any kind of politicians types
00:24:10.799 of things. And I was not that concerned
00:24:13.360 about politics. I was really staying out
00:24:14.960 of it. Yeah.
00:24:15.600 >> And I was just finishing up my career in
00:24:17.360 advertising because I had had an agency
00:24:19.360 for some years. And I had gotten out of
00:24:22.159 that and I was really kind of
00:24:23.600 semi-retired, not having to really work.
00:24:26.080 >> Yeah. And so I thought, well, you know,
00:24:28.559 I’m going to look into this. Well, the
00:24:29.919 more I looked into it, the more I was
00:24:31.840 like, oh my gosh. You know, when you
00:24:34.080 start seeing what they’re doing and you
00:24:35.679 start hearing the stories and you start
00:24:38.159 so I start getting upset about it,
00:24:40.240 thinking, you know, is there going to be
00:24:42.640 a way to prove it? And then um
00:24:45.520 >> but then it’s scary too because you
00:24:46.960 worry I think I’m sure everybody, you
00:24:49.440 know, you see the list of people that
00:24:51.200 try to fix something and then there’s
00:24:53.600 criminals that probably off you. Well,
00:24:56.037 [laughter]
00:24:56.640 well then and that’s something that’s
00:24:58.400 going on right now.
00:24:59.440 >> You see that in the movies, but it’s
00:25:00.640 real life, too.
00:25:01.360 >> Oh, it’s totally real life. In fact, uh
00:25:03.840 we were getting warnings. We were
00:25:05.440 getting Well, we were getting threats
00:25:07.600 from one side and warnings from the
00:25:10.000 other. Be very careful because you’re
00:25:12.159 messing with things you don’t
00:25:13.520 understand.
00:25:14.799 >> You know, you don’t because Yeah.
00:25:17.360 what the the amount of corruption that’s
00:25:19.200 out there right now is really deep and
00:25:23.279 um I can’t get into all of that now, but
00:25:26.080 there’s there’s a lot going on still.
00:25:29.039 It’s not going to continue. You know,
00:25:31.919 there’s um if you even just look just
00:25:35.039 very recently at what’s been going on,
00:25:38.320 you know, the number of of cartel
00:25:40.480 bosses, the number of cartels that have
00:25:42.480 been stopped, the amount of drug
00:25:44.559 trafficking that’s been stopped,
00:25:47.120 >> that is massive amounts of I don’t know
00:25:49.440 if you saw that boat that they picked up
00:25:51.039 on the ocean.
00:25:52.400 >> I don’t mean the boats they’re blowing
00:25:53.840 up. I mean, did you see the new boat?
00:25:55.600 They just
00:25:56.240 >> No, I did not. They got a small, it
00:25:59.600 basically used to be like a cruise boat,
00:26:03.200 a small one, and they had converted it
00:26:05.600 over to build, they put equipment in it
00:26:08.080 to make meth, uh, fentanyl, heroin, and
00:26:11.360 something else. And literally, and they
00:26:13.279 had, uh, people that they had literally
00:26:16.799 kidnapped and had them working on this
00:26:19.200 boat making drugs in the ocean, mobile
00:26:22.799 marine.
00:26:23.279 >> It’s a real life Breaking Bad,
00:26:24.960 >> right? It it’s except it’s a huge cruise
00:26:27.200 liner.
00:26:27.760 >> It’s a W.
00:26:28.640 >> It’s a cruise It’s big. I mean, this
00:26:30.240 thing is big.
00:26:31.600 >> Had hundreds of captive hostages on it
00:26:34.559 that were making drugs on this boat.
00:26:37.279 >> And that’s crazy. They just
00:26:39.520 >> And Trump knew about it and stopped him.
00:26:41.360 >> They just took it down.
00:26:42.400 >> That’s awesome.
00:26:42.880 >> I don’t know if it’s been publicized
00:26:44.240 yet. I may be speaking up on it.
00:26:46.078 [laughter] No, I
00:26:48.559 >> Remy, has this been published?
00:26:50.640 >> The boat is here
00:26:51.840 >> and cut. the [laughter] the the boat is
00:26:55.200 being hauled to harbor. It’s still in
00:26:56.720 the it’s being hauled in and you
00:26:58.523 [laughter] heard it first on
00:26:59.279 cross-examining with the Ger.
00:27:01.679 >> But
00:27:01.919 >> you heard it first right here.
00:27:03.279 >> Going back to
00:27:04.080 >> from the man who is friends with
00:27:05.760 Netanyahu.
00:27:06.880 >> Yeah. Well, you go back to 2020 and and
00:27:10.480 what we started realizing is we needed
00:27:13.120 to to find ways to then check and see.
00:27:16.320 And we and like we said, we can’t I
00:27:19.200 can’t tell you exactly how we found out
00:27:21.039 that they had changed the votes
00:27:22.799 electronically.
00:27:23.760 >> Yeah.
00:27:24.159 >> But we found out that they had changed
00:27:25.760 the votes electronically. We got that
00:27:27.440 information and we were like, "Okay, how
00:27:29.679 can you prove that?" Well, the only way
00:27:30.960 to prove it is to count the physical
00:27:32.720 paper.
00:27:34.000 >> So then it took months to get them to
00:27:35.600 give us the physical paper. When we got
00:27:37.440 the physical paper
00:27:38.559 >> and you were you were involved with all
00:27:40.159 of that
00:27:40.720 >> when the audit. Yeah.
00:27:41.600 >> Yeah. They came to me and said actually
00:27:44.640 um it’s a kind of a weird story because
00:27:46.880 a guy named Jovon Hutton Pulitzer you
00:27:48.880 may have heard of Jovon called me one
00:27:51.200 day and said hey are you the same guy
00:27:53.760 that did this and the same guy that did
00:27:55.520 that and do you know this and do you
00:27:56.960 know I said yeah yeah and he said well
00:27:59.520 I’m looking for somebody that knows all
00:28:01.200 these things and your name came up from
00:28:03.840 each of these associations that you’d be
00:28:06.080 one of the guys you know I said okay
00:28:09.120 that makes sense because it matched up a
00:28:10.960 prophecy my great-grandmother had given
00:28:12.799 me that I’d be the right person in the
00:28:14.559 right place at the right time to do this
00:28:16.240 job. And I thought, "Oh my gosh, he just
00:28:18.640 used that same language. That must be
00:28:20.320 what God’s preparing me for." So, I
00:28:24.240 said, "Yeah, um,
00:28:26.960 I’m I’m going to help you do it. I can
00:28:28.960 help you prove this thing." So, the two
00:28:31.039 of us started out and then we found out,
00:28:32.880 this is how weird things in God’s plans
00:28:35.440 work. I had been given award um a
00:28:38.399 pioneers award on photography for
00:28:41.120 creating this digital photograph and
00:28:43.520 every year the person who wins it gives
00:28:45.360 it to the next person and the person who
00:28:46.960 gave it to me was a guy uh who had
00:28:49.360 invented the Xerox machine named Chesley
00:28:52.080 Carlson I think it was and he invented
00:28:54.559 and he gives it gives it to me and I
00:28:56.399 give it to Jovon for inventing the
00:28:59.039 scanner to be able to scan digital
00:29:01.039 photographs.
00:29:01.679 >> Oh my gosh.
00:29:02.559 >> And so I’m like talking to Javon. He
00:29:05.279 goes, "Wait, that that’s you’re that
00:29:07.200 you’re you’re that guy." And I said,
00:29:08.399 "Yeah, and you’re that guy." "Oh my
00:29:10.000 gosh, that’s a coincidence." Well, no.
00:29:12.000 When you look, what does it take to do
00:29:14.480 verification of digital ballots and
00:29:16.320 produce digital ballots? Takes the Xerox
00:29:18.799 machine, digital photography, and the
00:29:22.000 scanner. [laughter]
00:29:22.640 >> There you go.
00:29:23.600 >> So,
00:29:24.080 >> and you all about it.
00:29:25.520 >> Well, yeah. And we’re all We all knew
00:29:27.360 each other, and we’re all, you know,
00:29:29.840 same group of people. So yeah, it you
00:29:33.919 realize okay that’s not a coincidence
00:29:36.640 and so then and then a lot of other
00:29:38.720 things got I’ll just give you one
00:29:40.559 example without giving a spilling all
00:29:42.480 the beans if you will [laughter] because
00:29:44.320 there’s a lot of things that come up but
00:29:46.640 one of them was um we’re looking at the
00:29:49.600 paper and they said is there any way you
00:29:51.520 can tell paper that comes from one
00:29:54.159 printing plant compared to another
00:29:55.760 printing plant I said a way I mean
00:29:58.080 there’s dozens of ways I mean if you
00:30:00.559 look at criminal analysis is and you
00:30:03.120 took a criminal camera and you
00:30:05.360 photographed it and used
00:30:06.480 photospecttometry, you’d be able to look
00:30:08.559 at what minerals are in the paper and
00:30:11.200 when paper’s made, it’s made with lots
00:30:13.039 of water and then the water dries up and
00:30:14.960 the minerals remain behind
00:30:17.039 >> and so which I knew about because of
00:30:18.880 water filtration. It’s kind of a funny
00:30:20.960 thing how it all mixes in
00:30:23.039 >> and uh so you literally can take a piece
00:30:25.919 of paper and scan it and if you go to
00:30:28.159 the level of the minerals in the paper
00:30:30.880 the concentration of those minerals in
00:30:32.799 paper made at one time in one place will
00:30:35.440 be they’ll be similar very very similar
00:30:38.960 and the the charts you’ve seen on TV of
00:30:41.039 the graphs of the the things that are up
00:30:43.039 and down you know the different colors
00:30:44.399 of minerals or
00:30:45.840 >> chemicals that are there
00:30:47.919 >> paper will look it’ll have its
00:30:49.520 signature. Now, you can also go as far
00:30:51.919 as actually looking at the DNA of the
00:30:53.760 pulp and the paper that’s been used. You
00:30:56.559 could literally go down to that level of
00:30:59.840 looking at what’s there. You could look
00:31:01.840 at microorganisms that are in the paper.
00:31:04.240 If you want to do it, you can go to a
00:31:06.159 level that’s insane.
00:31:08.320 Um, the big thing that Javon always
00:31:10.320 talks about is what he calls kinematic
00:31:12.320 marks. What that means is when you take
00:31:15.200 a piece of paper and you produce it, you
00:31:17.919 leave traces behind of the machine that
00:31:20.240 made it. Okay? It leaves little marks.
00:31:23.919 It leaves indentions. It leaves things
00:31:25.600 where it cuts and how it cuts. The a
00:31:27.919 blade, as much as you might think a
00:31:29.600 chopping blade that comes down and cuts
00:31:31.520 is perfectly smooth and perfectly well,
00:31:34.559 it’s always the same, but it’s not
00:31:36.559 perfect.
00:31:36.960 >> No, I know what you’re talking about. I
00:31:38.000 had a printer that every time I printed
00:31:39.760 something out, there was a line down it
00:31:41.279 for the longest time. That was my
00:31:43.039 printer.
00:31:43.519 >> That’s your printer. You knew
00:31:44.960 >> I knew what you’re talking about.
00:31:46.159 >> And but it gets even crazier than that.
00:31:48.320 It’s just the nurls of the rollers that
00:31:50.559 feed the paper in.
00:31:51.519 >> Yeah.
00:31:52.080 >> They have a specific texture and mark
00:31:54.960 that they leave.
00:31:56.000 >> Like a fingerprint.
00:31:56.880 >> Like a fingerprint. And when that paper
00:31:58.559 goes in and hits a stop in the back of
00:32:00.399 the machine, those stops are set up to
00:32:02.399 stop at a certain place, it creates a
00:32:04.159 slight bend of the fibers upward right
00:32:06.000 there where the paper hits because it
00:32:08.000 doesn’t hit flat across the back. It
00:32:09.360 hits against these stops. and you set
00:32:11.200 the stops up based on how long the
00:32:12.799 paper’s going to be. So you look if you
00:32:16.080 want to really analyze the paper you and
00:32:18.559 analyze the printing the machine it
00:32:20.880 comes off of you can identify if that
00:32:23.200 was printed on that machine or not. It’s
00:32:25.679 that now you got to get crazy into
00:32:28.159 detail at that point and have
00:32:30.000 microscopes and that kind of thing. But
00:32:32.240 if you watch the audit that we did,
00:32:35.120 there was one camera set up and there we
00:32:37.039 had dozens of them. But those original
00:32:39.200 cameras that were set up taking those
00:32:40.720 photographs and lights would flash on
00:32:42.559 the paper and they would take
00:32:43.919 photographs. Those cameras each had
00:32:46.080 filters in them and those cameras were
00:32:48.559 giving specific lights that were hitting
00:32:50.960 that paper. And white light, if it’s
00:32:53.600 pure white, which there is no such thing
00:32:55.519 really as pure white, but right a pure
00:32:57.519 white piece of paper will reflect every
00:32:59.840 color of light and every will all be
00:33:02.559 reflected. If it’s pure black, it will
00:33:05.760 absorb every bit of that light. No light
00:33:07.679 will be reflected. That’s why when you
00:33:09.600 look for black, you see black because
00:33:11.519 there’s no light. You see color because
00:33:14.159 color’s reflected.
00:33:15.279 >> That’s what’s reflected back to you.
00:33:16.880 >> If you see all color back to you, then
00:33:20.000 you’re going to see white. If some of
00:33:22.240 the colors are being absorbed by the the
00:33:25.279 ink that’s on that paper, you’re going
00:33:27.519 to now see blue because the blue ink’s
00:33:30.080 being absorbed. So, what you it’s a
00:33:32.159 negative process in your head. Your eye
00:33:34.480 actually sees the color that doesn’t get
00:33:36.799 reflected back,
00:33:37.840 >> right?
00:33:38.960 >> So, you you know that’s true because
00:33:40.960 there’s the blue ink. It’s absorbing the
00:33:42.880 blue spectrum of light. So, that’s why
00:33:45.519 you don’t you see the blue ink, but you
00:33:47.679 don’t see the the white light. So all of
00:33:50.640 these things come into play if you want
00:33:52.320 to get that detailed. Well, we got that
00:33:55.679 detailed. You know, if you look at what
00:33:58.240 was going on with every one of those two
00:33:59.919 million some odd ballots that got
00:34:01.519 scanned into on the Maricopa County
00:34:03.600 election, every one of those was
00:34:05.840 photographed with different filters in
00:34:08.239 that camera. Those cameras that we were
00:34:09.918 using, those weren’t random cameras.
00:34:12.079 Those aren’t cameras off the Costco
00:34:13.679 shelf. Those cameras were originally
00:34:16.079 supplied to us by Canon and those are
00:34:18.800 CSI cameras. Those are the cameras that
00:34:21.199 CSI people use in laboratories. They
00:34:25.040 were their best cameras and they loaned
00:34:27.839 us a group of those. It started out with
00:34:29.520 eight. I think we end up with 32 of
00:34:31.199 them. Those are six 7,000 cameras. They
00:34:34.719 loaned us.
00:34:35.520 >> So, you going into this thinking, I’m
00:34:37.280 only going to do what’s truthful.
00:34:39.520 >> And you’re seeing these pop up and what
00:34:42.399 are you thinking at that moment?
00:34:44.239 >> Are you thinking this is
00:34:45.280 >> that it makes no sense that these things
00:34:47.520 shouldn’t be happening? That these
00:34:48.800 shouldn’t have occurred, that these
00:34:50.159 things don’t belong, you know, right?
00:34:52.320 >> When you look at this and and you start
00:34:54.399 understanding
00:34:56.159 >> in a normal circumstances, these things
00:34:58.800 shouldn’t have happened.
00:35:00.400 >> And so then you start worrying about,
00:35:02.480 okay, who did it? why did they do it?
00:35:04.400 What did they do?
00:35:05.920 >> And then you start really digging in and
00:35:08.000 when you get that detailed
00:35:10.480 >> um you know if you look at the amount of
00:35:13.680 I I don’t have it with me but there’s
00:35:15.760 the amount of data that we collected in
00:35:18.320 that audit and this is going to blow
00:35:20.000 your mind but it’s a truthful statement.
00:35:22.640 There’s more data collected in that
00:35:24.240 audit than than is currently in the
00:35:26.640 Library of Congress.
00:35:28.320 >> Wow.
00:35:29.599 >> It’s in the pabytes. The files are
00:35:33.040 >> Oh my gosh.
00:35:34.000 >> Oh no. It’s because each every time you
00:35:37.200 take a photograph, depending on the
00:35:39.520 resolution of that photograph, how
00:35:41.280 detailed that photograph is, you know,
00:35:43.760 you know, from your own camera, you take
00:35:45.440 a rough resolution photograph, you can
00:35:47.200 get a lot of them. Okay? You can send
00:35:49.200 three of them in an email or five of
00:35:51.040 them in an email. One photograph that we
00:35:53.200 took, you couldn’t send in an email.
00:35:55.119 It’s too big. Just one photograph. And
00:35:57.520 we took a dozen every time we stopped
00:35:59.359 that because there were three
00:36:01.040 microscopes and a camera taking multiple
00:36:04.800 pictures of every ballot every time with
00:36:07.520 different lights.
00:36:08.880 >> And so the amount of data we collected
00:36:11.119 is unbelievably astronomical. It’s a
00:36:14.720 crazy amount of data. So anyway, the the
00:36:17.359 point is is that data still exists. We
00:36:20.240 have maintained chain of custody on that
00:36:22.000 data. And this is going to sound insane.
00:36:23.599 We’ve spent over I’ve heard an estimate
00:36:26.000 of three million. I I know it’s well
00:36:27.839 over a million dollars just maintaining
00:36:30.400 the storage and chain of custody of that
00:36:32.160 data ever since that election.
00:36:35.200 >> Just keeping it safe.
00:36:36.880 >> Not only safe, but keeping the chain of
00:36:39.119 custody, making sure that it cannot be
00:36:41.520 violated, that nobody could have touched
00:36:43.440 it, that all the securities are in
00:36:45.520 place. Yeah,
00:36:46.800 >> we want to make sure that if it ever has
00:36:49.040 to be checked and every is used in a
00:36:51.440 court case that it’s irrefutable that
00:36:55.200 that’s the data. And there’s some
00:36:57.200 there’s things that that like well for
00:36:59.839 an example let’s just talk about after
00:37:01.839 the election was over they they were
00:37:03.520 counting okay they’ve been counting hund
00:37:06.160 and some thousand ballots a day for all
00:37:08.079 the days leading up to the election and
00:37:09.599 then the election night they have to
00:37:11.040 count couple million ballots and um
00:37:14.480 every state but a couple can’t they can
00:37:16.560 all count their ballots.
00:37:18.000 >> That’s what I was going to say.
00:37:18.800 >> But Arizona can’t count theirs. How
00:37:20.125 [laughter] come all these why can
00:37:21.599 everybody else huge and they get it done
00:37:23.680 that night Arizona’s like oh we need a
00:37:26.160 month what is that about they’re trying
00:37:28.079 to find just like with Carrie Lake
00:37:29.920 you’re like
00:37:30.560 >> that was if you go back now this wasn’t
00:37:32.400 Car’s election this was the one with um
00:37:34.880 with Trump but uh what ends up happening
00:37:38.800 is we’ve start looking into this what do
00:37:41.280 you mean so we get the data then now
00:37:44.079 here’s the thing those every time they
00:37:46.079 scan a ballot in the ballot is scanned
00:37:48.720 in and it’s given given a timestamp and
00:37:51.920 we know which machine scanned it in. We
00:37:54.560 know everything about that ballot. All
00:37:57.440 right.
00:37:59.040 Until we get to the ballots that come in
00:38:00.960 after the election
00:38:02.800 >> that come in over the next couple like
00:38:05.040 whether they take 10 days or some damn
00:38:06.800 thing to finish counting.
00:38:08.480 >> When you get to those ballots that 300
00:38:11.040 and some thousand ballots,
00:38:13.760 >> all of a sudden the headers are missing.
00:38:15.920 All of a sudden they’re in a different
00:38:17.119 format. All of a sudden they’re not
00:38:19.680 scanned in where they’re spo instead of
00:38:21.359 using they have all those tabulators
00:38:24.320 they had all over the city. They only
00:38:26.240 use two tabulators. They can’t use all
00:38:28.079 the others.
00:38:30.000 Sure they could
00:38:31.119 >> if they wanted to. They don’t have
00:38:32.560 enough people. Sure they had plenty of
00:38:34.720 They had all the people they needed.
00:38:36.800 >> But they had to do something. Something
00:38:38.480 was going on. We think we know what was
00:38:40.560 going on was they had to make the count
00:38:43.280 come out because they had to now they
00:38:44.960 had reported a digital count that does
00:38:49.119 not match the actual physical records.
00:38:53.440 >> So now
00:38:54.079 >> where did they print these just in some
00:38:56.079 random person’s printing company?
00:38:58.376 [laughter]
00:38:59.119 >> Where are they printed
00:39:01.440 in in another country and then mailed
00:39:03.920 here? really.
00:39:04.640 >> Okay. If you heard, this comes back to
00:39:07.680 something that’s that’s interesting.
00:39:10.079 Okay. Um, I was told I would have the
00:39:14.400 gifts of the spirit and the fruits of
00:39:15.839 the spirit in doing this audit, that God
00:39:17.760 was going to help me do this audit and I
00:39:19.520 would know what I needed to know. And at
00:39:22.640 one point, I realized somebody was
00:39:25.680 asking me a question that made no sense.
00:39:27.920 That there’s no reason he could keep
00:39:29.440 asking me this question. And I thought,
00:39:31.680 there’s something wrong here. And I
00:39:33.040 realized it, discernment just came to
00:39:35.040 me. I said, "H,
00:39:36.960 this is not good." And so I said to him,
00:39:40.240 "Now, if you don’t tell anybody, I’ll
00:39:42.320 tell you." Now, you know, if they
00:39:44.400 printed these ballots in China, you
00:39:46.240 know, they use bamboo in their paper.
00:39:48.812 [laughter]
00:39:50.720 >> I’m thinking that wasn’t the truth.
00:39:52.320 >> They don’t.
00:39:54.707 [laughter]
00:39:54.800 >> Yet all of a sudden in about a week and
00:39:57.200 a half, it’s in the Wall Street Journal.
00:39:58.880 It’s in the New York Times. It’s in the
00:40:00.640 Post.
00:40:01.040 >> Bamboo. They that we don’t know what
00:40:03.520 we’re doing in the audit because we’re
00:40:05.119 looking for bamboo paper. [laughter]
00:40:06.640 >> Oh my gosh. And I did see something
00:40:09.040 about that. That was from you, Bob.
00:40:12.160 >> Something from Bob.
00:40:12.960 >> What I was looking for was is who’s
00:40:16.160 who’s the leak?
00:40:17.280 >> Yeah.
00:40:17.680 >> Yeah. and we figured out who this guy I
00:40:20.000 I won’t get into who he turned out to be
00:40:22.000 because we actually literally had him
00:40:24.320 investigated
00:40:25.839 um and the Arizona Rangers looked into
00:40:28.240 him and they were able to find out
00:40:29.839 exactly who he was and who he was
00:40:31.200 working for. That’ll come later. But we
00:40:34.800 found out um I can tell you right now
00:40:38.240 with very very very high confidence we
00:40:40.880 know they cheated. We know how they did
00:40:42.560 it. We know where they did it. We know
00:40:44.240 who did it. I’ve even talked to some of
00:40:46.720 the people involved in it and we even
00:40:49.359 offered them the opportunity to to
00:40:52.400 become
00:40:53.280 >> witnesses.
00:40:53.839 >> Witnesses. I What do you want?
00:40:55.599 >> Yeah.
00:40:56.079 >> Um several have taken us up on that
00:40:58.319 offer.
00:40:58.800 >> Okay.
00:40:59.359 >> There are people that are going to be
00:41:00.800 testifying that it’ll all come out and
00:41:03.440 but it’s going to have to come out in
00:41:04.720 its time and it’s not time. And
00:41:07.359 >> so what do you do with that since
00:41:08.640 Trump’s already been president twice?
00:41:10.480 What do you is that just a way to help
00:41:12.319 you guys figure out not to do it again
00:41:14.400 or
00:41:14.880 >> No, it goes way beyond that with
00:41:16.640 President Trump. President Trump um
00:41:20.720 >> he we knew that they had a bunch of
00:41:22.640 pardons given out. You know, Biden gave
00:41:24.400 out a bunch of pardon. That was before
00:41:25.680 we found out he signed up with autopens,
00:41:27.440 right? And those um one of
00:41:30.880 >> I don’t want to reveal too much. There
00:41:32.640 were two assistant attorney generals
00:41:34.079 that were put onto this information.
00:41:36.640 There’s two sides of this whole case. Um
00:41:42.000 they’re what can I tell you? They they
00:41:45.040 were [laughter]
00:41:46.319 >> What can I tell you without spilling the
00:41:47.920 beans?
00:41:50.000 >> They look they know what we know who did
00:41:54.079 it. We know how they did it. We know
00:41:55.520 when they did it. We know why they did
00:41:56.720 it. You know, all that’s we know who
00:41:58.960 paid for it. A lot of that’s starting to
00:42:01.359 come to pass. You’re going to start
00:42:02.640 seeing a lot of that come up in
00:42:05.680 indictments and people are going to get
00:42:07.920 called on the carpet for it, put in jail
00:42:10.160 probably.
00:42:10.720 >> So, do you get frustrated knowing what
00:42:12.480 you know and people go, "Trump’s lying.
00:42:14.560 He didn’t win." Or do you just go, "They
00:42:16.880 just don’t know."
00:42:18.079 >> Okay. The
00:42:20.079 first of all, being one of only a few
00:42:21.920 people that literally
00:42:24.640 figured this out and witnessed it
00:42:26.400 firsthand and not being able to tell
00:42:29.119 anybody,
00:42:30.000 >> right? That was really hard. That was
00:42:32.319 really hard for a long time. That was
00:42:35.040 And then what got really frustrating, in
00:42:37.119 fact, it literally came down to, and I
00:42:38.720 was just just talking to somebody off
00:42:40.720 camera about finding out, in fact, I’m
00:42:43.680 going to have to get this verse again
00:42:45.599 because I was so angry at God for not
00:42:49.920 taking what we found after I’d done what
00:42:52.319 he’d asked. I this, you know, I And it’s
00:42:56.160 it’s as crazy as this. We knew what had
00:42:59.599 happened and we knew we had found what
00:43:02.560 God wanted us to find. And I was so
00:43:05.359 angry about it and I literally looked
00:43:07.680 for a Bible verse and I said, "Look,
00:43:09.359 Lord, I want to know why you’re not
00:43:10.880 doing something about this." And it came
00:43:13.200 back the Bible verse he gave me right
00:43:15.760 out of the Bible, just poked my finger
00:43:17.599 in it said, "Uh, my ways are higher and
00:43:21.280 greater than your ways." and and uh how
00:43:24.720 have
00:43:25.119 >> we can ask him what’s what’s
00:43:26.319 >> what’s the actual
00:43:27.440 >> we had Gordon on here hoping numbers
00:43:29.599 >> Isaiah 55 verse uh 8 and 9 my ways are
00:43:33.200 higher than your ways and my thoughts
00:43:34.480 are higher than your thoughts as heaven
00:43:36.400 is above the earth so my ways will be
00:43:38.400 higher than your ways and my thoughts
00:43:39.599 are higher than your thoughts
00:43:40.640 >> yeah
00:43:42.160 basically came back to me you know hey
00:43:45.280 Bob
00:43:45.760 >> it’s not up to you
00:43:46.640 >> it’s not up to [laughter] you you’re not
00:43:49.359 in charge here
00:43:50.400 >> that’s that’s what we all how many times
00:43:51.839 do we say it again and again. All in
00:43:53.599 God’s timing.
00:43:54.400 >> Well, and that’s the whole thing. And
00:43:56.400 then it became really crystal clear to
00:43:59.440 me because um the original prophecy is
00:44:02.720 given me to my great-grandmother’s 104
00:44:06.000 and she literally gave me the prophecy
00:44:08.079 said Jesus came to get me and I got to
00:44:10.079 tell you this first.
00:44:10.960 >> And what year was this?
00:44:12.240 >> It it was November 1984.
00:44:15.119 >> Okay.
00:44:16.400 >> And so this was uh 36 years later, 37
00:44:20.160 years later. I’m angry that this
00:44:21.920 fulfillment of prophecy isn’t occurring,
00:44:23.920 that I’ve not done what I’m supposed to
00:44:25.599 do. And then they announced Trump was
00:44:29.920 president again. And I looked at the
00:44:32.480 date and realized it was the date my
00:44:34.000 grandmother had died 40 years earlier.
00:44:36.560 That literally,
00:44:37.839 >> wow,
00:44:38.480 >> it was not time.
00:44:39.839 >> It’s not a coincidence.
00:44:41.280 >> And what even came more importantly to
00:44:44.160 me out of that was um he was right. God
00:44:48.640 knew. Had we gone back into the had they
00:44:53.920 overturned the election,
00:44:56.079 the climate of the country would have
00:44:57.920 been completely different. It what the
00:45:01.280 results would have been completely
00:45:02.560 different in those four years. People
00:45:04.319 were able to gain more information, more
00:45:06.880 knowledge, more awareness and then vote
00:45:10.400 him back in.
00:45:11.760 >> Right.
00:45:12.400 >> Overwhelmingly.
00:45:13.200 >> Overwhelming. Yeah. And we were able to
00:45:15.520 protect that vote. That’s something else
00:45:17.040 I I I would go I would love to let
00:45:19.839 everybody know how that happened. That
00:45:22.160 will come really soon. Um
00:45:24.800 >> so you act they actually to did
00:45:26.640 something to enforce to protect enforced
00:45:29.520 wait is it enforced did something to
00:45:32.000 protect it to enforce
00:45:33.440 >> they were unable to cheat
00:45:35.680 >> in the 2024 election.
00:45:37.280 >> Did they try?
00:45:38.800 >> Oh yeah. [laughter]
00:45:40.640 >> I mean that’s an obvious but
00:45:42.560 >> well let me ask you a question. Do you
00:45:44.640 think it’s in their best interest that
00:45:46.160 Trump got back into office?
00:45:47.760 >> Definitely not.
00:45:48.240 >> No.
00:45:50.000 Yeah, they they they tried. But
00:45:55.440 and and the way it ended up happening,
00:45:57.839 the I hope someday all the details are
00:46:00.319 going to come out about this because
00:46:02.400 when people realize who actually did it
00:46:04.960 and who actually stopped it, it it’s
00:46:07.920 going to really surprise a lot of
00:46:10.079 people. It’s going to make people change
00:46:12.560 their opinion of a lot of things. Um, so
00:46:16.400 you know, there’s a lot more to be
00:46:17.760 revealed about what’s coming, but you
00:46:20.800 know, there’s a statement people used
00:46:22.400 to, you’ve probably heard the statement,
00:46:24.160 not know what it’s attributed to, but
00:46:26.800 there’s something that flipped around
00:46:28.640 the country for a long time said nothing
00:46:31.119 can stop what is coming,
00:46:32.800 >> right? Nothing.
00:46:34.480 >> Okay,
00:46:36.480 >> that is not just a casual statement.
00:46:38.800 >> It’s not. No.
00:46:40.880 >> Oh, that
00:46:42.160 >> something’s still coming.
00:46:43.839 >> Oh, yes.
00:46:44.640 >> Oh, good.
00:46:45.520 >> And that that statement
00:46:48.240 um that was a a way of people letting
00:46:52.480 everybody know who’s on the inside and
00:46:54.240 who knew what. So, if somebody said to
00:46:56.640 you, "Nothing can stop what is coming."
00:46:58.960 And you responded, "Nothing," they knew.
00:47:01.839 You knew and you were on the inside.
00:47:04.640 >> Is that still the case? Well, not
00:47:06.000 everybody knows now.
00:47:07.119 >> Everybody knows. Well, it’s not to say
00:47:09.920 nothing.
00:47:10.319 >> Yeah, but it’s not still the case
00:47:11.920 because that’s not still
00:47:13.520 >> right. That’s not still
00:47:14.480 >> there’s a lot of things that are going
00:47:15.680 to come out here in the next
00:47:17.760 >> Well, so after after things start coming
00:47:20.240 out, you’ll have to come back here and
00:47:22.079 make sure then’ll [laughter] you’ll be
00:47:24.000 unleashed.
00:47:24.480 >> Bob, you can say it and let us know
00:47:26.160 first so that we can tell our viewers.
00:47:28.880 >> And there’s I I can tell you some things
00:47:30.560 that are already public knowledge, okay?
00:47:33.200 that um there was a new special counsel
00:47:38.000 assigned hired just recently. If you
00:47:41.520 look him up, he works directly for the
00:47:43.920 White House. He’s
00:47:46.640 apparently not assigned to anything, but
00:47:49.040 he is assigned to this. He will be he is
00:47:52.400 working on election integrity. His job
00:47:55.599 is to bring these cases. And uh there’s
00:47:59.839 new marshals that have been assigned.
00:48:02.480 There’s FBI, there’s all kinds of
00:48:05.359 people.
00:48:05.760 >> Election integrity in a free republic
00:48:09.760 has to be
00:48:11.760 utmost important.
00:48:12.800 >> Absolutely. And there’s two sides of
00:48:14.160 this and there’s two big sides to this.
00:48:17.200 First of all, um I’ve extracted myself
00:48:21.440 from going back and at this point
00:48:23.599 worrying about who did it and who why
00:48:25.760 they do it and what did they do. There’s
00:48:28.160 people assigned to that. All the
00:48:29.680 evidence is there. I don’t need to worry
00:48:31.520 about that anymore. I’m out of it. I’m
00:48:33.359 out. I’m done with that. And I’ve been
00:48:35.359 removed from any of that responsibility.
00:48:38.319 My what I’m going to be working on now
00:48:40.880 is we have an election coming up in
00:48:43.119 2026.
00:48:44.640 President Trump has asked a group of
00:48:46.800 people what needs to be done in order to
00:48:49.760 secure that election. I’m involved with
00:48:52.480 that group of people and what there were
00:48:55.200 uh five recommendations made to him that
00:48:58.160 these things have to be done to do two
00:49:01.359 things. one to meet Hava, which if you
00:49:03.760 don’t know what Hava is, Hava is the
00:49:05.200 Help America Vote Act.
00:49:06.880 >> If you remember back to the Hanging Chad
00:49:09.119 days of
00:49:10.000 >> Sure.
00:49:10.480 >> you know, Florida, you were in Florida,
00:49:12.240 you know that. Okay.
00:49:13.839 >> Um, after that fiasco, basically
00:49:18.240 standards were set that all federal
00:49:21.520 elections have to meet for them to be
00:49:24.000 certifiable. and any machine used in
00:49:27.200 that election has to be certified and
00:49:30.079 meet those certifiable standards. Um
00:49:32.720 there’s a thing called the L &A audit.
00:49:34.800 The it’s called the logic and accuracy
00:49:36.880 audit that’s done on all machines before
00:49:40.000 an election to certify that those
00:49:42.400 machines can be used in election and
00:49:44.319 will meet the standards of the election
00:49:46.000 to be certifiable to be an accredited
00:49:48.720 election.
00:49:50.079 um the parties the the different parties
00:49:52.720 get to sign or ask somebody to go in and
00:49:54.960 be that auditor. The guy that oversees
00:49:57.440 that audit and uh checks the audit, make
00:50:01.040 sure it was done. I’m the one who’s done
00:50:03.440 that on the last couple of elections.
00:50:05.920 I’ve done the LNA audit. I’ve been part
00:50:08.319 of it. Um, and one of the things I said
00:50:11.520 to one of the election directors, you’ll
00:50:13.200 get a kick out of because I spent the
00:50:15.520 day there and and the election director
00:50:17.599 spent, so she’s an assistant election
00:50:19.680 director from Maricopa County, spent the
00:50:22.079 day giving me all the documents and all
00:50:23.760 the details and looking at the
00:50:24.960 signatures and looking at the ballots
00:50:26.480 and looking at every what the what the
00:50:28.319 LNA audit does is when you put your mark
00:50:31.839 on an oval and the scanner reads that
00:50:34.240 oval,
00:50:34.800 >> right,
00:50:35.200 >> the we need to make sure that it reads
00:50:37.200 the oval correctly and then It puts that
00:50:39.520 vote in the right box, if you will.
00:50:41.760 Basically, it’s a data place data
00:50:43.359 stored.
00:50:44.240 >> Well, you know, if they take every time
00:50:46.480 you circle this box and it puts it in
00:50:48.400 this guy’s box,
00:50:49.440 >> that doesn’t do anybody any good.
00:50:50.880 >> Yeah. Right.
00:50:51.520 >> So, you have to verify all those things.
00:50:53.359 And we did that. We went and verified it
00:50:55.280 and they all checked out 100%. Not one
00:50:57.920 machine misread a ballot.
00:50:59.920 >> Okay. We checked 400 I think it was 441
00:51:03.359 machines. Not one machine read a ballot.
00:51:06.000 every printer printed the ballots
00:51:07.359 absolutely accurately. And so we
00:51:09.920 completed the entire um I don’t think
00:51:13.520 I’m speaking out of turn here. These a
00:51:16.240 few people I’m going to mention will be
00:51:17.760 pissed, but I don’t care. Um that day
00:51:22.800 when we completed that audit, the
00:51:24.480 assistant, she’s no longer there, but
00:51:26.960 the uh I won’t use her name, but she’s
00:51:29.599 left. And I think partly because of this
00:51:32.000 day because we completed that and I was
00:51:35.280 she we were walking back across there’s
00:51:37.040 a big entryway a foyer a huge lobby for
00:51:40.800 this building. It’s the the old mech
00:51:43.680 center which where ballots were counted
00:51:46.160 and the two guys that were our s they’re
00:51:49.359 election directors the two Mara County
00:51:51.280 election directors followed me out
00:51:53.520 making sure I was leaving. I’m sure
00:51:55.215 [laughter] they were really happy to see
00:51:56.720 me go. and uh one’s in charge of day of
00:51:59.920 and one’s in charge of pre voting and
00:52:01.440 they’re two different I I don’t even use
00:52:03.040 their names but they’re still there and
00:52:05.599 as they’re walking out they stood at the
00:52:07.359 the thing and they’re watching me leave
00:52:09.200 and I got a I did a colomo I call it I
00:52:12.079 I’ve [laughter] got this this girl we’re
00:52:14.400 walking out and I get about a third of
00:52:17.040 the way through the lobby and she said
00:52:18.480 now Mr. you didn’t find anything wrong,
00:52:20.480 did you? I said, "No, I didn’t." And she
00:52:22.800 goes, "Everything was absolutely
00:52:24.160 accurate." And I said, "Yes, it was."
00:52:26.240 And I Every printer printed perfectly.
00:52:28.400 And I said, "And every ballot counted
00:52:30.160 perfectly."
00:52:31.839 And then I stopped. And she stopped and
00:52:34.160 she goes, "What what what’s the matter?"
00:52:36.400 And I said, "Doesn’t that surprise you?"
00:52:39.101 [laughter]
00:52:40.000 She goes, "What do you mean?" And I
00:52:42.240 said, because we just had an election
00:52:45.520 and
00:52:47.040 thousand and Carrie Lake was running
00:52:48.880 against, you know, Katie and
00:52:52.319 we had 80 machines that printed the
00:52:54.640 wrong size ballot.
00:52:55.839 >> Yeah.
00:52:56.640 >> Our
00:52:59.839 we went to go vote
00:53:01.040 >> and they said the machine wasn’t
00:53:02.319 working.
00:53:02.800 >> Well, let me tell you about that. Well,
00:53:04.559 you’ll enjoy this. So, I said to her, I
00:53:06.559 said, "Doesn’t that surprise you?"
00:53:08.720 >> It absolutely does. She goes, I’m
00:53:10.559 talking to the assistant election
00:53:12.000 director and she goes,
00:53:14.800 >> "Well, I mean,
00:53:17.760 yeah." And I said, "You know, that can’t
00:53:20.319 happen. The whole reason we do this
00:53:22.079 audit is we checked every machine. We
00:53:24.480 looked at every every machine printed on
00:53:26.880 the same paper on the same format of
00:53:29.359 ballot." I said, "You didn’t make more
00:53:31.920 than one PDF for every ballot, did you?"
00:53:35.280 She goes, "Well, of course not. No, you
00:53:37.760 use the ones that that I made. I made
00:53:40.480 them, my group. And I said, then if we
00:53:44.480 to use those on the day of on those same
00:53:48.079 machines,
00:53:49.680 why wouldn’t they have printed just
00:53:51.200 perfectly?
00:53:55.200 Well, I I don’t know. And I said, ‘Isn’t
00:53:59.119 that concerning to you that we do this
00:54:01.599 audit, that we do this certification to
00:54:03.760 make sure that what actually happened on
00:54:06.319 election day can’t happen? That’s why we
00:54:08.720 do this.
00:54:10.800 Yeah.
00:54:12.480 And I said, "So, I’m just curious." And
00:54:14.079 I start walking again [laughter]
00:54:16.000 >> and she starts walking with me again.
00:54:17.680 Now she’s trying to keep up with me
00:54:19.440 trench coat. She’s trying to keep up
00:54:21.280 with me now. And then I stop again and I
00:54:22.960 go,
00:54:25.867 >> [laughter]
00:54:28.480 >> I’m just thinking about that. That means
00:54:31.119 somebody must have Wow. It must have
00:54:34.160 been a different PDF that was used cuz a
00:54:36.319 print file that’s a PD they they’re
00:54:38.319 locked. You can’t change them,
00:54:40.640 >> right? You could
00:54:43.040 said, "In fact, those printers would
00:54:44.319 have had to print at the exact
00:54:47.920 concerning to you."
00:54:50.720 I said, "Who could have done that?"
00:54:53.280 >> Just what do you mean? I said, "Well,
00:54:54.559 somebody had to somebody interfered with
00:54:56.240 the selection. Somebody changed out the
00:54:59.040 either the file format or the print
00:55:01.520 description file that goes with the PDF
00:55:04.000 that tells the printer what size to
00:55:05.839 print either 100%." I said, "And you
00:55:08.319 know, I looked at a lot of those." Said,
00:55:10.480 "You know what I found? I know they keep
00:55:13.040 saying, well, they didn’t use a 20-in
00:55:14.559 format. They used a 19inch format." And
00:55:16.480 there was a big confusion about that. I
00:55:18.400 said, you know, they were really wrong
00:55:19.760 in both cases. Just what do you mean? I
00:55:21.839 said, there was only a 20-inch format.
00:55:23.440 You know that, right? She goes, "Well,
00:55:26.000 what what do you mean?" I said, "You
00:55:28.079 made those files. You only made one
00:55:30.640 size, didn’t you?" "Well, yeah." And I
00:55:33.680 said, "You didn’t make any 19inch
00:55:35.280 files." "No." I said, "Then there
00:55:37.599 couldn’t have been any 19inch files."
00:55:42.240 That’s true.
00:55:43.839 >> And I said, "So, did you notice
00:55:46.240 something I noticed?" She goes, "What’s
00:55:47.680 that?" And I said, ‘You know, I noticed
00:55:49.119 that they were short by an inch, but did
00:55:52.000 you pay attention to how wide they were?
00:55:54.799 They not only were short by an inch out
00:55:57.119 of 20 in, they were short by an inch,
00:55:59.680 but they were a half an inch narrower.
00:56:03.680 Said, "Really?" I said, "Yeah." You
00:56:05.359 know, [clears throat] I know that cuz I
00:56:06.480 was at the election and my wife’s
00:56:08.319 wouldn’t go through the machine and mine
00:56:10.079 would. And I put them up the light like
00:56:12.160 this and I noticed that they’re narrower
00:56:14.160 and shorter. I said, "You know what that
00:56:16.559 means? That means they weren’t using a
00:56:18.799 different format. That wasn’t a
00:56:20.319 different file. They used the same file.
00:56:22.799 My file and her file the same. It just
00:56:25.520 means that they were photographically
00:56:27.119 reduced by 5%.
00:56:29.280 >> Ah, okay.
00:56:30.880 >> I said cuz the whole thing sized in.
00:56:34.079 >> Yeah. Megan’s would not go through the
00:56:35.680 machine.
00:56:36.319 >> She goes, well, why would they do that?
00:56:38.559 >> To cheat.
00:56:39.359 >> And I said, let me explain something to
00:56:41.280 you. I said, "What is the only way that
00:56:44.400 would be 100% guaranteed that if you put
00:56:47.520 that ballot into a tabular that’s going
00:56:50.640 to read it that it absolutely can’t be
00:56:54.000 read?"
00:56:57.920 What? And I said, "If it can’t find the
00:57:00.880 dots,
00:57:02.559 >> I said the minute you move that ballot,
00:57:05.040 you shrink that ballot, right? You’ve
00:57:07.040 moved the location of every voting oval.
00:57:09.359 The ones that we just spent all day, 8
00:57:11.680 hours today, we just spent the entire
00:57:13.440 day making sure those were all in the
00:57:16.000 right place and counted the right way.
00:57:19.440 Somebody made sure that on 80 of those
00:57:21.599 printers, they printed them the wrong
00:57:23.119 size. And you know why? Because that
00:57:26.720 makes all those val ballots in out
00:57:29.280 inaccurate and unreadable. They can’t be
00:57:32.160 read.
00:57:34.799 That is,
00:57:35.280 >> she goes, "Well,
00:57:37.839 why would they do that?" And I said,
00:57:39.040 "Because then those ballots have to be
00:57:40.640 adjudicated.
00:57:42.000 >> That means they go through a different
00:57:43.760 process,
00:57:44.319 >> right? They hand they hand count them."
00:57:46.559 >> Hand and they hand count them. But I
00:57:48.640 said, "You know what’s funny about that?
00:57:50.319 You know what I was told? Not one of
00:57:52.240 those ballots were handcounted."
00:57:54.400 >> Uh, so Carrie Lake won.
00:57:56.000 >> Uhhuh. Yeah.
00:57:57.599 >> She won. Wow. Well, we only
00:57:59.280 >> when I met with Carrie Lake before she
00:58:01.119 was running when um they had asked me if
00:58:04.319 I would meet with her and convince her
00:58:07.839 >> that she should run. And
00:58:08.880 >> is she going to run again?
00:58:10.000 >> No,
00:58:10.720 >> she’s done.
00:58:11.280 >> No. No. But what came out of that, she
00:58:14.000 said to me, you know, God, Bob, you’re
00:58:17.280 convincing me that if I run, I’m not
00:58:21.119 going to win. I said, oh, no, I didn’t
00:58:22.799 say that. You’re going to win. They’re
00:58:24.799 going to cheat you out of letting you
00:58:26.160 take office. Oh, you told her that.
00:58:28.160 >> Uh-huh. Before she ever before she
00:58:30.480 really and we were at the Builtmore
00:58:33.599 Country Club and and we’re having we had
00:58:35.680 in fact she said, "I’ll give you an
00:58:36.960 hour." And we had we met for an hour and
00:58:39.280 then she said, "I got to make a quick
00:58:40.559 phone call. My driver’s coming to get
00:58:42.160 me." I said, "Why?" She goes, "We need
00:58:44.240 to spend more time." We were supposed to
00:58:46.400 be done from 12 to 1. And she left at
00:58:48.960 3:15 that day.
00:58:50.559 >> Wow. because she then called her driver,
00:58:53.440 who was Jeff, her husband, [laughter]
00:58:55.680 and she said, "Hey, listen. You need to
00:58:58.079 come in and meet this man. You need to
00:58:59.680 hear what he’s got to say. You’re not
00:59:01.280 going to believe this." And so we met
00:59:04.000 and I and she goes, he said, he said,
00:59:06.640 "Then you’re convincing us they’re going
00:59:08.319 to cheat." And I said, "Listen, Carrie,
00:59:11.119 I said, we need you to run for a very,
00:59:14.000 very important reason.
00:59:16.880 We need a candidate we know is going to
00:59:18.640 win that will beat Katie on any good
00:59:21.760 day. We know that you’ll win. Here’s
00:59:24.960 what we need to have you do. We need you
00:59:27.040 to beat her so bad they have to cheat so
00:59:29.359 hard that it’ll make it easy for me to
00:59:31.359 find a obvious.
00:59:33.040 >> It’ll be that obvious. And she looked at
00:59:35.200 me with just she was just starting to
00:59:36.880 tear up and she said
00:59:40.880 >> I said Carrie you got to do it. You’ve
00:59:43.440 got to do it for the state. And I said,
00:59:46.079 ‘You have to promise me one other thing
00:59:48.160 that’s going to be very hard to do. Just
00:59:50.400 what’s that? And I said, ‘You have to
00:59:52.319 start every speech with election
00:59:54.640 integrity
00:59:56.160 that they are cheating and we’re not
00:59:57.839 going to let them cheat anymore so that
01:00:00.079 they know they have to. And we got to
01:00:02.079 talk about how they cheated. One of the
01:00:04.799 things people couldn’t understand is
01:00:06.079 after we’ve caught them cheating all
01:00:07.359 these different ways, why did I publish
01:00:09.520 papers on it and put it out there? I
01:00:11.520 told everybody we knew how they cheated,
01:00:13.200 when they cheated, where they I
01:00:14.640 published it all,
01:00:15.599 >> right? Because I knew they couldn’t do
01:00:17.760 it again. I made it that much harder for
01:00:20.319 them to cheat the next time. [laughter]
01:00:21.599 Cuz if they’re going to cheat three ways
01:00:24.240 and you lay all three ways out there and
01:00:25.760 say, "Well, if they call this or they do
01:00:27.520 that, they did that’s cheating."
01:00:29.680 Everybody would know that’s cheating.
01:00:30.960 So, they had to find a new way. The new
01:00:32.559 way was get enough ballots that couldn’t
01:00:35.440 be read by the tabulators that had Now,
01:00:37.920 they say they reread them. Now, here’s
01:00:39.599 what I know about that.
01:00:41.200 if they did what they say they did. And
01:00:43.359 in fact, just I I can’t tell you why I
01:00:46.480 know this, but I do know that they
01:00:48.640 actually did read them through a
01:00:49.760 tabulator. In other words, they took
01:00:51.839 those ballots and they could feed them
01:00:54.880 through a tabulator. But to do that
01:00:57.119 meant they were using an uncertifiable
01:00:59.040 machine, an uncertified machine, one
01:01:01.440 that I hadn’t approved when I hadn’t
01:01:03.359 done the LNA on it. So had they admitted
01:01:05.839 that they had done that, they would have
01:01:08.160 had to admit that that election was
01:01:10.160 uncertifiable.
01:01:11.920 It violated Hoba.
01:01:13.440 >> Oh, gotcha.
01:01:14.480 >> That violated it.
01:01:15.680 >> So they would have immediately announced
01:01:17.599 to the world, yeah, we cheated. We Yeah,
01:01:21.040 we are uncertifiable. That election
01:01:23.119 can’t count. They have to rerun it. In
01:01:24.960 fact, there’s a group in in Maricopa
01:01:26.799 called Rerun Maricopa. And that was
01:01:28.799 their whole point. You got to rerun it.
01:01:31.839 Didn’t obviously. and it went all the
01:01:33.839 way to the Supreme Court and it was um
01:01:36.640 they contacted me about two days before
01:01:38.799 this the next election Trump’s election
01:01:41.359 when he got re-elected 2024
01:01:44.000 and it was all ready to be heard by the
01:01:45.680 Supreme Court because it violated Hava.
01:01:48.960 >> Yeah.
01:01:49.440 >> And they said, you know, we’re not going
01:01:50.559 to be able to hear this until after the
01:01:52.240 election.
01:01:53.119 >> And then after the election, they came
01:01:54.559 back and they said, you know what they
01:01:55.760 said? There’s really no point now in
01:01:57.680 hearing it because all those positions
01:02:00.799 have been reelected and there’s you know
01:02:02.799 there’s no remedi they call remedy.
01:02:04.720 There’s no point in a case if you can’t
01:02:06.079 have a remedy and there’s no remedy.
01:02:07.599 >> Yeah. Mootness is a big uh big doctrine
01:02:10.720 for the Supreme Court.
01:02:11.839 >> So they basically said it’s a moot point
01:02:14.480 because we can’t do anything about this
01:02:17.440 now.
01:02:18.000 >> Yeah. cuz there’s something now. We know
01:02:20.880 now they also know that the arguments
01:02:25.040 were absolutely grounded in law. Those
01:02:29.280 elections weren’t certifiable.
01:02:31.280 >> Yeah.
01:02:31.599 >> So
01:02:32.400 >> Bob, I feel like we’ve just scratched
01:02:34.799 the surface with you. Honestly, there is
01:02:36.880 so much more that we need to get into.
01:02:39.743 [laughter]
01:02:40.400 >> Yeah. Will you come back again?
01:02:41.839 >> I’d love to. I mean,
01:02:42.880 >> we didn’t even get a chance to get the
01:02:44.559 stories that that just kept us
01:02:47.280 captivated for years.
01:02:49.280 >> Well, it’s and the funny part of it is
01:02:51.680 it’s nothing and I and I tell people
01:02:53.920 this all the time. It is nothing I could
01:02:56.799 arrange myself.
01:02:58.000 >> Yeah. It’s all about
01:02:58.640 >> these are way beyond me. These are
01:03:00.880 things and I I the perfect example is
01:03:05.280 literally I had stitches taken out of my
01:03:07.839 hand yesterday. my hand is bandaged
01:03:09.920 because I just had five stitches taken
01:03:12.160 out and I wanted to find out. The doctor
01:03:14.559 said, "Well, you’re it’s gonna hurt. I
01:03:16.559 don’t know if I’d go play golf on with
01:03:18.319 it right away." And I said, "Well, I
01:03:19.520 just want to go see if I can even grip
01:03:20.880 the club." And so, I went to a golf
01:03:22.640 course that was closed at 5:00
01:03:24.319 yesterday.
01:03:26.079 And I went to walk on and the guy said,
01:03:28.319 "Hey, you know, we’re closed." I said,
01:03:29.440 "Yeah, I know. I’m just going to hit
01:03:30.720 five or six ball. I just want to see
01:03:32.000 what it feels like." Why are you doing
01:03:33.200 that? And I said, "I had my hand
01:03:34.480 operated on." He said, ‘ Man, you must
01:03:36.480 really love golf a lot, you know. And I
01:03:40.240 I’m telling you this, I swear this is
01:03:42.319 true. It’s I could even give you his
01:03:44.079 name. It’s so weird. He says to me, um I
01:03:48.160 said, "Well, you must love golf. I mean,
01:03:49.839 you’re out here driving a golf thing,
01:03:51.839 picking up golf balls at 5:00 at night."
01:03:54.960 I said, "Must be your hobby." And he
01:03:57.119 goes, "No, my hobby, Selection
01:03:59.359 Integrity." [laughter] And I turned and
01:04:01.839 I looked at him and I said, "What did
01:04:04.240 you just say?" I said, "Do I know you?"
01:04:06.720 And he goes, "No." I said, "Do you know
01:04:08.720 who I am?" He goes, "No,
01:04:11.920 I don’t think." And he looks at me and
01:04:14.079 he goes, "Wait, did you used to be
01:04:16.960 heavier?" [laughter]
01:04:19.359 I said, "Yeah, 70 lbs." He goes, "Maybe
01:04:23.359 I do know you are. What’s your name?"
01:04:24.960 And I told him, he goes, "Oh my god,
01:04:26.319 you’re the guy." And I said, "What do
01:04:29.200 you mean?" He said, ‘I have a website
01:04:32.319 and my website is where people go to
01:04:35.359 list things that they saw in the
01:04:37.280 election that are anomalies, things that
01:04:39.280 are wrong, things that need to be. And
01:04:41.039 he said, "I’ve been collecting them for
01:04:42.319 the last couple of years." And I was
01:04:44.240 just talking to the the Maricopa County
01:04:46.960 uh people, the assistant chairman, and
01:04:49.839 I’ve got a meeting with her coming up
01:04:51.440 Thursday. That’s tomorrow or Thursday.
01:04:54.319 Two days.
01:04:54.799 >> Two days.
01:04:56.240 >> And I said, "Really? With Shelby?" He
01:04:58.000 goes, "Yeah." And I said, "Just got done
01:05:00.720 texting her." Why? And I said, ‘ Because
01:05:03.200 she’s in Washington DC right now
01:05:05.440 meeting, giving some information. She
01:05:07.760 said, ‘But there’s, you know, I got this
01:05:10.160 stuff I want to take to her cuz she’s
01:05:11.920 going to talk to this guy that’s And I
01:05:14.559 laughed and I said, "No way.
01:05:17.359 >> No, that’s"
01:05:18.000 >> I said, "No way. You’re not You’re
01:05:19.359 kidding." He goes, "No,
01:05:20.720 >> no coincidence."
01:05:21.599 >> And I said I said, "Okay, look, there’s
01:05:24.880 no coincidences in this."
01:05:26.480 >> Yeah. I said, "The chances on a Monday
01:05:30.000 afternoon at 5:00,
01:05:32.400 I would run into you on a golf course
01:05:34.480 that’s closed and you would say to me,
01:05:37.599 "Your hobbies, and
01:05:40.319 this is God must have something. You
01:05:43.359 must have something that God wants me to
01:05:45.200 know." Cuz I said, "Yeah, I do know what
01:05:48.880 to do with it."
01:05:50.160 >> Oh, amazing.
01:05:50.960 >> Well, yeah. And I I I love that that you
01:05:53.839 uh throughout your entire life and and
01:05:56.880 career, you’ve always brought it back to
01:06:00.160 God’s calling, God’s direction, and
01:06:02.480 that’s so important to us. And
01:06:04.799 >> so, um that’s
01:06:08.480 that’s something we definitely have to
01:06:10.000 have you back for story time with Bob.
01:06:12.480 >> Yeah.
01:06:13.200 >> And uh we’ll always keep it focused on
01:06:16.319 on God’s involvement as well. But we
01:06:18.960 appreciate you
01:06:19.520 >> and that’s really where it’s at. I’ve
01:06:21.119 not, you know,
01:06:23.760 I have been unbelievably blessed.
01:06:27.280 Unbelievably blessed. In fact, the most
01:06:30.000 humbling thing ever said to me was this
01:06:32.319 guy that stopped me in the airport in
01:06:34.160 Los Angeles when I had asked God for an
01:06:36.960 answer and he stopped me to let me know
01:06:38.799 that God was letting him know that I
01:06:41.680 wasn’t listening. I still wasn’t
01:06:43.119 listening. I mean, that’s just like
01:06:45.680 beyond, right? And I said, he said, I
01:06:49.599 said to him, this is when that George
01:06:52.000 Burns movie had come out,
01:06:53.599 >> right? It’s 30 years ago. And I leaned
01:06:55.440 over to this little guy and I said, "Are
01:06:57.200 you God?" [laughter]
01:07:00.720 And he
01:07:02.720 he and he had this funny look on his
01:07:05.599 face [laughter] and he put his hand up
01:07:07.200 on my shoulder and he goes, "No, I’m a
01:07:09.839 prophet just like you." And I said, "Oh,
01:07:13.200 I’m not a prophet." I said, "God doesn’t
01:07:15.520 talk to me." He goes, "Oh, so you think
01:07:18.480 you’ve accomplished all this on your
01:07:20.400 own." And I just went, "Oh, [laughter]
01:07:24.400 oh my gosh." I said, "Oh, okay, Lord. I
01:07:28.480 am sorry. Yes, I I’m sorry."
01:07:30.799 >> He could have put his hand on your
01:07:32.079 shoulder and said, "No, I’m George
01:07:33.841 [laughter] Burns."
01:07:34.720 >> Yeah, that would But he did he did then
01:07:37.760 end up saying to me, he said, "You know,
01:07:41.039 you asked for a verbal answer." I said,
01:07:43.039 "Yeah." And he said, ‘ But you know the
01:07:45.520 answer.
01:07:47.440 I said, ‘Yeah.’ And he said, ‘But just
01:07:50.079 so you’ll hear it. It’s no. [laughter]
01:07:53.440 And I thought, ‘Oh my gosh. I mean, you
01:07:56.319 can’t have Well, you can’t have those
01:07:59.440 things. I mean, my great-grandmother at
01:08:01.359 104 told me what God wanted me to know
01:08:04.240 and then said, "Tell me goodbye." And I
01:08:06.079 kissed her on the forehead. She never
01:08:07.280 took another breath.
01:08:08.559 >> Yeah.
01:08:09.039 >> I mean,
01:08:09.839 >> and and here you are and it’s actually
01:08:11.599 playing out.
01:08:12.240 >> Oh, and I’ve seen it now. You you can’t
01:08:14.720 live through the things I’ve lived
01:08:16.080 through and see the things I’ve seen and
01:08:19.120 not understand it’s God.
01:08:21.279 >> Yeah.
01:08:22.158 >> And if you’re you can get this part of
01:08:24.399 you know I’m almost 73 years old. It’s a
01:08:27.040 little too late now. I’ve learned now it
01:08:29.920 was harder to have faith when I was
01:08:32.000 young. It’s easy to have faith now.
01:08:34.799 >> Yeah. Because you can look back and see
01:08:36.399 it all
01:08:36.960 >> over and over and now you you look back
01:08:39.439 >> 2020, right?
01:08:40.158 >> Yeah. And and look, let’s be honest.
01:08:44.080 We’ll close with this.
01:08:45.359 >> Okay.
01:08:45.839 >> Okay. Um,
01:08:48.479 if you look at the world and I’ve I’ve
01:08:51.439 used this analogy. If if your boat sinks
01:08:54.479 and you swim to shore and you walk onto
01:08:56.479 the beach and you wonder if it’s a
01:08:58.238 habited inhabited island or a desert,
01:09:00.880 you know, nobody lives here. Anybody’s
01:09:02.560 ever been here. And you look down and
01:09:04.399 there’s a wristwatch laying on the sand.
01:09:06.238 You pick it up and it says 12:00 and you
01:09:08.799 look up and the sun straight overhead.
01:09:11.040 What do you say? Oh my gosh, what a
01:09:14.000 coincidence of [laughter] the universe.
01:09:16.238 The universe shook up all the elements
01:09:19.040 and made a wristwatch that’s keeping
01:09:21.261 [laughter] time.
01:09:22.399 >> No, you’d go, "Oh my gosh, somebody’s
01:09:25.198 been here before me. There’s somebody’s
01:09:27.198 this watch was made by somebody,
01:09:29.679 >> right?"
01:09:30.158 >> And set. Yet, you can look at a brand
01:09:32.640 newborn baby or a tree and not say, "Of
01:09:37.759 course there’s a God that made that,
01:09:39.603 [laughter]
01:09:39.920 >> right?" I mean, come on.
01:09:41.359 >> All the elements just kind of happen
01:09:42.960 together.
01:09:43.520 >> Oh, yeah. This world is just what it is
01:09:46.080 because it’s just pure coincidence. You
01:09:48.719 know, here’s the thing. If we were made
01:09:51.198 by natural selection and just by happen
01:09:53.439 stance, where are all the failures,
01:09:56.320 right? Where all the, you know, where
01:09:57.920 all the two armed one-legged, you know,
01:10:00.320 people? Where all the, you know, those
01:10:02.480 those don’t exist?
01:10:04.159 >> Yeah.
01:10:04.880 >> This is an accident. We are here for a
01:10:07.440 purpose and for a reason. And um if you
01:10:10.880 look at how many thousand you probably
01:10:13.679 know how many different
01:10:16.400 >> how many prophecies have been fulfilled
01:10:19.520 and how few left are left to be
01:10:21.440 fulfilled. In fact, you and I when we
01:10:23.679 were meeting back when you were Jewish,
01:10:25.840 right? Of course, you’re still Jewish.
01:10:28.000 >> And the one of the funny things that I
01:10:30.159 remember saying to you was, "What’s the
01:10:32.000 difference in a Christian and a Jew?"
01:10:33.920 And the only difference is every
01:10:36.239 Christian believes the the first half of
01:10:38.800 the Bible. Also, the only difference in
01:10:41.120 a Christian and a Jew is that some Jews
01:10:43.360 haven’t seen the Messiah yet and some
01:10:45.360 realize he’s already come.
01:10:46.960 >> Yep.
01:10:47.440 >> And the minute you realize, oh my gosh,
01:10:49.679 yeah, I guess he did come. [laughter]
01:10:51.600 Then you’re a Christian.
01:10:53.120 >> Changes everything.
01:10:54.080 >> It changes everything. Yet, it really
01:10:56.320 changes nothing.
01:10:57.440 >> Took the words right out of my mouth.
01:10:58.880 That’s exactly what I was going to say.
01:11:00.480 It changes. changes everything but
01:11:02.560 changes nothing
01:11:04.320 >> cuz it’s all there.
01:11:07.040 >> Yeah.
01:11:07.840 >> It’s just a matter of understanding
01:11:10.800 and I I can’t even tell you all these
01:11:13.520 other things, but there’s um
01:11:16.719 there’s so many more things coming.
01:11:18.560 >> Oh, yeah.
01:11:19.120 >> There’s um there’s a guy that’s Jewish
01:11:22.320 that that literally when when
01:11:27.199 I don’t even know if I’ve told you guys
01:11:29.199 this. Do you know I’m a Knights Templar?
01:11:31.840 >> Yes. You told us that. [laughter]
01:11:33.520 Incredible.
01:11:34.719 >> I didn’t know there were Knights. I
01:11:37.199 didn’t believe they were.
01:11:38.000 >> I found out my dad was.
01:11:39.440 >> I didn’t. Well, and I found a bunch of
01:11:41.280 other people have been. I didn’t know
01:11:43.120 that. But
01:11:44.800 >> But aren’t you a Mason? Freemason. Your
01:11:47.679 grandfather’s.
01:11:48.320 >> My great-grandfather.
01:11:48.960 >> Okay, I’m opening up a whole another can
01:11:50.320 of words.
01:11:50.800 >> We’ll go into that. But we’ll go into
01:11:52.159 another time. But here’s the thing that
01:11:54.080 that’s
01:11:56.000 you know it turns out a guy named Hughes
01:11:58.080 de Pon okay the name Hughes my last name
01:12:01.440 Hughes he’s Hughes he was Hugh de Pon is
01:12:05.840 who started the Knights Templar him and
01:12:07.280 a guy named Jacqu de Malay
01:12:09.520 >> and they formed the Knights Templar to
01:12:11.199 protect the temple now some things that
01:12:13.280 we’ll get to later because you’re going
01:12:14.719 to want to know this
01:12:17.120 >> they when they went back and took the
01:12:19.360 temple back after the Muslims were moved
01:12:21.600 out and they went back and started
01:12:23.120 cleaning the sites up. They found a
01:12:25.040 catacomb and in that catacomb they found
01:12:27.760 the artifacts of the original temple and
01:12:30.560 those have now been returned to
01:12:32.640 Jerusalem. Those artifacts and I can’t
01:12:36.159 give you all the details but those
01:12:38.159 artifacts are now in the possession of
01:12:40.560 the Jews.
01:12:41.440 >> Wow.
01:12:42.719 >> That’s amazing.
01:12:43.440 >> I love it.
01:12:44.400 >> Yeah. 2,000 years later.
01:12:48.400 >> Well, we’ll have to talk about that next
01:12:49.840 time he’s here and more. Bob will have
01:12:52.320 to be a regular if he will allow us to
01:12:54.800 do that. It’s
01:12:55.920 >> and there’s lots of other people that
01:12:57.360 are gonna start being able to come
01:12:58.640 forward.
01:12:59.280 >> I love it.
01:13:00.239 >> It’s the the people in the United
01:13:02.080 States, we deserve to know the truth.
01:13:04.320 >> Yes, we do.
01:13:05.280 >> And unfortunately, some of the truth is
01:13:07.840 so fantastical,
01:13:09.679 you know, it’s hard to believe.
01:13:11.040 >> Yeah.
01:13:11.679 >> You know, and then some of the truth,
01:13:13.520 you know, some crazy things. I There’s
01:13:15.440 some talk recent about UFOs,
01:13:17.520 >> right?
01:13:17.920 >> Remember the three lights over Phoenix
01:13:20.080 years ago?
01:13:21.280 They they hovered over Phoenix and then
01:13:23.120 they they moved apart and then they flew
01:13:25.040 off really fast.
01:13:26.640 >> Okay. And
01:13:28.560 >> you know
01:13:29.040 >> that wasn’t you, was it?
01:13:30.800 >> It wasn’t me, but I do know what it was.
01:13:32.785 [laughter]
01:13:33.199 >> What was it? We’ll end with that. What
01:13:35.360 was it, Bob?
01:13:36.560 >> Those were three of our drones and they
01:13:40.400 were practicing
01:13:42.400 >> that many years ago. Oh my god.
01:13:44.320 Technology.
01:13:45.120 >> Okay. You know, I don’t know if I can
01:13:47.280 tell you this. No, you can’t tell us
01:13:48.880 because we
01:13:49.520 >> we got to run out of time. Anyway,
01:13:51.040 there’s there’s [laughter] there’s a lot
01:13:52.480 more
01:13:53.840 >> there’s a lot more to that story.
01:13:55.840 >> All right.
01:13:56.239 >> There’s a lot more.
01:13:57.280 >> Next time for sure. Thank you so much
01:13:59.199 for being here, Bob. We really
01:14:00.560 appreciate it. Always a great time
01:14:02.560 getting together with you.
01:14:03.840 >> I love you guys. So,
01:14:05.040 >> yeah, we love you, too.
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