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KISS, Rejection & a Rocker’s Calling: Ryan McKay on Music, Family & Faith | Cross Examined

00:00:00.160 Welcome to Cross-examine with the
00:00:01.520 Gerbers. I’m Ken Gerber. It’s my wife,
00:00:03.360 Megan Gerber. Hi, Megan.
00:00:05.040 >> Hi.
00:00:09.440 >> And we are honored to have a good friend
00:00:11.280 of ours here with us today, Ryan McKay.
00:00:13.280 Welcome, Ryan.
00:00:14.000 >> Well, thanks for having me, both of you.
00:00:15.839 Yeah, this is a great podcasting studio.
00:00:17.840 I’m looking forward to this
00:00:18.720 conversation.
00:00:19.520 >> Yeah, we’re super excited to have you
00:00:21.199 here. We get to see you often. Not super
00:00:24.960 often,
00:00:25.840 >> but semi- often. we semi often because
00:00:28.880 you you’re a you’re the recording
00:00:31.439 engineer for our son Jack’s music that
00:00:34.960 he’s recording right now.
00:00:36.000 >> Yeah. So, I’m kind of the co-producer
00:00:39.520 and engineer mixer mixologist
00:00:42.960 >> for Three Heart Cross with with your son
00:00:45.440 Jack who is a super talented kid, man.
00:00:48.000 It’s really a pleasure
00:00:49.680 >> uh to work with him because he’s
00:00:51.760 >> he’s fearless and uh it’s really fun
00:00:55.760 with me and Adams who you’ve had on this
00:00:58.160 show if I’m not mistaken. Yes.
00:00:59.840 >> Yes.
00:01:00.239 >> Uh the three of us make a really good
00:01:02.800 team together and so it’s a lot of fun.
00:01:04.799 >> Absolutely you do. And Megan and I like
00:01:07.920 to go there for the music, but also just
00:01:11.600 to kind of hang out and watch you guys
00:01:13.920 in the process. And then the tangents
00:01:16.640 start and you guys are off in one
00:01:19.200 direction, then off in another
00:01:20.640 direction. Well, the problem is AD and I
00:01:23.840 go back 25 years.
00:01:26.479 >> Yeah.
00:01:27.119 >> So, and we’re we’re best of friends and
00:01:31.119 as soon as we get going, it’s hard to
00:01:33.040 get us. It’s like if we were in a
00:01:35.280 classroom in fourth grade together, we
00:01:37.360 would have been separated by the
00:01:38.799 teacher. Like we can’t have that Adams
00:01:41.600 boy and that McKay boy sit next to each
00:01:44.320 other cuz we just get going and and we
00:01:47.119 start talking about music or pop
00:01:49.360 culture. It doesn’t matter. We’ll just
00:01:50.960 go off and and then we’re cracking each
00:01:53.040 other up.
00:01:53.600 >> Oh yeah, you guys are hilarious. This
00:01:55.360 weekend I took a picture of AD and
00:01:56.960 you’re like, he looks like a porpus.
00:02:00.399 >> That was so funny. And I think I was
00:02:02.640 laughing about it for the last week,
00:02:05.600 but then he’s like, "You know, you
00:02:07.200 thought I was sexy even when I was sexy
00:02:09.758 or something."
00:02:10.399 >> I don’t know what he said,
00:02:11.840 >> you guys. So, how So, you guys have been
00:02:14.319 on in how many bands together? Can you
00:02:16.879 tell?
00:02:17.120 >> Oh, man.
00:02:17.840 >> So, if people want to look you up and
00:02:19.680 look where you’ve been,
00:02:20.879 >> it’s probably easier for me to just
00:02:23.440 quickly trace uh our our relationship
00:02:26.080 together. Like,
00:02:27.280 >> so I first bumped into him. He was a sub
00:02:31.200 drummer in a just a barb cover band and
00:02:35.519 uh we hit it off. Um first of all, he’s
00:02:39.280 an amazing drummer. Let’s get that out
00:02:41.120 of the way. He’s a accomplished
00:02:42.480 musician. One of the best best drummers
00:02:45.360 I’ve ever worked with. Maybe the the
00:02:47.280 best.
00:02:47.680 >> Wow. Um, and I remember talking to him a
00:02:52.000 little bit uh at that first meeting and
00:02:56.959 then flash forward to like 6 months
00:02:59.440 later, he just subbed for one show, but
00:03:01.760 I always remembered him. But then
00:03:03.680 famously, there was a concert at the
00:03:06.640 baseball stadium called New Year’s Evil,
00:03:08.959 and it was Black Sabbath was the
00:03:10.560 headliner and a bunch of heavy metal
00:03:12.080 bands. And I’m standing in line and I’m
00:03:14.720 looking at this guy and it’s been six
00:03:16.480 months and we’ve only done one show
00:03:17.840 together, but I’m like I think that’s
00:03:19.120 that drummer. And then he’s looking at
00:03:20.720 me like going
00:03:22.239 >> and what year is this?
00:03:23.680 >> 98.
00:03:24.720 >> Okay.
00:03:25.200 >> So we Yeah. But we hadn’t we never even
00:03:28.080 talked. It was just sort of like
00:03:30.799 where do I know you from?
00:03:32.319 >> You look familiar.
00:03:33.120 >> Where do I know you from? But but he
00:03:34.560 subbed again and I go was that you at
00:03:36.480 New Year’s Eve? I go yes that’s where I
00:03:38.319 know you from. Yeah. So um he’s such a
00:03:41.599 great drummer. And then he approached me
00:03:44.400 um to fill in as a guitarist for a
00:03:47.519 project he was doing with Pete Lauren.
00:03:49.360 Pete Lauren was the lead singer of a of
00:03:51.680 a 80s band called Trickster, who was an
00:03:54.959 MTV kind of era band, but Pete Pete had
00:03:57.920 done a solo album. And so they were
00:04:00.400 touring on or performing on on in
00:04:03.040 support of that. So AD comes over to my
00:04:06.319 apartment. He goes, "Hey man, you want
00:04:07.519 to fill in for Pete Lauren and on guitar
00:04:10.480 as a lead guitarist?" Sure, that sounds
00:04:12.400 great. So, I did uh a show and that’s
00:04:15.760 kind of where we started. And I and I
00:04:17.600 was starting to date my wife uh who
00:04:20.478 would become my wife at the time. And I
00:04:22.240 remember telling her, I go, you know, if
00:04:25.520 I could just get a drummer like that for
00:04:29.040 my music, I think we could really do
00:04:31.040 something. I just got to convince this
00:04:32.639 guy that I’m a good songwriter. Because
00:04:35.120 he he didn’t know that I was a
00:04:36.800 songwriter. he just knew me as a a a
00:04:39.600 flashy lead guitarist, you know.
00:04:41.759 >> Um so eventually uh it came to that
00:04:45.040 where I kind of approached him and and
00:04:48.080 we started recording uh with Pete from
00:04:51.199 Trickster. We formed a band of original
00:04:53.360 music uh called Super Soul Fighter. And
00:04:55.280 that’s really and that album is still
00:04:57.600 unreleased. Um but it was the first
00:05:00.720 >> Wait, why is it unreleased?
00:05:03.520 >> There’s been talk of releasing it. Uh, I
00:05:06.400 don’t know why it’s not really released
00:05:08.560 yet other than we just need I want to
00:05:11.440 make sure everybody gets taken care of.
00:05:13.280 >> Oh, okay.
00:05:14.160 >> While I’m the songwriter, there’s the
00:05:16.000 there’s Pete is involved in it. So,
00:05:18.000 there’s a lot of stuff and Pete was
00:05:19.680 releasing I was going to do it like a
00:05:21.680 last year, but Pete was putting out a
00:05:24.320 new new music and I was putting out new
00:05:26.240 music and I didn’t want to muddy the
00:05:27.600 waters basically. So, yes, it will come
00:05:29.840 out. It’s just demos really. So, it’s
00:05:32.400 not like full-on production, but so that
00:05:36.880 so that band um kind of fizzled after a
00:05:39.919 while and then I got more involved in my
00:05:43.680 personal life with my wife and I just
00:05:45.600 like I don’t want to write songs right
00:05:48.240 now. I’m just happy being married. We
00:05:49.919 just got married and yeah,
00:05:51.120 >> we’re just Yeah, I just wanted a break
00:05:53.039 anyway. And uh
00:05:54.720 >> the Oh, I should backtrack. The Super
00:05:56.479 Soul Fighter thing was because of my
00:05:58.240 previous band. We had a connection with
00:05:59.919 Electra Records. We were really close to
00:06:02.000 getting a a record deal with my previous
00:06:04.960 band and uh I was wanting to use those
00:06:09.039 connections to pitch electric records on
00:06:13.199 um my solo stuff. Completely rejected
00:06:17.120 me.
00:06:17.919 >> Oh no. How does and how do you and as
00:06:20.160 somebody that’s doing that maybe for the
00:06:21.759 first time, how do you overcome
00:06:24.080 something like that, if there’s somebody
00:06:25.759 else that’s trying to do that as a
00:06:27.440 musician out there, how do they handle
00:06:29.600 that rejection?
00:06:31.440 >> Well, for me it was like, okay,
00:06:34.160 whatever, you know, at least I tried,
00:06:36.400 >> you know, and I thought it’s a tough
00:06:38.400 it’s a tough business because you you
00:06:40.160 have like
00:06:42.080 you put your heart and soul into
00:06:43.520 something and then you send it off. And
00:06:45.360 I literally talked to the guy on the
00:06:46.880 phone and he’s like,
00:06:48.160 >> "Yeah, I don’t really hear anything."
00:06:50.319 >> Just that blunt.
00:06:51.360 >> Just blunt.
00:06:52.160 >> Wow.
00:06:52.720 >> And it’s like, "Oh, okay."
00:06:54.080 >> Well, I mean, Ryan, you got to
00:06:55.280 understand, we have to have a real
00:06:56.880 bonafide hit single here, and I don’t
00:06:59.039 hear one. And I said, "Okay." And that
00:07:02.080 was it. Click. And the and the show is
00:07:04.240 over. So, so what do you do from that
00:07:07.280 is, "Well, I’m not going to quit, you
00:07:09.280 know. I’m going to go back and we’re
00:07:10.800 going to continue to write." So, um, I
00:07:13.039 wrote a bunch more songs. The band, we
00:07:15.599 did a couple of gigs, but, you know,
00:07:17.759 again, I I left the group to kind of
00:07:20.000 just,
00:07:21.840 so a lot of that me taking that year off
00:07:24.560 was sort of like licking my wounds.
00:07:27.120 >> Yeah, I was just going to say
00:07:28.400 >> from that, like, let me just kind of re
00:07:30.479 reconjigure
00:07:32.000 >> uh the the idea here.
00:07:34.240 >> Did you Did you ever go to another
00:07:35.599 record label after that?
00:07:37.039 >> I didn’t have any contacts. This was a
00:07:38.880 really good contact. This guy had signed
00:07:40.880 a lot of bands um and was pretty well
00:07:43.680 known in the in the industry. But um so
00:07:46.160 once that contact was gone, it’s like,
00:07:47.759 well, I don’t want to I just want to
00:07:49.360 take a break.
00:07:50.479 >> I see.
00:07:50.960 >> Let’s not think of it like that. Let’s
00:07:52.880 think of it like ultimately what
00:07:56.160 happened was I’m going to think of it
00:07:58.080 like I’m just going to do what I want to
00:08:00.160 do. And that was the last that project
00:08:03.120 and that call marked the end of me
00:08:07.759 trying to write for someone else.
00:08:09.759 >> Oh,
00:08:10.240 >> I’m writing now for me.
00:08:12.000 >> Mhm.
00:08:12.319 >> Okay, that makes sense.
00:08:13.440 >> Yeah. And so that that was kind of like
00:08:15.199 that door slammed and I went, "Okay,
00:08:17.199 cool. Now I’m free.
00:08:18.639 >> It’s showing me what I’m supposed to be
00:08:20.160 doing."
00:08:20.560 >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, I think that was
00:08:23.120 a a good learning experience, but it was
00:08:25.599 it was me. Yes. Okay. Now, I’m not going
00:08:28.720 to worry about what other people think.
00:08:30.639 >> Yeah.
00:08:31.039 >> I’m just going to do what what I do. And
00:08:32.799 that’s when I became more successful.
00:08:35.120 When you do stuff from the heart that
00:08:37.440 you want to do, it’s real.
00:08:39.279 >> Yeah. They say if you love what you do,
00:08:40.640 you never work a day in your life. And
00:08:42.559 you, you know, you’re doing something
00:08:44.000 for somebody else and they’re telling
00:08:45.279 you what, like, you know, for me, I do
00:08:47.680 resin art and that’s a type of art, but
00:08:50.720 it’s not this, it’s not music. But if
00:08:52.320 somebody were to come in here and
00:08:54.080 obviously if I’m doing a picture for
00:08:55.600 someone, that’s different. But and then
00:08:57.920 you know somebody’s like, "Oh, I want to
00:08:59.200 put this and that. I think it’s just so
00:09:01.279 gay." It doesn’t give me that free
00:09:03.760 spirit of making it beautiful that I’m
00:09:06.560 thinking about. So I can imagine signing
00:09:08.720 with a record label. It’s the same thing
00:09:10.480 where they’re like, "I want you to do
00:09:11.920 this, this, this, and this." And then
00:09:13.680 you kind of lose that fire for it. I I
00:09:16.080 suppose.
00:09:16.720 >> That’s a really good point. Really good
00:09:18.880 point. Because yeah, had I had that
00:09:21.120 phone call gone the other way, I would
00:09:24.080 then probably been miserable.
00:09:26.080 >> Yeah. being told what to do and that’s
00:09:28.080 not how my
00:09:30.080 >> artistic side works. I don’t want to be
00:09:32.320 told anything like you with your resin
00:09:34.000 art. Like it’s like I don’t
00:09:35.839 >> want anyone saying what I should do. I
00:09:38.240 know what I’m doing. I’m you know I have
00:09:41.120 a purpose and I need to see it through.
00:09:43.440 I mean I I am open to criticism or open
00:09:46.240 to changes
00:09:48.000 but um what I really want is
00:09:51.920 >> is autonomy. let me just let me get my
00:09:55.040 vision down and if it doesn’t work, it
00:09:56.959 doesn’t work. And I’m cool with that.
00:09:58.160 You can, oh, and we’ll all realize it
00:09:59.920 together. And I’m, oh yeah, that was a
00:10:01.440 bad idea.
00:10:02.399 >> It ain’t like every idea I have is
00:10:04.080 great, you know.
00:10:05.600 >> Um, and so that’s the attitude that I
00:10:07.839 carry with me. It’s like I do want
00:10:09.440 feedback, you know, but I need to see my
00:10:11.360 vision first.
00:10:12.160 >> Sure.
00:10:12.640 >> Yeah. Totally. Well, and and tying that
00:10:15.200 into to what you were talking about with
00:10:17.360 AD and and us seeing you two in the
00:10:19.839 studio now. You said, you know, there’s
00:10:23.120 some bad ideas. Maybe there’s some
00:10:24.959 >> Yeah.
00:10:25.279 >> You know, some people say there’s no
00:10:26.640 such thing as a bad idea. You guys truly
00:10:29.839 just throw out a ton of different ideas.
00:10:32.000 Have you guys always done that with each
00:10:33.680 other?
00:10:34.079 >> Totally. Yeah. Whatever pops into AD’s
00:10:37.680 head or my head. Yeah, we’ll try it.
00:10:40.000 >> Yeah.
00:10:40.399 >> But AD will say that about Ryan all the
00:10:42.000 time, he’ll be like, "Uh, I was thinking
00:10:44.640 I don’t know. I and I’m not quoting him
00:10:46.399 perfectly, but from what I gathered, it
00:10:48.800 was kind of like, oh, this X, Y, and Z,
00:10:50.959 I don’t think it’s going to work. I want
00:10:52.079 something. And then he goes, Ryan would
00:10:53.600 come back like five hours later be like,
00:10:55.200 I just wrote a song from your little
00:10:56.480 idea. They’re 80.
00:10:57.760 >> Yeah.
00:10:58.160 >> And he’s like, Ryan can throw away throw
00:11:00.160 together anything and it sounds great.
00:11:02.720 >> Oh, that’s a great compliment. Yeah. I
00:11:04.880 mean, I’ve been a songwriter before I
00:11:07.440 even knew how to play guitar. Like so
00:11:09.040 when I start as a kid
00:11:11.279 >> um I took lessons that were awful like
00:11:15.440 >> oh no
00:11:16.000 >> I’m 12 years of age and I got an
00:11:17.920 acoustic guitar and I we go to Spurer’s
00:11:20.000 music in Quincy. I’m from Quincy
00:11:21.519 Illinois which is in central Illinois by
00:11:23.839 Mississippi River.
00:11:24.720 >> I considered it southern Illinois but
00:11:26.240 that’s okay.
00:11:26.640 >> Oh you’re Chicago. Oh
00:11:29.760 >> that’s not fair.
00:11:30.640 >> I know. I know
00:11:31.279 >> I’m a country bumpkin to you. Aren’t I’m
00:11:33.279 not a city slicker.
00:11:36.720 >> I know. I’m like right off of the like
00:11:39.519 fall off a turnup truck. Right.
00:11:40.880 >> It’s so funny. If you’re southern south
00:11:42.480 of Chicago, it’s like, "Oh, you live in
00:11:44.160 southern Illinois." No, I don’t.
00:11:45.920 >> Yeah. What?
00:11:46.560 >> Central.
00:11:47.040 >> I My phone keeps going off. I’m sorry
00:11:48.720 everybody. I keep putting on a vibrate
00:11:50.399 and it’s just wanting me bad. It’s like,
00:11:54.079 >> so my first guitar lesson experience was
00:11:56.399 dreadful because there was this teacher
00:11:58.480 Patty and uh she was pregnant and she
00:12:01.360 was kicking back in her chair smoking
00:12:03.760 ash ashtray
00:12:05.839 ashtray. We’re Gen Xers, right? We’re
00:12:09.600 Gen Xers. So this is 1980 something.
00:12:12.320 >> We were not even wearing seat belts at
00:12:14.240 that point.
00:12:14.720 >> Oh, seat belts. Forget it. We were
00:12:16.720 >> The seat belt was your parent going like
00:12:18.480 this before you fell over. We were in
00:12:20.399 the back of I rode in the back of a
00:12:22.240 pickup truck. My grandfather’s pickup
00:12:23.760 truck.
00:12:24.079 >> Oh, yeah.
00:12:24.399 >> You kidding me? Yeah.
00:12:25.440 >> They still do that and I think it’s
00:12:26.880 crazy.
00:12:28.240 >> So, my my lessons ended uh after a few
00:12:31.040 months. I didn’t care for that and I
00:12:32.720 wanted to quit. And I I remember uh my
00:12:35.920 friend Chris uh he told me, you know,
00:12:39.360 that following year, he’s like, "I’m
00:12:40.800 taking guitar lessons." I’m like, "Good
00:12:42.480 luck." Because
00:12:44.079 >> because you’re in Little Quincy, there’s
00:12:45.519 probably not a lot of people, right?
00:12:46.639 >> There’s only two places. I went to the
00:12:49.120 wrong one because Chris I go Chris what
00:12:51.440 are you doing? He’s like well I just
00:12:52.800 learned back in black from AC/DC and I
00:12:55.360 was like wait what
00:12:56.959 >> right
00:12:57.519 >> what now he’s got your attention
00:13:00.800 >> and now I’m going back to my mom you
00:13:02.800 know please mom you know for Christmas
00:13:04.880 can you get me some
00:13:06.320 >> guitar lessons with Daryl at at Quincy
00:13:08.560 school.
00:13:08.800 >> And how much were they per hour back
00:13:10.079 then?
00:13:10.720 >> Oh five bucks.
00:13:11.440 >> Five bucks.
00:13:12.000 >> Yeah.
00:13:13.839 >> I feel like Well back in my day. back in
00:13:16.639 my day when hamburgers at McDonald’s
00:13:19.120 were 25 cents.
00:13:20.720 >> I was just uh I I have done a lot of
00:13:22.480 guitar teaching and uh and recently I
00:13:25.360 picked up a a side gig uh as a sub and
00:13:29.120 the guitar lessons are like 3250 now or
00:13:31.600 something like that. I’m like man
00:13:33.200 >> per hour
00:13:34.320 >> half hour.
00:13:35.200 >> Oh,
00:13:36.000 >> I don’t know. Crazy. But so anyway, so I
00:13:39.279 got the lessons from Daryl and then I I
00:13:41.440 never looked back and I can’t remember
00:13:42.720 how that conversation started. But
00:13:44.959 >> you’re talking about that you were from
00:13:46.160 Quincy.
00:13:46.880 >> You were saying you were saying that you
00:13:48.320 started writing music before you even
00:13:50.320 Yes. So in that interim, so I couldn’t
00:13:52.160 play because of Patty with the
00:13:53.360 cigarettes in the belly,
00:13:54.639 >> right?
00:13:55.200 >> Uh so I had a guitar and I would just
00:13:58.480 kind of
00:14:03.279 >> But you know what you were doing? I
00:14:04.720 >> I just started doing that, right? So I I
00:14:07.040 couldn’t play any chords.
00:14:09.120 >> Okay.
00:14:09.839 >> I was just muting the strings off and on
00:14:12.399 and have a rhythm. And so then my little
00:14:14.720 brother Eric,
00:14:18.000 what grade was he in? Fourth, third. Um,
00:14:21.040 he got a saxophone. He started the
00:14:23.040 school band. So he had an alto
00:14:24.560 saxophone. And uh, so I’m like, Eric,
00:14:27.760 let’s jam. So, which has got to be the
00:14:31.040 worst sounding thing that ever came out
00:14:33.120 of the basement on 2408 Sterling in
00:14:35.040 Quincy, Illinois. But, uh, but that was
00:14:37.920 kind of fun. It kind of got me back into
00:14:39.360 it. And it was around that time where I
00:14:40.800 talked to Chris and and uh Chris told me
00:14:42.880 about the other teacher and that’s where
00:14:45.360 that’s where it goes.
00:14:46.079 >> So back then who was your ultimate
00:14:48.639 probably um geeked out like if I met
00:14:52.399 this person who who did you love the
00:14:55.199 most? Who did you follow the most
00:14:56.320 music-wise?
00:14:57.279 >> Any member of the band, the original
00:14:59.360 band Kiss.
00:15:01.279 >> That was that was the game changer for
00:15:04.320 >> for me. Um, it’s literally one of my
00:15:07.600 earliest memories is
00:15:10.480 going out in the backyard where there
00:15:12.560 was like a small garage with a
00:15:15.279 basketball hoop and my brother Kevin and
00:15:17.600 my cousin Corey who were older
00:15:20.399 um were shooting hoops and they were
00:15:22.240 singing a song and I go, "What song are
00:15:23.920 you singing?" I’m six maybe five years
00:15:27.360 old and it’s Kiss, man. We’re singing a
00:15:30.480 Kiss song, Strutter.
00:15:33.839 And I go, "Oh, cool." And so they
00:15:36.480 finished their game and they we went
00:15:38.079 down to the basement and Cory had
00:15:39.360 brought over the very first Kiss album
00:15:42.480 and he’s he played Strutter and he’s
00:15:44.720 like, "Kiss?" And he hands me this this
00:15:47.360 album and I’m like, as a 5-year-old,
00:15:49.759 six-year-old, I’m like, "What is
00:15:51.279 happening?"
00:15:52.320 >> What is what is this? And I was a music
00:15:54.240 fan. I I could My mom’s records were
00:15:56.800 like Donna Summer, Barry Manalow,
00:15:58.800 Saturday Night Fever,
00:15:59.839 >> Barbara
00:16:00.079 >> Stand Barbara was in there, Kenny Rogers
00:16:02.959 was in there.
00:16:03.519 >> That’s my mom’s play. That was my mom,
00:16:05.040 too.
00:16:05.279 >> Yeah. So, I listen to that that music um
00:16:08.240 a lot. But now here comes this new
00:16:10.079 thing. And it’s basically the first like
00:16:12.320 hard rock I’d ever heard. And plus,
00:16:15.199 these guys look like clowns,
00:16:16.880 >> right?
00:16:17.680 >> So, I’m like, this is something. And so
00:16:22.160 Kiss, it was I guess it was 1978. Um,
00:16:26.639 and so Kevin, my older brother, he got
00:16:28.639 for his birthday in July of 78, he got
00:16:31.600 Kiss Destroyer and Billy Joel’s 52nd
00:16:34.639 Street. So, and then Queen uh News of
00:16:37.759 the World with We Will Rock You.
00:16:39.199 >> Oh.
00:16:39.839 >> Uh, and We Are the Champions and stuff.
00:16:41.839 Those were the records. And the
00:16:43.680 Destroyer Kiss Destroyer album and that
00:16:46.560 News of the World album terrified me.
00:16:49.759 There are spooky crazy looking covers
00:16:53.279 and I would like
00:16:55.120 >> you know uh a big wheel like you’d ride
00:16:57.680 a big I would ride the big wheel around
00:16:59.279 our little house. We did have sort of
00:17:01.040 like a roundabout where you can go
00:17:02.560 through and I would ride my big wheel
00:17:04.640 like The Shining and uh and I’d come
00:17:07.359 across Kevin would just leave
00:17:10.000 >> Kevin would leave either that freaking
00:17:12.160 robot on the cover of that Queen album
00:17:14.160 or Destroyer and I’d come around that
00:17:16.880 corner and go, you know, spooked. You
00:17:19.760 probably pull the little uh hand break
00:17:22.240 on your and do a 180 and go back the
00:17:24.640 other way
00:17:25.599 >> on the big wheel. So, but it’s it’s
00:17:27.679 there’s something about that where it um
00:17:30.080 it scares you, but it also intrigues you
00:17:32.320 like you’re so drawn to it. And so, that
00:17:34.640 would be Kiss for sure was like um so
00:17:40.240 important cuz it it becomes like this
00:17:43.120 thing where I finally heard like down
00:17:44.720 the road I get a little older and I’m
00:17:46.880 still getting the newer Kiss albums. But
00:17:48.880 when my friend uh let me borrow his
00:17:52.960 dad’s copy of Kiss Alive and I heard
00:17:57.919 that for the first time, that’s when
00:18:00.160 everything changes. Like that I’m nine.
00:18:03.840 >> And then I’m like, "Okay, I’m doing that
00:18:05.280 for a living.
00:18:06.320 >> I’m doing that for a living." There’s no
00:18:08.559 >> There was something about the atmosphere
00:18:11.280 of that live album
00:18:13.120 >> that was so hit me like a freight train.
00:18:16.960 Like I was like, I’m doing that. Like
00:18:18.720 I’m not going to be a doctor. I’m not
00:18:20.480 going to be a baseball player.
00:18:22.960 I’m going to be a rock star, you know?
00:18:24.960 And that was the purpose. That was the
00:18:27.520 like single vision. Like I’m going to
00:18:29.840 freaking play guitar
00:18:32.080 >> and I’m going to be
00:18:33.280 >> I’m going to be that’s what I’m going to
00:18:34.799 do. We’re going to take a freaking big
00:18:37.039 swing at it anyway.
00:18:38.480 >> Would you change anything or do you love
00:18:40.080 exactly what you did? Would you change
00:18:41.600 anything if you could?
00:18:42.480 >> No. Um, there are little things I would
00:18:45.679 change about my personal life
00:18:48.320 behavior-wise
00:18:49.840 over the years, but no, as far as like
00:18:53.039 that that vision of of um getting into
00:18:57.520 playing music, you know, and trying to
00:18:59.280 make a living out of it, I wouldn’t
00:19:01.039 change that because what it I’m not rich
00:19:04.559 and I’m not famous. I’m not a lot of
00:19:06.720 things. But the one thing I do have is a
00:19:08.880 ton of stories. I got a lot of
00:19:11.760 crazy stories and I have a lot of really
00:19:14.400 cool deep relationships with the people
00:19:17.280 that I’ve worked with. We’re like
00:19:18.880 brothers. Like me and AD are like
00:19:20.080 brothers.
00:19:20.480 >> Yeah. It’s fantastic.
00:19:21.679 >> It’s crazy like how deep that runs
00:19:23.760 because when you share uh music is very
00:19:26.960 personal, right? And you’re sharing that
00:19:29.039 with someone else. Like you become your
00:19:30.720 souls kind of like get kind of
00:19:33.360 intertwined.
00:19:34.080 >> Sure.
00:19:34.480 >> And so that’s a very deep relationship.
00:19:36.559 >> Yeah. You guys spent a lot of time
00:19:38.240 together. too much time. Someone said we
00:19:40.799 room we would room together and on the
00:19:42.480 road, you know.
00:19:43.120 >> Hilarious. Give us a story as somebody
00:19:45.039 that maybe a famous person you guys
00:19:46.880 bumped into together. I know the
00:19:48.640 audience always wants to hear these
00:19:50.400 juicy stories.
00:19:53.440 >> Okay. Um my favorite was Liza Minnelli.
00:19:57.440 I don’t know if AD told this.
00:19:59.039 >> No, we didn’t hear this.
00:20:01.360 >> Oh,
00:20:01.840 >> okay. So, we’re um this is when AD and I
00:20:04.320 were playing together in Louis Prima Jr.
00:20:07.200 and the Witnesses band. So that’s the
00:20:09.440 band that we toured with for 10 years. I
00:20:11.600 was
00:20:12.080 >> father is who? Who’s
00:20:13.280 >> Louis Prima Jr. So Louisie Senior is the
00:20:17.120 guy from The Jungle Book. He’s King
00:20:19.440 Louie in the original Disney The Jungle
00:20:21.360 Book first of all. That’s what most
00:20:22.799 people associate it with.
00:20:24.320 >> But he’s a um jazz musician that had
00:20:27.200 Jump Jive and Whale. Just a jigalow.
00:20:29.440 That’s his old black magic. Yeah. That
00:20:33.200 was the one gig that I got and my my
00:20:36.240 grandmother was very excited.
00:20:40.080 >> Got to love that.
00:20:42.400 >> Like, whoa, my
00:20:44.559 son my grandson’s famous now.
00:20:48.159 >> All right,
00:20:48.799 >> Liza Minnelli.
00:20:49.600 >> So, Liza Minnelli, how did we So, we’re
00:20:52.480 playing at Feinstein’s in New York City
00:20:54.640 with Louis Prima. And so we are cutting
00:20:59.360 through the kitchen of Feinstein’s to
00:21:02.799 get to um another part of that building
00:21:07.440 and it’s New York, right? So it’s like
00:21:09.039 sort of all connected. Well, who do we
00:21:11.120 encounter is Liza Minnelli who is going
00:21:13.840 through that same kitchen because her
00:21:15.840 sister is performing at another theater
00:21:19.039 and that that all connected. So, we just
00:21:21.360 happened to to bang in to to run into
00:21:24.799 her and uh she was she was very nervous
00:21:28.559 and like, "Oh, oh my goodness. Oh, I
00:21:31.919 Hello, we’re it’s Louis Prima’s band.
00:21:34.480 Oh, Louis Prima. Oh my goodness. Oh, oh
00:21:38.159 my." It’s like, "It’s a pleasure to meet
00:21:39.760 you." It’s like, "Okay." Like, we took
00:21:41.840 her by surprise.
00:21:44.240 >> So, that was that’s one of my favorites.
00:21:46.080 >> That is so funny.
00:21:47.200 >> Yeah. And you know, uh, with Louis,
00:21:50.320 yeah, it was like these kind of
00:21:52.080 old-timey people that I can’t really,
00:21:54.559 um, who’s, um, Carrie Fischer’s mom. Uh,
00:21:59.200 it’s, um, Debbie Debbie Reynolds.
00:22:01.120 Reynolds.
00:22:01.679 >> Yeah, we met her. She was super sweet.
00:22:04.159 But again, it’s like stuff I call my mom
00:22:05.840 and go, I met Debbie Reynolds. And And
00:22:08.640 to me, it’s like it’s I thought it was
00:22:10.720 cool that it was car Princess Leia’s
00:22:13.440 mom. You know, oh, that’s really cool. I
00:22:15.600 met Princess Leia’s mom. You mean and my
00:22:18.559 mom’s like, "You met Debbie Reynolds?
00:22:20.080 She’s a huge star, Ryan." You know,
00:22:23.760 >> stuff like that.
00:22:24.240 >> She’s like, "How do you know?" You know
00:22:25.760 what? Something else we wanted to talk
00:22:27.039 about that you had shared with us being
00:22:29.280 a musician, you felt it was so important
00:22:31.919 because you had such a support system at
00:22:34.080 home
00:22:35.280 >> for you to be able to go out on the
00:22:36.559 road. So, you want to talk about that a
00:22:38.000 little bit?
00:22:38.480 >> That’s a Yeah, I’d love to. Yeah. So,
00:22:42.480 um, uh, big shout out to Michelle.
00:22:45.280 Michelle is my wife, my partner.
00:22:48.080 >> How many years together?
00:22:49.200 >> 23 years married, but we’ve been
00:22:50.960 together since for 25.
00:22:53.600 >> And uh so she’s holding holding down the
00:22:57.039 fort while I’m off meeting Princess
00:22:59.919 Leia’s mom, you know. So um we have two
00:23:03.120 children
00:23:04.640 um Zoe and Alex um who are now 20 and
00:23:07.760 17. Zoe’s the oldest. And anyway, so
00:23:11.760 yeah, they are all into it. You know, my
00:23:15.840 the thing about my wife is that she was
00:23:18.240 always cool with she knew what she was
00:23:21.200 marrying because I was always very
00:23:23.840 dedicated to making music. It was um
00:23:27.600 like I said, from hearing the Kiss
00:23:29.600 album, it’s like I’m doing this and and
00:23:32.640 there was not that I ever sprung this
00:23:36.159 whole idea of me being a pro musician on
00:23:39.120 her. She just knew that’s what my
00:23:41.760 passion was. And she says, she goes,
00:23:44.240 "Even as a little girl, I feel like I
00:23:46.320 always knew I would marry a musician."
00:23:48.720 Is that right?
00:23:49.280 >> And she’s a big Journey fan. Journey is
00:23:51.280 her favorite band. And so you think of
00:23:52.880 like Faithfully and stuff like that,
00:23:54.559 right?
00:23:55.280 >> Uh so she was that’s her favorite band.
00:23:57.760 And so it’s like I almost almost wanted
00:23:59.600 to always
00:24:01.280 >> I think I always saw myself with a
00:24:02.960 musician.
00:24:03.760 >> Yeah.
00:24:04.080 >> Which is kind of cool. And uh but we we
00:24:08.000 are a great team together, you know. Um,
00:24:12.000 and she’s just there all supporting me,
00:24:15.520 you know, because it can be tough. It
00:24:17.279 can be tough when you get the rejection,
00:24:19.360 when you have issues internally with
00:24:22.640 your bands or whatever. Like, she can be
00:24:26.240 someone I can go home to and complain.
00:24:29.679 >> Yeah.
00:24:30.000 >> And she’ll listen and go, "Oh, yeah, I
00:24:31.360 know." And I’m the same way with her.
00:24:32.640 She has she has her own career as well,
00:24:35.679 and she can vent. It’s important to have
00:24:38.720 that sounding board and someone who’s
00:24:40.960 going to support you,
00:24:42.240 >> you know, in whatever whatever you do.
00:24:45.039 >> Without a doubt.
00:24:45.760 >> And it’s got to be hard being in a band
00:24:48.080 because I know very limited amount
00:24:51.039 because of Jack.
00:24:52.559 >> But every so often it’s like, oh,
00:24:54.320 they’re supposed to show up for band
00:24:55.600 practice. Oh, so and so all of a sudden
00:24:57.279 has something and can’t. And it’s
00:24:59.600 >> always this revolving door. It feels
00:25:01.360 like everybody has, especially if it’s
00:25:03.679 their side gig or they’re doing
00:25:05.440 something on the side.
00:25:06.480 >> Oh, right. It’s almost like they can,
00:25:08.159 you know, not come to something or
00:25:10.720 >> would you find that to be more of a
00:25:12.480 younger thing or is that throughout all
00:25:14.159 the ages you expect that through?
00:25:15.760 >> It’s still happening. It’s still
00:25:17.279 happening with people my age now. I
00:25:19.440 mean, it’s just it’s life. It life just
00:25:21.760 kind of takes over. Um, with my rock
00:25:25.600 band, Atomic Kings, it’s like that where
00:25:27.520 it’s like four guys now, all doing
00:25:29.840 several different things. And to get us
00:25:31.520 all together in a room is is a
00:25:34.000 challenge. And uh you know, we’re
00:25:36.559 working on a new record and I always say
00:25:39.520 Atomic Kings, that band moves like a
00:25:42.080 glacier
00:25:43.919 because we can’t all get in the same
00:25:46.480 room together. It seems to be a very big
00:25:49.360 challenge and it’s frustrating. And so
00:25:50.960 again, like you go home and it’s like I
00:25:53.440 can tell Michelle like here’s what’s
00:25:55.679 going on. She’s like, "Oh, I’m sorry.
00:25:57.200 Yeah, I get it." You know, how was your
00:25:59.039 day? Oh, this that and the other. Go.
00:26:01.120 I’m sorry, honey. I get it.
00:26:03.200 >> Yeah. That’s nice that you have that for
00:26:04.960 each other.
00:26:05.360 >> Yeah. It’s good to kind of let off some
00:26:06.960 steam, have someone to that’s going to
00:26:08.880 listen to you, you know, and and
00:26:10.480 understand.
00:26:11.520 >> Yeah.
00:26:11.919 >> You know,
00:26:13.120 >> you mentioned uh making an album or
00:26:16.559 working on an album with Atomic Kings. I
00:26:18.720 don’t want to let too much time go by
00:26:20.320 without talking about your brand new
00:26:22.799 album.
00:26:23.600 >> Yes. Okay. This is a real fun project
00:26:26.559 here. So, I’ve been making records for a
00:26:29.840 long, long time.
00:26:32.159 Uh, my first time I ever did a recorded
00:26:36.000 piece of music and sold it was 1995.
00:26:40.799 And so that’s a long time. That’s 30
00:26:43.360 years.
00:26:44.240 >> You’re not that old, Ryan.
00:26:45.360 >> Holy crap.
00:26:46.000 >> You’re not as old as me. I’m the old
00:26:47.679 three years old. Just kidding.
00:26:49.679 >> No. Ken’s the oldest. So I’ve been doing
00:26:51.760 a lot. And it’s always sort of like a a
00:26:54.400 band. Like I’ve always been in bands and
00:26:56.159 so we’ve, you know, even if I’m the main
00:26:57.919 writer or maybe just one of the writers,
00:27:00.720 um I’ve never done a solo album until
00:27:04.799 2023. And I finally during COVID and all
00:27:07.919 that stuff, I’m like, "Okay, that’s
00:27:09.360 enough. I’m going to make a Ryan Mccay
00:27:12.640 solo album." And then it’s like, "Oh
00:27:15.279 crap, what does that sound like? I don’t
00:27:18.000 even know what that is." I’ve been in
00:27:19.520 lots of different genres. And so and
00:27:22.159 then the main thing is I wanted to make
00:27:23.919 a vinyl record which Ken has in his hand
00:27:26.480 here. This is the newest one. This is
00:27:28.240 I’ve done three now. This is the brand
00:27:30.240 new one.
00:27:30.880 >> This is so cool. I love I have to pull
00:27:32.640 this out. I love this so much.
00:27:34.480 >> This is Zigzag. Yeah. On on cobalt blue
00:27:37.760 vinyl. And the fun part is by the time I
00:27:41.679 got around to finally making a solo
00:27:43.600 album, I have a very talented family in
00:27:47.120 my house that will help me make it
00:27:48.960 happen. And so this is the artwork is
00:27:51.840 done by my daughter Zoe. Um who is
00:27:55.360 obviously as you can see is brilliant
00:27:57.919 artist.
00:27:58.480 >> Yeah.
00:27:59.200 >> And um
00:28:00.720 >> and that’s you right.
00:28:02.799 >> Well, we call the character Brian
00:28:06.240 >> instead of Ryan, but it’s hard to to say
00:28:10.320 that that’s not based a little bit on
00:28:13.120 her dad. Uh, but she’s a super talented
00:28:16.240 artist and it also
00:28:19.200 so when it comes time to actually get
00:28:20.720 these records pressed up, there needs to
00:28:23.200 be PDF files and art this and CMYK that
00:28:27.200 all of that I have no idea what to do.
00:28:29.360 Aaron might might know something about
00:28:30.960 that over there, but I do not, right?
00:28:33.120 >> So, um, I have enlisted my son who’s 17,
00:28:36.720 Alex, and uh, he does all that for me. I
00:28:39.520 go, "Alex, here’s what they want. Can
00:28:40.960 you make that happen?" And he goes, "All
00:28:42.960 right." and he’s a really talented
00:28:45.919 YouTuber is what he’s into and um he’s
00:28:48.720 going to go to college for film so he’s
00:28:50.640 just a real nut for um all things visual
00:28:55.600 >> so it’s perfect. So we’ve got Zoe’s art,
00:28:58.720 Alex lays it all out and then my wife
00:29:00.960 sings background vocals and helps me
00:29:02.720 with my social media. So the whole thing
00:29:04.720 is like very in-house and so that’s
00:29:06.559 fantastic.
00:29:06.960 >> Does he have a YouTube channel you’d
00:29:08.240 like to give him a shout out so people
00:29:09.520 can go look at it?
00:29:10.320 >> Sure. It’s uh Okay. Als
00:29:15.039 gs. Al’s Eggs.
00:29:17.200 >> And what does he have on there?
00:29:18.159 >> What’s his content?
00:29:19.039 >> He does he’s a big gamer, so he does a
00:29:21.279 lot of um gaming videos and stuff like a
00:29:23.760 lot of kids his age do.
00:29:25.520 >> Yeah.
00:29:25.840 >> But he he does a a really good job with
00:29:27.679 that. He’ll stream with his buddies and
00:29:29.039 they’ll play. That’s a thing. Again,
00:29:31.200 just like
00:29:32.000 >> Yeah. It’s not our thing.
00:29:33.679 >> Um and it’s big.
00:29:35.120 >> Uh Zoe’s artwork, she’s got an
00:29:36.880 Instagram. It’s another weird one. It’s
00:29:39.919 wriggly. W R I G G L Y dots. Wriggly
00:29:44.960 Worms.
00:29:46.799 >> I know.
00:29:47.279 >> I love it. Wiggly.
00:29:48.799 >> They’re very creative.
00:29:49.520 >> And so is she is she in college or what
00:29:51.600 is she?
00:29:51.840 >> She Yeah. Yeah. She’s going to college
00:29:53.120 right now.
00:29:53.600 >> Where is she going to?
00:29:54.399 >> She’s going to Glendale Community
00:29:56.000 College right now. And then
00:29:57.039 >> that’s right down the street.
00:29:58.000 >> It is. Yeah. And And then I think she’s
00:30:00.640 going to transfer to NA. Um and Alex
00:30:03.200 wants to go to NA as well.
00:30:05.039 >> And so he’s in film, she’s in art. Or
00:30:07.120 what does she plan on doing? She’s Yeah,
00:30:08.480 she’s an art. Yeah, she’s an art.
00:30:09.600 >> Is she going to be a teacher or
00:30:11.279 >> Not sure yet. It’s a little early to
00:30:12.960 tell. We’ll see what she wants to do.
00:30:15.120 You know, it’s the the arts is an
00:30:18.399 interesting career path to choose. And
00:30:20.880 uh
00:30:21.520 >> you got to hustle. So, I always tell
00:30:23.039 them like you got to learn how to
00:30:24.159 hustle. You got to like work. You got to
00:30:26.240 work.
00:30:27.120 >> Like it’s not just all fun and games.
00:30:29.279 You’re on the phones, you’re calling,
00:30:30.960 you’re doing this, that, and the other.
00:30:33.039 >> Gen Z. What are they? What What What are
00:30:34.960 the kids now that are 20? Is that gen
00:30:36.960 What is not? We’re Gen Z. Wait, are we
00:30:38.720 Gen X? What are we?
00:30:39.520 >> We’re Gen X.
00:30:40.320 >> And so what what’s
00:30:41.360 >> They would be Gen Z, I think, because
00:30:42.960 it’s millennials then Gen Z. Is that
00:30:45.360 right?
00:30:46.080 >> Yes. Yeah, cuz millennials are Gen Y,
00:30:49.520 right?
00:30:50.159 >> I don’t know.
00:30:50.799 >> XYZ.
00:30:51.520 >> Yeah, that makes sense. Okay.
00:30:53.120 >> Yeah, we call it millennials, but yeah.
00:30:54.799 >> So, would you say that the millennials
00:30:56.320 want to work less or the Gen Z’s?
00:31:01.120 I mean, I see all these Tik Toks where
00:31:03.840 it’s like these 20some year olds, late
00:31:05.760 20s, who are like, "My boss asked me to
00:31:07.840 do an extra 15 minutes and I gave him
00:31:09.919 the middle finger.
00:31:13.039 I’m not doing anything extra. You didn’t
00:31:15.360 pay me to do that."
00:31:17.760 But I think like like Skyla doesn’t mind
00:31:20.000 working and doing things Jack doesn’t.
00:31:21.919 And that’s your kids generation, you
00:31:24.159 know?
00:31:24.480 >> Yeah, they they work, you know. My my
00:31:26.880 daughter works at Papa John’s and my son
00:31:29.200 doesn’t work yet. He’s only 17, but he’s
00:31:32.159 he’s always involved. He does a lot of
00:31:34.080 stuff for his school. His school is like
00:31:35.919 is Kellis um because I’m in Poria.
00:31:39.360 >> They’ve got a great like um program for
00:31:43.120 audiovisisual stuff. AV club. Nice.
00:31:45.919 >> We used to call it. They call it
00:31:47.279 something way cooler now. Like back in
00:31:48.720 the day it was like AV club.
00:31:49.760 >> That was just one kid wheeling the stand
00:31:51.440 with the TV and the VCR into the room.
00:31:53.760 you know, he does like morning morning
00:31:55.840 morning news.
00:31:57.440 >> Really? Yeah. That’s broadcast
00:31:58.880 throughout the school. It’s a great
00:32:00.080 program that they have there. So, he’s
00:32:01.760 it’s really inspired him to go into that
00:32:04.640 career.
00:32:05.440 >> I love that.
00:32:05.919 >> He loves that. Yeah.
00:32:06.880 >> I remember when the teacher used to
00:32:08.399 you’d get into class and all of a sudden
00:32:10.000 they’re moving that TV in and you’re
00:32:11.840 like, "Ah, time to take a nap."
00:32:13.440 >> Right. Those are the best those are the
00:32:15.440 best days.
00:32:17.039 >> Time to time I graduated from high
00:32:19.200 school in 1991.
00:32:20.799 >> Okay.
00:32:21.200 >> When did you graduate?
00:32:22.080 >> 90.
00:32:22.799 >> 90. Ken
00:32:24.399 >> 88.
00:32:25.279 >> Oh.
00:32:25.840 >> Oh, ancient. Oh, man.
00:32:28.720 >> Well, we remember film strips. Yes.
00:32:30.960 >> Like it was like there’d be a real tore
00:32:33.039 kind of totally.
00:32:34.480 >> Yeah.
00:32:35.600 >> That’s it.
00:32:35.919 >> Oh, yeah. I remember that.
00:32:37.679 >> I mean, I’m not as old as you guys, but
00:32:40.399 you know, you guys are in a different
00:32:41.600 generation.
00:32:42.240 >> Here it comes. We’re in a different
00:32:43.440 generation.
00:32:45.279 >> Yes. Yes. 91.
00:32:50.480 >> Come on now. I have a whole other number
00:32:52.559 in front of my year of graduation.
00:32:54.799 >> I remember my mom used to take out all
00:32:56.640 the um what are they called where it’s
00:32:59.440 the little
00:33:00.480 >> slides?
00:33:01.039 >> Slides.
00:33:02.000 >> Yeah.
00:33:02.399 >> They used How did they take pictures on
00:33:04.480 slides? Was there a slide camera? How do
00:33:07.679 you take slide pictures?
00:33:09.279 >> They would develop it on the on the
00:33:11.440 >> There’ be a rotating thing and you’d go
00:33:13.200 >> Yeah. The carousel carousel of a
00:33:15.279 >> what’s the thing that View Master like
00:33:17.200 that same kind of concept, right? at the
00:33:19.039 View Master where you’d get like a
00:33:20.559 little strip and it’d be like Mickey
00:33:21.840 Mouse or whatever.
00:33:23.039 >> Yes. And then it would turn
00:33:24.480 >> Yeah.
00:33:24.799 >> But so there isn’t a slide camera. It
00:33:26.720 just be a camera and then
00:33:28.799 >> No, they would they would develop the
00:33:30.640 film. I think it was slide film and it
00:33:33.279 was just like a thicker film. They would
00:33:35.360 develop and then put it in the little
00:33:37.039 plastic frames.
00:33:38.880 >> We literally sound, you know, we sound
00:33:42.000 we sound like the kids
00:33:43.120 >> son on the phone. Will you sound like
00:33:45.200 the people that when you know do you
00:33:47.760 ever have one person on one side and one
00:33:49.200 on another side and it’s like Gen Z, Gen
00:33:51.919 X make a phone call and they’re like
00:33:55.600 one person’s like this other person goes
00:33:57.039 like this or something,
00:33:58.240 >> right?
00:33:58.960 >> You know, cuz they’re pretending like
00:34:00.480 one is a cell phone, one is a regular
00:34:02.640 phone. Like you pick up the phone and
00:34:04.399 dial the number.
00:34:06.159 >> Oh gosh, we’re Anyone under the age of
00:34:08.719 40 watching this is like what
00:34:10.719 >> what are they talking about? Are you are
00:34:12.480 you from the 1800s?
00:34:13.839 >> Right.
00:34:14.320 >> Remember calling weather? You’d call for
00:34:16.560 >> time and temperature. Sure. Yeah. Sure.
00:34:18.639 >> What number was that?
00:34:19.679 >> 222.
00:34:22.079 My
00:34:22.960 >> calling information 41
00:34:24.320 >> 411, right? Was information
00:34:25.760 >> 411 again. Information for what? I can’t
00:34:27.760 remember.
00:34:28.639 >> I don’t know. Movie times and
00:34:30.800 >> no
00:34:32.399 movie time. You call the movie theater.
00:34:35.280 >> There was a dedicated number that you
00:34:36.960 would call for all the movie times. It
00:34:38.719 wasn’t a movie theater.
00:34:40.000 >> Yeah. um 222 film or something like
00:34:42.960 right I don’t know
00:34:44.079 >> you’re like when’s when is Back to the
00:34:46.719 Future playing
00:34:48.239 >> I remember my
00:34:49.040 >> Quincy Mall
00:34:49.918 >> I remember my childhood phone number 532
00:34:53.359 3641
00:34:54.560 >> 2228992
00:34:56.320 324471
00:34:57.839 >> but yet I can’t remember what I ate
00:35:00.320 yesterday
00:35:02.079 I
00:35:03.680 >> so
00:35:04.320 >> I couldn’t tell you my son’s phone
00:35:05.680 number
00:35:06.400 >> okay so I don’t know my kids numbers
00:35:08.480 >> no those are those are gone Now I know
00:35:10.160 my wife.
00:35:10.480 >> I have a more important question for
00:35:12.000 you.
00:35:12.560 >> Okay.
00:35:13.119 >> What is your favorite sandwich?
00:35:14.880 >> My favorite sandwich?
00:35:15.920 >> Uhhuh.
00:35:16.320 >> A Reuben.
00:35:17.440 >> A Reuben.
00:35:18.880 >> I love sauerkraut.
00:35:20.160 >> Me too. My mom when I was a kid, I did
00:35:23.760 not like sauerkraut, but I’ve gotten
00:35:25.200 older. And your taste change.
00:35:26.720 >> Not his for onions. I told me it would
00:35:28.720 change if you just try them.
00:35:30.320 >> I love sauerkraut and and a Reuben is
00:35:33.119 like the perfect marriage of the two.
00:35:35.200 Funny story is like my mom would make
00:35:37.119 like kiobasa and sauerkraut in a crockot
00:35:40.800 >> but we were kids and she would make that
00:35:43.200 and we would run like mom please don’t
00:35:46.320 >> mom please we can’t eat this
00:35:48.240 >> what and we were just joking like do you
00:35:49.760 want to order a pizza and my mom gets so
00:35:51.599 mad and it’s like but none of us like
00:35:53.599 this you can’t give this to 10year-olds
00:35:55.920 >> no
00:35:56.320 >> you got to be old what’s the sandwich
00:35:58.079 that’s like the the Reuben but instead
00:36:00.240 of the sauerkraut it has coleslaw on it
00:36:03.839 >> cuz That one I like.
00:36:04.800 >> Uh
00:36:06.160 >> I don’t know.
00:36:06.880 >> I don’t know either.
00:36:07.520 >> Leave a comment. Everyone
00:36:08.720 >> Everyone, what is the
00:36:10.480 >> I know what you’re talking about. And it
00:36:11.839 it Yeah, it’s a
00:36:14.240 >> It’s somebody It’s Somebody decided to
00:36:16.160 add that because they didn’t like
00:36:17.520 sauerkraut.
00:36:18.320 >> Well, that’s the one I like.
00:36:19.359 >> They wanted the person that wants the
00:36:20.640 mayonnaise. Ken adds Ken has mayonnaise
00:36:23.760 and add something to his mayonnaise
00:36:25.599 dinner.
00:36:26.880 >> Ken’s a sauce guy. Are you a sauce
00:36:29.040 person?
00:36:29.440 >> I am very saucy.
00:36:35.599 I am saucy.
00:36:37.119 >> I am very saucy.
00:36:38.320 >> I am very sussy.
00:36:39.280 >> Can’t you tell?
00:36:40.160 >> Yes.
00:36:40.480 >> By my hair.
00:36:41.359 >> I I heard you took a picture of AD with
00:36:43.359 no clothes on at a piano.
00:36:44.800 >> That was unfortunate.
00:36:47.680 >> Um
00:36:48.320 >> AD talked about it on the podcast.
00:36:49.760 >> It’s this beautiful place. Like when
00:36:52.400 you’re on the road
00:36:54.400 touring musician, you’re in hotel after
00:36:56.720 hotel after hotel and they all look the
00:36:58.400 same. But every once in a while you get
00:37:00.320 like, "Hey, there’s a band house. Now,
00:37:01.839 that could go both ways,
00:37:04.320 but this band house was great. It was
00:37:07.359 very beautifully decorated. There were
00:37:10.000 two levels, so me and AD stayed on one
00:37:12.560 level and Louie and I forget who else
00:37:15.599 stayed on the upper level. We got food.
00:37:18.320 We were cooking in the kitchen. It was
00:37:20.480 great. But as soon as we got in there,
00:37:22.480 there’s beautiful um baby grand piano in
00:37:25.839 our room with ferns. Very tasteful. Very
00:37:29.520 tasteful. Well, the ferns made it too.
00:37:31.280 >> The ferns. Yes. And so I’m like, "Add,
00:37:34.720 get a picture of me." And um there’s a
00:37:36.880 cool picture of me just kind of playing
00:37:38.640 at the piano with the the lighting is
00:37:40.560 just so great. And then AD goes, "Great.
00:37:43.599 Get a picture of me." And I said,
00:37:45.119 "Okay." So I get out my phone and you
00:37:47.599 got my head down and I go, "Okay, okay."
00:37:50.160 He’s like, "I’m ready." I go, "All
00:37:51.520 right. Are you Oh my god." pandmic.
00:37:54.480 He had dropped his pants his his pants
00:37:57.359 and underwear
00:37:59.440 down to his ankles
00:38:01.520 >> and taken his furs and and and taken his
00:38:04.480 shirt off
00:38:06.240 and here’s this porpus on the
00:38:12.960 >> and I looked and I was like click
00:38:17.040 >> and it’s the most tasteful decorative.
00:38:19.760 No, it’s the picture. Like the framing
00:38:22.160 is so beautiful. The color
00:38:24.160 >> like I should be a photographer. It’s so
00:38:26.320 great.
00:38:27.200 >> But it really was like a a terrifying
00:38:29.280 like oh my god.
00:38:32.000 >> He was doing an homage to some Monty
00:38:33.920 Python skit is the reason why he did.
00:38:36.079 >> Gotcha.
00:38:36.560 >> And now for something completely
00:38:37.839 different for those that know.
00:38:39.200 >> No, that I know. Yeah.
00:38:40.640 >> Yeah. So there’s a guy the piano naked,
00:38:42.800 you know, and that’s what he was doing.
00:38:44.240 >> Okay.
00:38:44.560 >> I sent it in the group chat on tour and
00:38:46.480 it was hilarious. So, what church do you
00:38:48.240 go to to repent for your sins?
00:38:50.160 >> Uh, North Phoenix Baptist.
00:38:51.680 >> Okay.
00:38:53.920 >> Yeah. I got to say a lot of Hail Marys
00:38:55.920 for that one.
00:38:57.520 >> We all do.
00:38:58.400 >> Yes.
00:38:59.200 >> Especially, you know what I found which
00:39:01.280 is so funny is a lot of times, you know,
00:39:03.200 you saying kiss when you’re a kid looks
00:39:04.960 scary. And I find that like heavy metal
00:39:08.240 guys and people that are just rockers,
00:39:10.400 you guys are like the sweetest people.
00:39:12.560 Like you guys like to have fun, but like
00:39:14.079 you guys have big hearts, you know?
00:39:15.680 >> Oh, that’s cool. I I would agree with
00:39:17.119 that. Like people that are into like the
00:39:19.359 hardest heavy metal tend to be
00:39:22.000 intellectual and very nice because I
00:39:24.240 think that’s an outlet for them. Like
00:39:26.000 you can put that part of your soul into
00:39:28.800 the that music and kind of enjoy it from
00:39:30.800 there and then it just goes away. It’s
00:39:32.240 like it gives it a place to live and
00:39:34.640 then you’re out in the real world as
00:39:35.760 like a normal regular person.
00:39:37.280 >> Well, and you and Aaron were talking
00:39:38.880 before we got started here because
00:39:40.240 Aaron’s a musician and a writer and you
00:39:42.640 guys were talking about how
00:39:43.680 >> Who’s Aaron? He’s our producer.
00:39:44.640 >> Our producer. You guys were talking
00:39:45.920 about how sometimes you you’ve written
00:39:48.720 things in the past and and you got that
00:39:51.119 out of your system and that that was a
00:39:52.880 part of you, but
00:39:54.320 >> you were able to get it out and you’re
00:39:56.400 moving on to something else.
00:39:57.680 >> Yeah. It’s the it’s the biggest gift as
00:40:01.200 a writer to to be able to put some of
00:40:03.839 those feelings into something
00:40:05.599 productive. Um sadness, joy, whatever it
00:40:10.720 may be. Um it’s it’s a the best gift.
00:40:15.359 >> Yeah.
00:40:15.680 >> Uh because it kind of it just again
00:40:18.640 gives it a place to live like you can
00:40:21.119 you that feeling depression
00:40:23.920 >> which I I have a lot of anxiety and
00:40:26.079 depression. Um but when I’m writing
00:40:29.440 music or creating music that stuff it it
00:40:32.880 gives it it pushes that away and puts it
00:40:35.440 somewhere else.
00:40:36.800 >> And that’s the the best part of being a
00:40:39.280 musician to me. And I think that’s why I
00:40:40.880 just kept doing it. It’s like because
00:40:42.720 it’s like a safe place. I mean, there’s
00:40:44.560 no better place for me
00:40:45.920 >> than to sit and write music.
00:40:47.839 >> Does your faith come into play at all
00:40:49.440 when you’re writing music?
00:40:50.720 >> Yeah, I I think so. You know, um for me,
00:40:54.960 uh the spiritual side of me um has
00:41:00.000 always been there since I was a kid. And
00:41:02.480 when I started getting into music and it
00:41:05.280 began
00:41:06.800 getting my guitar stuff together, taking
00:41:09.680 lessons, um, I lost a cousin. The kid
00:41:13.359 that brought the Kiss record over died
00:41:15.040 at 17.
00:41:15.760 >> Oh, no.
00:41:16.400 >> He was a guitar player. And that last
00:41:18.480 Christmas,
00:41:20.000 uh, he showed me a few things on guitar.
00:41:23.200 >> So that that side of me is never going
00:41:26.160 away.
00:41:27.119 >> Um,
00:41:28.079 >> sorry.
00:41:29.359 >> Still gets me.
00:41:30.240 >> Sure.
00:41:30.880 >> Sure. But um
00:41:34.160 so
00:41:36.079 when I’m writing or playing,
00:41:41.200 >> there’s a little bit of him there.
00:41:43.599 >> So that’s my spiritual side.
00:41:47.200 >> I love that.
00:41:48.400 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:49.920 >> And then I’m sure you’re emotional
00:41:51.200 because you just lost your dad recently,
00:41:52.800 too. Do you think you’d ever write a
00:41:54.400 song about your dad
00:41:56.720 >> or have you thought about that? Yeah, I
00:42:00.000 could see myself doing that. I don’t
00:42:01.440 know what I would say yet because I’m
00:42:04.400 still kind of working through that one.
00:42:05.680 >> Yeah. You said he was a funny guy.
00:42:07.599 Something.
00:42:08.160 >> Oh, yeah. That you know, we’ve been
00:42:10.000 laughing a lot of that. Like if I make
00:42:11.920 you laugh, uh, a lot of that’s my dad.
00:42:14.400 Like
00:42:15.119 >> and the whole McKay family. My gosh,
00:42:17.119 they’re crazy.
00:42:18.560 >> You know, he’s um he was always quick
00:42:21.040 with a joke and just the same old dad
00:42:23.680 jokes like # dad joke.
00:42:25.440 >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:26.800 >> Like I had the king and I’m carrying on
00:42:29.760 that tradition pretty well in my house.
00:42:31.520 That’s for sure.
00:42:32.480 >> A
00:42:32.800 >> cuz I can. It’s You have to.
00:42:34.880 >> Yeah.
00:42:35.119 >> Yeah. Absolutely.
00:42:35.839 >> You have to. Yeah. And my even my kids
00:42:38.160 can do dad jokes.
00:42:39.680 >> Sometimes it hits you and you’re like I
00:42:42.079 have a joke. Should I say it?
00:42:44.400 >> Yes, I should
00:42:45.200 >> say it. Yeah.
00:42:46.720 >> I sometimes Ken says these jokes where
00:42:48.640 it’s just so dead pan and I’m like I
00:42:51.440 just look at him.
00:42:52.480 >> Yes.
00:42:53.359 >> That’s how you do it.
00:42:55.440 I’m like, "What?"
00:42:58.240 >> That’s definitely how you do it.
00:42:59.440 >> We start We started decorating for for
00:43:02.079 uh Christmas yesterday. I told Megan,
00:43:04.319 "We’re going to name our wreath."
00:43:06.880 >> You’re going to
00:43:07.599 >> name our wreath.
00:43:08.640 >> Name a wreath.
00:43:09.520 >> Franklin.
00:43:11.920 >> I’m like, "Franklin." He’s like, "H of
00:43:14.000 Franklin."
00:43:14.319 >> A wreath of Franklin.
00:43:17.200 >> That is so stupid.
00:43:19.200 >> Popped into my head and I’m like,
00:43:20.880 "Should I say it?" Yes, I’m going to.
00:43:24.079 So, we’re getting we’re we’re getting a
00:43:26.160 little bit closer to wrapping things up.
00:43:28.720 However, there’s a few things I want to
00:43:30.480 do. I want to make sure everybody knows
00:43:32.400 where to find your record and how to
00:43:34.800 purchase your record and find you.
00:43:37.440 >> I am on social media, YouTube, and
00:43:40.240 stuff. It’s Ryan McKay music. So, if you
00:43:43.520 just go Ryan McKay music, you will find
00:43:46.000 all kinds of stuff no matter if you’re
00:43:47.760 on Facebook, Instagram, um, or YouTube.
00:43:51.599 And also my music and these albums are
00:43:53.839 available for sale at
00:43:55.599 ryanmusic.bandamp.com.
00:43:58.480 So just Ryan McKaybandamp you’ll find
00:44:01.119 it. um definitely support uh buy a
00:44:04.400 record because uh we just the way this
00:44:08.319 has worked for me is that we’ve I saved
00:44:10.800 up a bunch of money and I made the first
00:44:12.640 album and I made my money back and I
00:44:14.560 made the second album and I made my
00:44:16.000 money back and I’ve made the third album
00:44:17.680 and so far I’m only $700 away.
00:44:21.359 >> Oh, that’s awesome. And we’re going to
00:44:22.560 tag you so they’ll be able to we can
00:44:24.720 collaborate.
00:44:25.200 >> For sure. And I love that you’re doing
00:44:26.560 vinyls, too. That’s that’s so cool. Even
00:44:29.040 Jack is into vinyls. So many people are
00:44:32.000 back into vinyls. It’s really cool.
00:44:34.000 >> It’s cool. It’s the process of of taking
00:44:38.400 the record out, putting it on. So music
00:44:40.560 is not in the background. It’s something
00:44:42.160 that you have chosen to do. I want to
00:44:44.960 play ZigZag from Ryan McKay today. Take
00:44:48.000 the record out. Oh, that cool blue
00:44:49.760 vinyl. And then you put it on and then
00:44:51.920 you drop the needle and you sit and you
00:44:53.440 listen to it, you know, or do the
00:44:55.359 dishes, whatever. But you’ve made the
00:44:57.520 commitment to it rather than letting a
00:45:00.079 Spotify playlist dictate
00:45:02.720 >> your your mood,
00:45:04.640 >> you know, it’s the process of it. You
00:45:06.560 got to fight back against AI whenever
00:45:08.160 you can.
00:45:09.119 >> And you putting the songs in order if
00:45:10.720 you want them to listen to them.
00:45:12.319 >> Yeah. It’s all kind of paced the way.
00:45:15.599 >> It’s really good, too. And you mentioned
00:45:18.560 uh the Kiss influence. It’s funny
00:45:21.280 because I was actually thinking about
00:45:22.800 that song when I was listening to it.
00:45:24.240 I’m like, sounds a little bit like Kiss.
00:45:26.160 >> It’s Kisslike.
00:45:27.200 >> Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to make a rock
00:45:28.800 album. This is definitely a rock album.
00:45:30.880 >> Uh my previous one, Gad Zuks over there,
00:45:33.040 is a little more experimental, a little
00:45:34.960 more dream pop kind of stuff. And then
00:45:36.960 the first one is sort of all over the
00:45:38.480 map. The first one was the hardest to
00:45:39.920 make. It’s a very good record, but it’s
00:45:42.640 all kinds of different styles cuz I
00:45:44.720 couldn’t figure out what does a Ryan
00:45:46.560 McKay solo album sound like. Like what?
00:45:49.680 I don’t know what to do because I just
00:45:50.960 came out of Louis Prima.
00:45:52.400 >> Don’t know what to do with you. All the
00:45:54.240 Wait, you play all the parts yourself
00:45:55.839 though, right? Then
00:45:56.560 >> I do. Yeah. Everything is done by me.
00:45:58.240 So, um Michelle will sing some
00:46:00.400 background vocals, but I play all the
00:46:02.079 instruments and sing all the songs.
00:46:03.440 Yeah.
00:46:03.760 >> Oh, that’s so cool.
00:46:04.800 >> Mhm. It’s so fun to do.
00:46:06.240 >> Is it?
00:46:06.640 >> It’s my happy place being in the studio,
00:46:08.480 you know? It’s It’s really
00:46:10.000 >> just like time goes away, next thing you
00:46:12.240 know, it’s like eight hours. Like, I’ve
00:46:13.520 had doing this for eight hours.
00:46:14.880 >> Do you prefer making the music or being
00:46:18.240 behind the the computer when when other
00:46:20.720 people are doing it like that? Yeah,
00:46:22.400 >> I I like uh both. I mean, making the
00:46:25.040 music obviously is more rewarding, but
00:46:27.200 it’s uh really fun working with Jack and
00:46:31.280 AD. I think it’s kind of cool because I
00:46:34.240 >> there’s a little bit uh less uh pressure
00:46:37.920 on me. I’m just kind of sitting back
00:46:40.400 being objective.
00:46:41.680 >> Yeah.
00:46:42.079 >> Which is kind of nice because I’m
00:46:43.760 anything but objective when I’m doing my
00:46:45.599 own is very subjective, right? So,
00:46:48.800 >> um, but it’s great to sit back and
00:46:51.119 anytime I get a chance to get into
00:46:53.520 recording software and poke around and
00:46:55.680 try this and try that. That’s a good
00:46:57.280 day. That’s a really good day.
00:46:58.640 >> Yeah. Yeah. You’re you’re really blessed
00:47:01.280 with everything that your family and
00:47:03.119 everything that you’ve gotten to do in
00:47:04.720 your life.
00:47:05.440 >> Thank you. Thank you, God.
00:47:06.640 >> Yeah. Thank you, God. And so, ending
00:47:09.520 this uh podcast, I think that we should
00:47:11.520 give him the uh 20 question. We
00:47:14.079 definitely need to transition into the
00:47:17.760 crossexamination of Ryan McKay. Oh dear
00:47:20.560 gosh. Oh no.
00:47:23.839 >> What happened?
00:47:24.480 >> Jack has gotten to 10. Ken has only
00:47:26.319 gotten to like six.
00:47:31.040 >> So yeah. So she’s going to ask you 20
00:47:33.119 questions.
00:47:34.640 The goal is to hold on as long as
00:47:37.200 possible.
00:47:38.560 >> He’s going to crank up the heat.
00:47:40.720 >> There’s eight settings. Nine settings.
00:47:42.480 Nine settings.
00:47:43.359 >> Nine settings.
00:47:44.480 >> So, the first three questions will be on
00:47:46.079 level one. Second three questions will
00:47:47.760 be on level two. And then at that point,
00:47:50.319 every other question goes up goes up a
00:47:52.160 level.
00:47:52.480 >> All right,
00:47:54.720 guys.
00:47:56.640 >> All right. So, we’re we’re calling this
00:47:58.480 the crossexamination of Ryan McKay. All
00:48:00.720 right. Ryan, you have two
00:48:02.160 >> Hold on. I don’t have the questions yet.
00:48:03.440 Don’t turn it on yet.
00:48:05.119 >> Don’t shock him yet.
00:48:06.240 >> Don’t shock the poor man yet.
00:48:07.760 >> Just I’m anxious to turn this thing on
00:48:09.680 and see how he reacts.
00:48:12.240 with a capital B.
00:48:15.680 Capitalize the Rs, but not so much the
00:48:17.520 U.
00:48:25.200 >> Maria,
00:48:27.119 >> should I put these down my pants?
00:48:35.200 >> What did he say?
00:48:36.160 >> Should I put
00:48:36.800 >> I put them down my pants.
00:48:38.160 >> Oh, yeah. That’d be fun.
00:48:42.000 Okay. So, are we ready?
00:48:44.000 >> So, this is the cross- examination of
00:48:45.599 Ryan McKay. Ryan, you’ve got two
00:48:48.000 electrodes in your hands. Megan’s got a
00:48:50.640 list of 20 questions for you. Let’s see
00:48:52.400 how you do.
00:48:52.960 >> And it goes up one every two questions.
00:48:56.319 >> Is okay.
00:48:59.280 >> I haven’t started it yet.
00:49:00.400 >> Oh, sorry. I’m very sensitive.
00:49:02.480 >> Practicing.
00:49:04.079 >> All right. Number one, you have five
00:49:05.440 seconds to delete one app forever. Which
00:49:07.440 one goes?
00:49:09.520 Um, Twitter X.
00:49:11.359 >> What’s more stressful, group texts or
00:49:13.200 voicemail notifications?
00:49:15.440 >> Uh, group texts.
00:49:17.760 >> If you could live one day in the ‘9s
00:49:19.680 again, what would you do first?
00:49:23.359 >> Um,
00:49:24.880 start another band.
00:49:26.400 >> Which movie line do you quote way too
00:49:28.559 often?
00:49:31.920 >> Uh, that would be uh something from
00:49:34.800 Jaws. Uh, we’re going to need a bigger
00:49:37.440 boat. Would you rather give up caffeine
00:49:39.359 or Wi-Fi for a week?
00:49:41.280 >> Caffeine.
00:49:42.400 >> Be honest. Do you still have at least
00:49:43.920 one CD somewhere in your car?
00:49:46.160 >> Yes.
00:49:47.119 >> What’s the dumbest argument you’ve ever
00:49:48.960 had that you still swear you won?
00:49:54.240 >> Um I It’s probably between me and AD. Uh
00:49:59.200 about some music stuff. I don’t know.
00:50:01.280 >> If your life had a laugh track, a laugh
00:50:03.839 track,
00:50:04.800 >> when would it play the loudest? If my
00:50:07.280 life had a laugh track, when would it
00:50:08.880 play the loudest?
00:50:11.040 >> Um,
00:50:12.880 it would pro when I take a shower.
00:50:16.880 >> Oh jeez.
00:50:18.640 >> Ow. Why am I being punished for the
00:50:20.800 joke?
00:50:22.720 >> Who was your first celebrity crush that
00:50:24.640 still makes zero sense today?
00:50:27.920 makes um I liked the blonde girl in Kiss
00:50:31.280 Meets the Phantom
00:50:33.520 who is um the chick that sang in Berlin.
00:50:36.880 What’s her name?
00:50:37.920 >> I’m terrible with names. Which fashion
00:50:39.920 trend do you secretly miss?
00:50:43.359 >> Bill Bottoms.
00:50:44.480 >> Oh, I was going for parachute pants.
00:50:46.240 >> You have to pick You have to pick a 90s
00:50:48.880 sitcom character to be your roommate.
00:50:50.960 Who do you choose?
00:50:53.359 >> Uh Kramer from Seinfeld. What’s the
00:50:56.880 weirdest thing you believe as a kid that
00:50:58.880 you still kind of hope is true?
00:51:02.319 >> Santa Claus. This is starting to hurt.
00:51:05.599 >> If someone gave you $1,000, but you had
00:51:08.319 to spend it at one store from your
00:51:10.079 childhood, where are you going?
00:51:11.599 >> KB Toy and Hobby.
00:51:12.960 >> What’s your irrational fear that nobody
00:51:14.880 ever takes seriously?
00:51:16.480 >> Irrational fear. Fear. Um, Buried Alive.
00:51:19.760 >> What’s your go-to karaoke song that
00:51:21.599 always kills or dies gloriously? Uh uh,
00:51:26.079 Love is a Battlefield by Pat Benitar.
00:51:30.079 >> If your high school self could see you
00:51:32.079 now, what would what would they say
00:51:34.160 first?
00:51:34.880 >> God, you’re fat.
00:51:38.880 >> What piece of tech do you wish we’d
00:51:40.720 never invented?
00:51:42.079 >> Uh,
00:51:43.839 beta tapes.
00:51:45.040 >> What’s your most controversial food
00:51:46.800 opinion?
00:51:48.720 >> That Ken is wrong about sandwiches.
00:51:52.400 You have to uh relive one awkward
00:51:54.720 teenage moment on live TV. Which one’s
00:51:56.880 least painful?
00:51:58.160 >> Least painful.
00:51:59.119 >> Yeah.
00:51:59.520 >> Uh oh. Oh. Ow. Jesus Christ.
00:52:04.800 >> What was that one?
00:52:07.040 >> I was like, no.
00:52:09.359 >> How far did I go?
00:52:10.880 >> That was the That was the highest
00:52:12.400 setting that that flipped you out.
00:52:14.400 >> You only had two more songs. You have I
00:52:16.640 mean one more I mean uh question. What’s
00:52:18.640 something you’ll never admit to your
00:52:19.920 kids, but definitely did in the ‘9s?
00:52:23.040 >> Oh, it would be like
00:52:27.040 drugs.
00:52:27.760 >> Yeah,
00:52:29.599 >> drugs.
00:52:30.480 >> Drugs.
00:52:32.160 >> Brian, it’s been great having you here.
00:52:33.839 Thanks so much. My pleasure, man. That
00:52:36.000 was super fun. Thank you guys so much
00:52:37.200 for having me over here.
00:52:38.079 >> Thank you. Now, now we’re going to go do
00:52:39.680 a dance. I’m forcing them.
00:52:41.119 >> Are we though?
00:52:42.079 >> Oh, we are.
00:52:43.040 >> I’m trying to resist this as much as
00:52:45.119 possible.
00:52:45.599 >> A bees. There’s a secret exit, right,
00:52:47.920 Ken?
00:52:48.400 >> Yeah.
00:52:49.200 >> Thank you for joining us on
00:52:50.240 cross-examine with the Gerbers. Don’t
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