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Hidden History, Fake Reality & Jesus — @jtfollowsjc on Faith, Truth & Satan’s Little Season

00:00:00.080 Welcome to Cross-examine with the
00:00:01.600 Gerbers. I’m Ken Gerber. This is Megan
00:00:03.760 Gerber
00:00:07.680 and today we have a special guest with
00:00:09.519 us. We’re thrilled to have JT follows
00:00:12.320 JC. Welcome, Joe.
00:00:14.559 >> Well, thank you for having me.
00:00:15.679 Appreciate it.
00:00:16.239 >> Yeah. Welcome to Phoenix all the way
00:00:17.760 from the East Coast.
00:00:19.039 >> Yeah. Um about six hours worth of
00:00:20.880 flying, but well worth it. Yeah. Get out
00:00:22.880 here. I love Arizona. Arizona’s awesome.
00:00:25.760 >> Well, we’re excited to have you here. We
00:00:27.279 got a lot of things to talk to you
00:00:28.880 about. We’re just super interested in
00:00:31.679 what you do and we think people that
00:00:33.760 watch our podcasts have a lot to learn
00:00:35.760 as well. So,
00:00:37.200 >> hold on. Hold on. I want to say
00:00:38.480 something. I really like the fact that
00:00:41.200 you got married in Sedona and so did we.
00:00:43.440 >> I know it’s personalizing it, but he’s
00:00:45.840 already cool to me because he got
00:00:46.879 married in Sedona.
00:00:47.680 >> Totally. Totally.
00:00:48.879 >> Yeah. Two years ago, we went up to the
00:00:51.200 top of Cathedral Rock and literally I
00:00:54.000 was telling the guys the story last
00:00:55.360 night that it couldn’t have been more
00:00:58.160 random that we just decided we I live at
00:01:00.719 the beach. A lot of people do the beach
00:01:02.879 wedding thing and we’re like, ah, that’s
00:01:04.159 kind of been done.
00:01:04.959 >> Yeah.
00:01:05.280 >> And hiking became our thing and then so
00:01:07.600 we just decided, hey, we should go do a
00:01:09.360 hike and go find like a nice mountain
00:01:11.680 vista and and just get, you know, the
00:01:13.920 picture. We’re going to look awesome and
00:01:15.119 all that kind of stuff. And and at one
00:01:17.200 point we decided that we’re going to
00:01:18.880 lope. And so at that point we’re like we
00:01:21.600 could really go anywhere and it was like
00:01:23.600 literally like the first name that came
00:01:25.600 to our mind was Sedona.
00:01:27.200 >> Oh and the pictures are breathtaking.
00:01:29.040 They look AI. Let’s just [laughter]
00:01:31.119 >> Yeah. They look like it looks like a
00:01:32.240 matte painting behind us. That’s what
00:01:33.840 people asked. But it was, believe it or
00:01:35.840 not, it’s just
00:01:36.960 >> the right conditions, the right time of
00:01:39.280 day, the right photographer, the right
00:01:41.040 guy who’s um the right kind of pastor
00:01:43.920 who was willing to marry us. It was
00:01:46.880 everything kind of came together. It was
00:01:48.880 >> actually climbed to the top of a
00:01:51.759 mountain and got married up there.
00:01:54.320 >> Yeah, that’s what it was funny cuz we
00:01:56.000 have done a lot of hiking, but on the
00:01:58.000 East Coast it’s typically that’s what it
00:01:59.680 is. Like you’re hiking up some dirt
00:02:01.119 trail to eventually get to the top to
00:02:03.280 see some kind of a nice view. But so
00:02:06.000 when we were researching it, we were
00:02:07.360 like, "How hard of a hike is it?" And
00:02:09.758 then you said all the comments were
00:02:11.200 saying, "Well, it’s part of it’s a
00:02:13.200 climb." And I was like, "What did what
00:02:14.800 do they what do they mean by climb?"
00:02:16.800 >> And then we got there and I realized you
00:02:19.440 >> Yeah. You can’t just walk up. You have
00:02:22.319 to actually put your hands on the
00:02:24.480 mountain and and pull yourself up. And
00:02:26.480 so that was the funny part about getting
00:02:27.840 all the all our gear up. Like I pretty
00:02:31.040 much just wore what I wore except for
00:02:32.720 like I I had different shoes with me. So
00:02:34.560 I brought a little backpack, but you
00:02:36.080 know, my wife had to bring her dress and
00:02:38.319 then she had to get changed up there.
00:02:40.000 But she had mostly everything done. And
00:02:43.360 yeah, it was it was fun. I mean, it’s
00:02:45.200 it’s kind of like if you like hiking,
00:02:47.519 it’s part of it is the adventure,
00:02:49.519 >> right?
00:02:49.920 >> I guess the good thing is I have, you
00:02:51.760 know, I married somebody who’s willing
00:02:54.160 to to go that kind of extra mile for
00:02:57.280 >> for the Instagram pick or, you know, I
00:02:59.360 mean, just for the the pictures to have
00:03:00.800 them forever. And um yeah, it was well
00:03:03.440 worth it. Yeah, I we couldn’t have been
00:03:06.560 more pleased when we when we saw the
00:03:08.239 pictures and just the whole week was
00:03:09.840 just amazing because again I’m from like
00:03:12.319 the flat lands. We have nothing like
00:03:14.080 that. So we come out here. I was like
00:03:16.239 yeah I guess we made a good choice. I
00:03:17.599 guess God kind of guided us to that
00:03:19.440 moment and it was perfect.
00:03:20.879 >> Definitely. And I’m biased because like
00:03:22.319 I said we got married there too. But I
00:03:23.920 love I love it out there.
00:03:25.360 >> We traded some pictures last night. Saw
00:03:27.599 some of yours. You saw some of ours. And
00:03:29.840 it’s funny because we have this other
00:03:31.840 picture of after we took our pictures in
00:03:34.799 the same area for our wedding, we went
00:03:37.120 and sat on a bench and Megan was wearing
00:03:39.200 these flip-flops and she had all the uh
00:03:41.760 red rock, the orange feet from it. So,
00:03:44.720 we got a picture of her
00:03:46.239 >> orange feet on to us and it’s uh it’s
00:03:49.280 >> But talking about that orange rock, you
00:03:52.080 had mentioned something last night that
00:03:53.920 I had not heard of. Could you go into
00:03:55.760 that a little bit or is that something
00:03:57.280 that’s too difficult to kind of hop
00:03:59.040 into?
00:03:59.680 >> It’s actually a pretty uh simple I idea.
00:04:02.879 It’s just that when you come from the
00:04:06.080 out east and then everybody who visits
00:04:07.920 and they like to hike and they go to,
00:04:09.760 you know, national parks and just
00:04:11.680 strange rock formations in Utah, Nevada,
00:04:16.000 New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, you
00:04:18.959 pretty much all around the whole western
00:04:20.959 part of America. you see these rock
00:04:24.000 formations that just seem so unusual and
00:04:26.800 you know for the east coast it is but I
00:04:28.400 think they’re inu unusual just
00:04:29.840 altogether
00:04:31.360 that’s a very distinct part of the world
00:04:33.440 >> yeah you showed one that looked like a
00:04:34.880 pyramid to us last night
00:04:36.400 >> right so when we were in Sedona there
00:04:37.919 was a there was actually a trail called
00:04:39.759 Pyramid Trail and the vantage point I
00:04:42.880 had I had never seen it and it looks
00:04:44.560 like a three-sided pyramid it looks
00:04:46.160 perfect when we walked around it it
00:04:47.759 wasn’t as perfect like that but it’s
00:04:49.280 it’s really hard to get the scale of it
00:04:51.280 and you know kind of like you’re from
00:04:52.960 the from a nice high view, you can see
00:04:54.720 it a lot better. But yeah, there’s this
00:04:56.320 theory that goes around is that that
00:04:58.800 some of these places like Sedona where
00:05:02.240 it looks like you have kind of normal
00:05:03.919 colored mountains in certain parts and
00:05:05.360 then you have like these really orange
00:05:07.440 red rocks on top of it. They look like
00:05:10.240 they might have been structures one day
00:05:12.240 like a time ago. And is this a situation
00:05:14.960 where the Bible describes the day of the
00:05:17.759 Lord, the mountains are going to melt
00:05:19.039 like wax. And was this like fervent heat
00:05:21.440 that that melted these things? Like we
00:05:23.440 were talking about the Grand Canyon. And
00:05:26.400 even when I believed before I was even
00:05:28.880 looking into this, you know, I believe
00:05:30.560 the Bible’s the word of God and I
00:05:32.320 believe it’s true. So, it made more
00:05:35.039 sense to me that the Grand Canyon could
00:05:36.960 have been caused by the flood, the the
00:05:39.840 day illusion, Noah’s day versus the
00:05:42.160 Colorado River. That that makes no sense
00:05:44.320 to me. But now I’m even starting to look
00:05:45.840 back, it’s like, but what if it was more
00:05:47.120 recent than that? What if some of the
00:05:49.440 >> the post-apocalyptic looking landscape
00:05:52.639 out west if is like what if it really is
00:05:54.800 that? Because you ever watch like
00:05:56.880 Hollywood movies like like Mad Max? you
00:05:59.759 watch like um there’s a show on Amazon
00:06:01.759 that’s based on a video game called
00:06:02.960 Fallout and they’re oh you know they’re
00:06:05.600 all these movies I think was the other
00:06:07.360 one is the book of Eli
00:06:08.960 >> right
00:06:09.199 >> and they’re all taking place in this
00:06:11.680 just the world had just like was it like
00:06:14.000 a nuclear apocalypse or something
00:06:15.759 something crazy happened
00:06:17.440 >> and they a lot of times they shoot them
00:06:18.800 out around here
00:06:22.080 >> and they don’t have to do CGI they don’t
00:06:23.759 have to do anything to dress up the look
00:06:25.520 that way it looks totally like that’s
00:06:27.759 what happened Another really good
00:06:29.520 example is if you go to uh it’s called
00:06:31.440 the Valley of Fire. It’s about an hour
00:06:33.440 outside of Vegas. It’s kind of like
00:06:35.039 Sedona except it’s just it’s all kind of
00:06:37.280 more spread out. Yeah.
00:06:38.479 >> And as soon as you hike in there, you
00:06:39.919 see all kinds of stuff. But I went to
00:06:41.919 there was a trail I think was called
00:06:43.120 domes. There’s a big old sign about all
00:06:45.360 the lists of the Hollywood features that
00:06:47.199 were filmed there.
00:06:48.240 >> Yeah. Those are always really cool when
00:06:49.680 you see that.
00:06:50.160 >> But I mean it makes sense like you go
00:06:51.440 out there and you’re like this looks
00:06:52.880 unusual. And so there’s been some
00:06:55.520 researchers who who’ve actually looked
00:06:57.039 into some of these things where in some
00:06:58.880 of these red quote unquote mountains,
00:07:01.280 they found stamp bricks in them like
00:07:03.199 this. It’s almost like there was a
00:07:04.400 pocket of preservation. I mean, I don’t
00:07:06.240 know what to say other than I’ve seen
00:07:09.039 the the pictures where it shows the
00:07:10.960 degrading of certain kinds of brick that
00:07:13.599 looks like it’s turning into natural
00:07:15.360 stone and where the fusing of the bricks
00:07:17.440 together.
00:07:18.080 >> It’s just kind of eroding away. It was
00:07:19.840 It’s really hard to say like when you
00:07:21.360 see something like that appears like it
00:07:24.160 could have been a building is was it
00:07:26.479 one? But yeah, you do you see like the
00:07:28.479 the different layers or the different
00:07:31.199 kind of phases of like heat and then if
00:07:33.919 part of it was preserved,
00:07:35.759 >> you know, right?
00:07:36.479 >> Place like Petra, you know, Petra and
00:07:38.560 Jordan.
00:07:39.120 >> Yeah.
00:07:39.599 >> You know, some people believe they just
00:07:40.960 carve those places out of the mountains,
00:07:43.199 but some people believe that some of the
00:07:45.280 parts around it were melted. It looks
00:07:47.280 like it’s been scorched. it was the
00:07:48.800 actual building and now it just doesn’t
00:07:50.400 look that way now.
00:07:51.120 >> Right now you only see because you only
00:07:52.720 see pockets of preservation. So what
00:07:54.879 like the the face of it is actually you
00:07:57.440 know what I’m saying? Like it’s that’s
00:07:59.199 what was saved but the rest of it is
00:08:01.199 looks like a mountain now.
00:08:02.560 >> Well, and we kind of we kind of jump
00:08:04.000 right into some of the subject matter
00:08:06.240 without really giving any kind of an
00:08:07.919 intro to to our viewers as to you know
00:08:11.039 what you do on on your channel. But it’s
00:08:13.680 interesting talking about Petra and
00:08:15.440 places like that. That’s really what
00:08:16.720 drew Megan and and me into thinking
00:08:19.840 about these types of things is we
00:08:21.280 started to look at all of the old
00:08:23.440 buildings, the old temples and and
00:08:26.080 churches that were just on these massive
00:08:28.960 massive scale and to find out that the
00:08:33.679 technology to do those now is like
00:08:37.919 almost non-existent. And so we started
00:08:40.159 going down that trail of figuring out,
00:08:42.559 well, how’ they do that? you know, if
00:08:44.560 they’re using really primitive tools and
00:08:47.279 they’re doing it over a couple hundred
00:08:48.959 years, how did they get so exact where
00:08:50.640 it’s within centimeters of of
00:08:53.279 perfection, that type of thing? And so
00:08:55.600 that drew us down this whole idea of the
00:08:59.440 ancient civilizations and some of those
00:09:01.839 things and and really led us to some
00:09:05.040 other subjects that you hit on pretty
00:09:06.959 regularly. So, why don’t you kind of
00:09:08.959 give us a summary of what you get into
00:09:11.519 with your podcasts? Oo, that’s a little
00:09:14.000 bit of everything. But yeah, I mean to
00:09:16.160 to when we started talking about the
00:09:17.760 buildings, I you know, my name is JT
00:09:21.040 follows JC. So JC being Jesus Christ, JT
00:09:24.240 being my initials. So it’s all based on
00:09:26.560 a biblical
00:09:28.480 framework. I have a biblical worldview.
00:09:31.360 And so I say that the Bible is the word
00:09:33.519 of God and I believe it. And everything
00:09:35.440 else I’m kind of questioning outside of
00:09:37.040 that. And so a lot of times when I was
00:09:40.320 just making content, I started to do
00:09:42.720 historical things because I always
00:09:44.080 realized I almost felt it was safer too
00:09:46.080 on TikTok because they would ban you for
00:09:47.519 so many things. You could post something
00:09:49.680 about an old conspiracy and it would be
00:09:51.600 safer, right?
00:09:52.800 >> Going back in the past is the best way
00:09:54.720 to kind of predict the future too. So
00:09:56.320 this is kind of repeating patterns of
00:09:58.240 things. Solomon said there’s nothing new
00:10:00.160 under the sun. So these things kind of
00:10:02.000 are cyclical and they repeat. So, I
00:10:04.320 started to do a lot more historical
00:10:05.760 research. And the more I started to look
00:10:07.440 into history, I just realized that it
00:10:09.200 was either sounds like straight up lie
00:10:11.839 or there’s just very vague parts of our
00:10:13.920 history that we just kind of accept and
00:10:16.399 you’re taught in school about, oh, this
00:10:18.160 is what happened. But then you realize
00:10:19.680 that this is a certain view that
00:10:21.760 somebody has. And this might actually be
00:10:23.279 a theory because we actually don’t know.
00:10:24.720 Like when I started to like research
00:10:26.000 into Rome, historians debate within
00:10:28.640 hundreds of years when Rome actually
00:10:30.240 fell. And I thought this is like a big
00:10:32.000 deal. like why doesn’t everyone know and
00:10:33.440 agree?
00:10:34.320 >> But you just find out that there’s
00:10:35.680 really vague parts of your history. And
00:10:37.120 so when you continue to research that,
00:10:39.279 you start to notice things like that
00:10:41.120 that once
00:10:42.320 >> you just accepted for, oh, it’s this is
00:10:44.399 obvious. We’re told the truth about
00:10:45.760 this. But when you go into your local
00:10:47.920 town and you see incredible old
00:10:50.079 buildings that were always built in like
00:10:51.600 the 1890s or some kind of date range in
00:10:54.320 the the late 19th century, early 20th
00:10:56.880 century, how come we don’t build
00:10:58.560 buildings like this anymore?
00:10:59.600 >> I know. We were joking. And it’s like we
00:11:01.600 can’t get a a a drywall wall that’s
00:11:04.079 straight without it having, you know,
00:11:06.000 >> Yeah.
00:11:06.320 >> curvature to it. And and these things
00:11:08.399 are are ornate and and very very
00:11:11.760 precise.
00:11:12.800 >> Yeah. Absolutely. Well, yeah, that’s the
00:11:14.240 thing. So, like if you can appreciate
00:11:15.839 beautiful architecture, I think most
00:11:17.279 people can whether they realize it or
00:11:19.760 not, there it makes you feel a certain
00:11:21.360 way. So, you come into like a place and
00:11:23.200 they have grand ceilings like columns
00:11:26.320 are 36 feet tall. you walk in, they got
00:11:28.480 a painting of heaven on the ceiling and
00:11:30.720 you’re like, "This is um pretty
00:11:32.800 interesting." How did they have the time
00:11:35.920 to do that? Was it a time of excess? Was
00:11:39.040 it a time of prosperity? Was it a time
00:11:40.720 of peace? But if you’re focusing on
00:11:42.880 America, we really never had that in our
00:11:46.079 history. If you actually really think
00:11:47.279 about like what we’re taught is that,
00:11:49.120 you know, they fought a revolutionary
00:11:50.240 war in the late 1700s, right?
00:11:52.000 >> Then they fought the British again in
00:11:53.360 the early 1800s, right? Then they fought
00:11:55.200 the Indians, they fought the Spanish.
00:11:57.360 They were constantly in turbulence and
00:11:59.200 eventually we fought each other. You
00:12:00.720 know, they had the the Civil War.
00:12:03.200 >> So during this whole time, America is
00:12:05.200 expanding westward. And then they’re
00:12:07.200 just building cities. And if you go look
00:12:08.800 at any of these old cities that were
00:12:10.240 built supposedly between 1850 and 1900,
00:12:13.360 they’ve all got old cathedrals. They got
00:12:16.079 all got Greco Roman buildings. And this
00:12:18.320 is like the first buildings they built
00:12:19.920 when they started to found these cities.
00:12:22.079 And that’s the real question is like
00:12:23.519 does founding does that mean like what
00:12:25.519 if they just found these cities
00:12:27.120 >> literally stumbled on them.
00:12:28.320 >> They found these cities and then the
00:12:29.680 Freemasons are always given credit for
00:12:31.279 building them. But what if it was just
00:12:32.480 like Freemasonry? Like what if it was
00:12:34.399 somebody decided it was free because
00:12:35.920 they found it?
00:12:37.760 >> I know it sounds simplistic, but I mean
00:12:40.639 it actually makes more sense than what
00:12:42.240 we’re taught because the math is not
00:12:43.760 math on the westward expansion and then
00:12:46.480 just the growth of these cities. if it
00:12:48.480 was all about like a gold rush,
00:12:51.279 >> wouldn’t they kind of concentrate in one
00:12:52.800 spot? Why are they why are they
00:12:54.320 stretched out all around the West Coast,
00:12:56.959 you know?
00:12:57.440 >> And so I guess the the overarching one
00:13:00.720 of the overarching theories that that
00:13:03.120 you explore is
00:13:06.000 really ancient civilizations, ancient
00:13:09.519 technology that has been lost that we
00:13:13.519 are not being given the full picture of
00:13:16.160 what history is. And there’s segments of
00:13:18.800 history that are missing, so to speak.
00:13:21.360 >> Absolutely. Yeah. Well, when I my first
00:13:22.880 kind of like almost like hobby
00:13:25.760 conspiracy before I ever got into making
00:13:27.680 videos was just like the that show
00:13:29.200 Ancient Aliens,
00:13:30.240 >> right?
00:13:30.639 >> Because I thought it was just
00:13:31.680 interesting. I said I grew up in a
00:13:33.519 Christian church and I’d never really
00:13:35.360 believed in aliens, but the questions
00:13:37.839 were interesting like how did they build
00:13:40.000 the pyramids? And then when you find out
00:13:42.240 like the pyramids are not just in Egypt,
00:13:44.240 they’re actually all around the world.
00:13:45.760 They’re like I’m basically on every
00:13:47.040 continent
00:13:47.440 >> and now we found out there’s one in
00:13:48.639 Sedona.
00:13:49.440 >> Yeah. Right. Exactly. [laughter] So, you
00:13:51.360 know, the way that show even though gets
00:13:53.120 overly silly and their theories are, you
00:13:55.680 know, ridiculous, but other than that, a
00:13:59.199 lot of people do present questions that
00:14:01.440 do deserve answers. And then when you
00:14:03.279 see like the academic answers for these
00:14:05.120 things about how they were built and
00:14:06.800 that pyramids all around on every
00:14:08.480 continent do not show a connected
00:14:10.639 civilization, I I just don’t buy that. I
00:14:13.199 think that there’s something there’s
00:14:14.880 something there. And from my
00:14:17.040 perspective, even when we start talking
00:14:18.639 about like more recent buildings, like
00:14:21.279 when people say, "How did they do it?"
00:14:23.519 I’m not I’m not telling people I know.
00:14:26.000 I’m just saying I don’t trust what
00:14:28.000 they’re telling us. And maybe that’s
00:14:29.680 kind of like when I bring it always back
00:14:31.040 to the Bible is I’m saying that, well, I
00:14:33.199 believe this is true and everything else
00:14:35.360 is suspect. So, if you start believing
00:14:37.279 this history that eventually will try to
00:14:39.360 contradict what the Bible says, well, I
00:14:41.680 can show you that a lot of this is silly
00:14:43.440 and you’re taking this on faith way more
00:14:45.600 than you’re taking the Bible on faith
00:14:46.880 because I can show you a lot of things
00:14:48.000 that the Bible predicted would come true
00:14:49.839 have come true. Now, you’re just
00:14:52.079 trusting these men after the last 5
00:14:54.399 years. I think a lot of people who are
00:14:56.079 awake. It’s silly to trust some of these
00:14:58.160 people. Can you point to say one
00:15:02.160 big issue that is like so obvious when
00:15:05.440 you look at it from that perspective
00:15:07.120 saying well clearly we’re being given
00:15:10.000 wrong information about that. Well, if
00:15:11.839 you want to just focus on the buildings
00:15:13.839 I would say that the best example is
00:15:16.560 probably San Francisco. I was really
00:15:18.959 shocked to learn how short the timeline
00:15:21.120 is between the discovery of it to it
00:15:24.560 becoming like the city that we know
00:15:26.240 today or maybe not less so the the city
00:15:28.079 we know today which is [laughter]
00:15:29.760 >> got a lot of issues. I think everybody
00:15:32.160 would admit that it’s a beautiful city
00:15:34.160 or it should be. It’s not being taken
00:15:36.079 care of like it like it should have been
00:15:37.920 but but the landscape the harbor the
00:15:40.800 Golden Gate Bridge all all the things
00:15:42.399 about it are just you know it’s
00:15:43.839 picturesque.
00:15:45.440 But I was shocked when I found out that
00:15:48.480 San Francisco, we’re told, was not even
00:15:51.120 discovered. Like the land, the bay was
00:15:53.519 not discovered until 1776. So the year
00:15:56.880 that they fought the Revolutionary War,
00:15:58.720 at least they had the Declaration of
00:16:00.720 Independence, that’s the year that the
00:16:02.959 Spanish supposedly discovered it. And
00:16:05.120 then so no one really lived there
00:16:06.639 outside of like Franciscan friars or
00:16:08.560 people like that until like I want to
00:16:10.639 say in 1848
00:16:12.959 that the population of San Francisco was
00:16:14.959 like a thousand people,
00:16:16.079 >> right? And then the story is the 1849
00:16:18.639 gold rush.
00:16:19.519 >> Yeah. The story of the 49ers,
00:16:21.440 >> right?
00:16:21.839 >> And the interesting part about that is
00:16:23.680 that the narrative says it many people
00:16:26.160 moved out west because of gold. Now
00:16:28.720 where they were mining from gold was in
00:16:30.720 a lot of cases about 50 milesi from San
00:16:32.399 Francisco. So, this doesn’t really quite
00:16:34.320 fit like that you would populate this
00:16:36.320 whole city with people who are minors.
00:16:39.040 And if it was just minors, like are they
00:16:41.759 also part-time construction workers? Do
00:16:43.600 they build the city while they’re in the
00:16:45.360 mines the other parts of the day?
00:16:46.800 >> Yeah, good point.
00:16:47.680 >> Now, if you actually look at it, so
00:16:49.279 yeah, you have a thousand people in
00:16:51.040 1848. Then you have this boom in
00:16:52.720 population right around this time like
00:16:54.240 what I think the camera was being
00:16:55.360 invented like in the 1820s, but you have
00:16:57.360 early pictures of San Francisco like in
00:16:59.519 the 1870s. So like the very earliest
00:17:01.360 pictures you have there’s a really
00:17:02.560 famous panoramic shot of San Francisco
00:17:04.720 and they you pan around the city there’s
00:17:06.799 not one building under construction in
00:17:09.039 the whole place but it’s completely
00:17:11.520 filled out and you can look in the
00:17:12.959 background you can see Greco Roman
00:17:14.480 things and you can see old cathedrals
00:17:16.880 and the city looks like it’s got age.
00:17:19.119 Why I say this is a great example though
00:17:20.799 is if you go back and there’s old maps
00:17:24.240 from the 1500s, 1600s, and 1700s where
00:17:28.400 there’s a place called either San
00:17:30.080 Francisco or S. Francisco listed on the
00:17:33.120 maps right where it’s at.
00:17:35.600 >> But we’re told that it wasn’t discovered
00:17:37.679 until like 200 years later. Yeah.
00:17:39.440 There’s a I want to say it’s like 1840.
00:17:41.280 There’s a picture that says S. Francisco
00:17:43.840 where it’s at. And that makes more sense
00:17:46.240 because if you look at it like the city
00:17:47.840 had age to it. It’s
00:17:49.679 >> well and if you think about it, I mean
00:17:51.120 we we have cities now that go through
00:17:53.679 housing booms, people moving to the area
00:17:55.679 and they’re they’re putting up track
00:17:57.919 homes really fast because they’re
00:18:00.320 building to meet the population
00:18:02.000 explosion and those are poorly
00:18:03.679 constructed. They’re quickly put
00:18:05.600 together. They’re all the same. And the
00:18:08.400 pictures that you’re talking about,
00:18:10.480 they’re ornate. They’re solidly
00:18:13.679 constructed. How are they doing that
00:18:15.520 within such a short period of time to
00:18:17.679 meet a a population boom?
00:18:19.600 >> I mean, I don’t think it makes sense. I
00:18:21.280 just think that when you look at some of
00:18:22.559 these old cities, too, you see that
00:18:24.240 they’re they look like they were
00:18:25.600 centrally planned and there’s the cities
00:18:27.919 all gritted out. If you look at like a
00:18:29.520 kind of an aerial type shot of it,
00:18:31.200 you’re like, it’s this is not just
00:18:33.600 people just just coming out there and
00:18:36.480 then everybody just putting up a shack
00:18:38.080 so they can have a place to to sleep
00:18:40.559 before they go mine for gold the next
00:18:42.080 day.
00:18:42.559 >> Yeah.
00:18:42.799 >> You know what I mean? Like you couldn’t
00:18:43.840 just have people just move out west. You
00:18:46.080 might get something like what you have
00:18:47.280 maybe out here is like tombstone,
00:18:49.280 >> right?
00:18:49.520 >> Where you would have like wooden
00:18:51.760 buildings all kind of in a row just like
00:18:54.080 these these shops, these strip shops.
00:18:57.120 >> That makes sense. But I said that was
00:18:58.960 the kind of funny part about just being
00:19:01.120 kind of like a guy who enjoyed movies
00:19:03.760 knowing that Tombstone well I mean
00:19:05.840 course the real story of Tombstone I
00:19:07.120 want to say it takes place in the 1880s
00:19:09.679 I believe. So to think that like what
00:19:12.240 you picture of the Wild West is Val
00:19:15.200 Kilmer and right
00:19:16.559 >> you know and Kurt Russell and all those
00:19:18.880 guys cussing and shooting each other and
00:19:20.880 playing cards.
00:19:22.720 >> And meanwhile in San Francisco it’s like
00:19:26.000 a cosmopolitan city. It’s it’s got
00:19:28.480 everything like you have today. And and
00:19:30.480 I guess I just never really thought
00:19:31.840 about it like that what if some of these
00:19:33.919 western movies are kind of propaganda of
00:19:35.840 like this is what they want you to
00:19:37.840 believe about the this part of the
00:19:40.160 country at this time period because when
00:19:42.960 you start to think about that that’s the
00:19:45.200 kind of advancements they had and these
00:19:47.600 cities were fully built out during the
00:19:50.640 times of Tombstone.
00:19:52.559 Is it is it they want you to believe in,
00:19:54.880 you know, that show 1883,
00:19:56.640 >> right?
00:19:57.200 >> Where they’re trying to go across, you
00:20:00.080 know, go on the Oregon Trail from Texas
00:20:03.120 and there’s like a minimal chance that
00:20:04.720 you will actually survive to get
00:20:06.523 [laughter] there. Meanwhile, yeah, like
00:20:08.080 I said, you have these these full-grown
00:20:09.520 cities like these places were settled.
00:20:12.640 >> Yeah.
00:20:12.960 >> You know what I mean? Like I mean, of
00:20:14.160 course, even today, there’s still tons
00:20:15.760 of land, but I mean, these places were
00:20:17.200 settled then. Do they want us to believe
00:20:18.960 that it was a more primitive time where
00:20:20.559 it was cowboys and Indians? Well, I
00:20:22.160 guess that begs a question of why that
00:20:23.679 would be. I mean,
00:20:24.559 >> that is a good question. That’s
00:20:25.840 excellent question.
00:20:27.440 >> Question that comes up with a lot of
00:20:28.880 conspiracy theories. But one of the
00:20:30.880 things that Megan was looking into was
00:20:32.640 the world’s affairs, too.
00:20:34.000 >> Yeah, we were talking about that last
00:20:35.360 night, too. It’s just why would they lie
00:20:38.000 to us, though? Like, what’s the purpose?
00:20:40.320 Cuz if they know that Christ is coming
00:20:42.559 back, was it to confuse people about
00:20:44.640 Christ, you think, or what’s your belief
00:20:47.120 on that? Um I would just say that well
00:20:50.640 these people are liars. I mean I think
00:20:52.480 that they take credit for most of the
00:20:53.840 things advancement I if you look at like
00:20:56.320 if you do look at what American
00:20:57.760 history’s basically taught to us is that
00:20:59.600 you have the industrial revolution in
00:21:01.360 the 1800s and certain very prominent
00:21:04.640 figures who are still you know their
00:21:06.720 companies are still pretty big today
00:21:09.039 >> of course
00:21:09.520 >> you know you have your Rockefellers you
00:21:11.039 got your Vanderbilts you got your JP
00:21:12.640 Morgans Andrew Carnegie all those kind
00:21:15.200 of people who are like the men who built
00:21:18.000 America that’s they had that show on the
00:21:19.600 History Channel. So if you think about
00:21:21.440 it, these people basically monopolize
00:21:24.400 every industry in America and they take
00:21:27.679 credit for all the advancements, the
00:21:29.679 railways and and every modern
00:21:31.520 convenience we have is is is partly due
00:21:34.080 to them.
00:21:34.640 >> But God knows I mean
00:21:36.640 >> well but what if the story is not true?
00:21:38.320 What if it was the technology they had
00:21:40.480 was either older or what if there was a
00:21:43.760 an alternate technology that might not
00:21:46.559 have been about fossil fuels or you know
00:21:49.200 what they could quote unquote fossil
00:21:50.559 fuels? What if it was not about you know
00:21:53.120 standard oil becoming like the biggest
00:21:54.799 company in the whole world if there was
00:21:56.799 something that was maybe a renewable
00:21:58.640 energy? If there was a more advanced
00:22:00.640 technology that led to the buildings.
00:22:03.840 Well, what if we had that today? that
00:22:06.559 would give people a lot more power and
00:22:08.080 give those people a lot less power. No,
00:22:09.919 I mean that’s just a theory because I
00:22:11.840 mean I would say in the same way I said
00:22:13.679 if you go back to like the ancient
00:22:15.280 Egyptian things like the the pyramids, I
00:22:18.080 don’t know how they built them, but I
00:22:21.360 have a really hard time believing they
00:22:23.600 did it with copper tools and they
00:22:25.280 dragged gigantic stones across the sand.
00:22:28.799 So what did they have? They had
00:22:31.280 something else. They had tools. They had
00:22:32.559 real tools. They had advanced
00:22:34.400 technology. And I would say that that in
00:22:37.600 our past it’s yeah it’s like very
00:22:39.440 evident that there was advanced
00:22:40.720 technology because again I don’t care
00:22:43.520 how good a craftsman is. If you chisel
00:22:46.559 out a stone building that’s made of
00:22:48.320 granite and every detail is perfect.
00:22:50.960 >> How do they not make mistakes?
00:22:52.640 >> Exactly. It’s like there’s no doover.
00:22:54.799 Right.
00:22:55.120 >> When you’re chiseling little flowers in
00:22:58.000 the ceiling and things like that and
00:22:59.520 they’re all symmetrical and identical.
00:23:03.039 I I said I just don’t.
00:23:04.880 >> So, is it just for power, you think, to
00:23:07.120 make people not in as control of
00:23:10.000 themselves or so that they can keep it
00:23:13.039 all and keep us kind of in the dark?
00:23:15.360 >> Well, I mean, that’s a big component of
00:23:17.280 it. Obviously, money and power is
00:23:19.039 basically what runs this world. So,
00:23:22.240 >> I think each when you say, you know,
00:23:24.559 kind of like when we say them or they
00:23:27.600 whoever knows who did it,
00:23:29.360 >> I would say that not everybody knows
00:23:31.600 exactly why. I mean, a lot of people
00:23:33.039 just accept it. It’s kind of like the
00:23:34.400 the idea that if you will you look the
00:23:36.799 other way if somebody’s giving you a
00:23:38.000 bunch of money, like some people don’t
00:23:39.520 even really want to know because they’re
00:23:41.440 doing well
00:23:42.640 >> versus the people who are probably not
00:23:44.559 doing so well. they’re more likely to
00:23:46.400 ask questions and they’re and they’re
00:23:47.840 the less likely to be believed because
00:23:49.600 they’re less powerful
00:23:50.559 >> or people that are making those movies
00:23:52.080 cuz you you know what we were talking
00:23:53.600 about last night is a lot of times in
00:23:54.960 the movies they almost tell on
00:23:56.640 themselves
00:23:57.679 >> like you know if you look at that Snake
00:23:59.760 Eyes movie it’s weird with all the
00:24:01.520 coincidence oh
00:24:02.720 >> you know that line up with Charlie Kirk
00:24:05.440 >> it’s like are we living in a matrix in
00:24:08.400 that sense like they know how to put
00:24:10.240 things out and then align it with that
00:24:12.240 like how do you explain all that Well,
00:24:14.960 there’s the idea that some of this is
00:24:17.039 like a kind of a karmic retribution type
00:24:19.440 thing where it’s like they are telling
00:24:22.000 us what they’re doing. I mean, that’s
00:24:23.760 that’s one of the beliefs. There’s a
00:24:25.120 thing called revelation of the method.
00:24:27.440 It’s kind of like if you were selling
00:24:30.000 poison lemonade, but you actually have
00:24:32.720 like a lemonade sign. Maybe you have
00:24:34.480 like a little skull and crossbones like
00:24:36.080 really small in here. And if so,
00:24:38.000 somebody buys the lemonade and they they
00:24:41.360 get sick or they die. We’d be like,
00:24:43.279 "Well, I told I told them." So, like, my
00:24:45.440 conscience is clean that I did that.
00:24:47.440 >> Oh, I see.
00:24:48.240 >> That’s kind of twisted.
00:24:49.279 >> Oh, I mean, it absolutely is twisted. I
00:24:50.960 mean, but that again, this is just a
00:24:52.159 theory. Nobody really knows exactly why.
00:24:54.000 Sometimes we believe that it could be I
00:24:56.159 believe that
00:24:57.440 >> through the music and through Hollywood,
00:25:00.320 you definitely have demonic influence.
00:25:03.120 So, some of it could be like that people
00:25:04.880 are writing these movies and they really
00:25:06.799 don’t even know what it means. It’s like
00:25:08.080 they’re including numbers that just seem
00:25:10.640 as random and that pop into their head.
00:25:12.640 But what if they are getting these, you
00:25:15.919 know, quote unquote ideas from they’re
00:25:17.840 just plucking them out of the ether.
00:25:19.120 Where are they coming from? And so when
00:25:21.440 you look back, you’re like, "Oh gosh."
00:25:22.960 Like, you know, we talk about 911 a lot
00:25:25.039 with like predictive programming. You
00:25:26.480 see like The Simpsons, Neo’s passport in
00:25:29.120 the Matrix. He was his passport expires
00:25:32.080 911 2001. Movie comes out in 1999. It’s
00:25:35.760 like those kind of things are just oh
00:25:38.000 >> if you’re bored one day there’s probably
00:25:40.240 about two to three hours worth of stuff
00:25:42.080 that is just all through the movies and
00:25:44.080 just the numbers and and so yeah when
00:25:45.840 you once you see that you’re like
00:25:47.919 >> it’s too much. I don’t really believe in
00:25:50.080 coincidences like that anymore anyways
00:25:52.400 but like when you see the amounts of
00:25:54.159 them it’s mind-blowing.
00:25:55.520 >> Yeah. You ran probabilities on that
00:25:57.679 Snake Eyes movie.
00:25:59.520 >> I did. I said, "What’s the probability?"
00:26:01.200 And I added, you know, what exactly the
00:26:04.720 facts were of the snake eyes and what
00:26:07.440 aligned with Charlie Kirk and it was
00:26:09.120 like, I don’t remember now, but it was
00:26:11.120 like one out of 500 billion chance of
00:26:14.240 that actually having those all align up
00:26:16.880 like that.
00:26:17.919 >> Yeah. When you see that, did you guys
00:26:19.840 talk about all the details in there?
00:26:21.840 >> Kind of. We’ve No, I’ I’ve posted it
00:26:24.240 online. I don’t think we’ve talked about
00:26:25.520 it in the podcast. You can you can
00:26:26.960 mention it.
00:26:27.520 >> Yeah. So, in that movie, you know, it’s
00:26:29.600 funny cuz I was telling Aaron I had to
00:26:31.360 delete a real cuz a lot of people are
00:26:33.440 saying that in the movie it mentions
00:26:34.799 September 10th, but the poster it’s like
00:26:37.200 a September 19th.
00:26:39.440 >> Yeah. They said it’s either a zero or a
00:26:40.880 nine. I
00:26:41.600 >> either a zero. Let’s just say for
00:26:43.600 argument sake it was it says September.
00:26:45.679 >> Yeah.
00:26:46.080 >> So, this guy named Charles Kirkland gets
00:26:48.159 assassinated during this boxing event.
00:26:51.200 Gets shot right in the neck
00:26:53.279 >> on the left side of the neck. Right in
00:26:55.440 the spot that it looks like Charles
00:26:57.520 Charlie Kirk got shot.
00:26:58.640 >> But didn’t you see the the um what’s his
00:27:00.240 face? Who’s the actor in that?
00:27:02.400 >> Oh, it’s Nicholas Cage.
00:27:03.679 >> He gets shot in the ear as it’s going to
00:27:05.840 hit the guy in the neck just like Trump
00:27:07.840 got shot in the ear. So, you see how he
00:27:09.760 goes like this. He turns and his cheek
00:27:11.440 is bleeding. He gets shot in the ear on
00:27:14.240 the way to shooting this Charles
00:27:16.640 Kirkland.
00:27:17.360 >> Yeah. And so on the movie poster it says
00:27:20.400 Yeah. Again, there’s a debate. I think
00:27:22.480 it’s a nine, but let’s just say he gets
00:27:24.400 there’s a fight on September 19th or
00:27:27.919 10th. So Charlie Kirch gets shot in
00:27:30.480 September and September 10th
00:27:32.559 >> and the boxer that everyone’s coming to
00:27:35.279 see is Tyler the executioner.
00:27:38.799 >> So again, if you actually believe the
00:27:40.559 news, you believe the FBI, Tyler
00:27:42.960 Robinson is the one who killed Charlie
00:27:45.360 Kirk,
00:27:45.919 >> right?
00:27:46.320 >> Executed him. So I mean,
00:27:47.840 >> and then there’s a police car. Did you
00:27:49.279 see the Did you see that part? the van.
00:27:51.760 There’s a van that pulls up in the end
00:27:53.520 and I thought somebody had lied about
00:27:55.200 it, but then I pulled it up myself.
00:27:57.039 There’s a van, a police van pulling up
00:27:59.039 at the end to arrest people and it has
00:28:01.760 47 at the top.
00:28:03.440 >> Oh, you know, I think I did see that.
00:28:05.279 The other thing I want to say that the
00:28:07.039 other connection was that you have this
00:28:09.600 blimp going by and it’s got like the
00:28:11.919 Illuminati eyeball on. Yeah. Right. At
00:28:14.880 the same time, there might have been any
00:28:16.480 other factors. I think that the fighter
00:28:18.159 was actually supposed to be throwing the
00:28:20.880 fight. So, the fight was fixed. And so,
00:28:24.080 just all the kind of details here and I
00:28:25.679 want to say that there was also some
00:28:26.880 kind of component that involved Israel
00:28:28.720 in there. And just all the factors
00:28:31.200 together when you see that you’re like
00:28:33.840 we all asked ourselves that question
00:28:35.440 even though me and my friends have long
00:28:38.480 believed that yeah, this whatever
00:28:40.720 they’re doing, however they’re doing it,
00:28:42.799 they’re doing it. But we still have that
00:28:45.760 those kind of issues like that movie
00:28:47.440 Snake Eyes. It still gives us pause
00:28:49.679 because it’s hard to wrap your mind
00:28:51.679 around something being so on the nose
00:28:54.399 about all the things we just witnessed.
00:28:55.840 And yeah, that’s where people start to
00:28:57.039 ask, are we like in the Matrix?
00:28:59.760 >> It feels like that. It feels
00:29:01.279 >> is this is this a simulation? Now, I
00:29:03.440 don’t believe we’re literally in a
00:29:04.720 computer program, but it is interesting
00:29:06.720 to think that there is a world outside
00:29:09.120 of this world that God created and and
00:29:11.760 he put things in this world. So, from a
00:29:14.799 certain perspective, we are kind of in a
00:29:16.480 matrix. We’re like in God’s
00:29:17.840 >> everything’s mathematical. If you’ve
00:29:19.360 ever seen that one, who did we go see
00:29:21.440 and everything is spiritual?
00:29:23.200 >> Rob Bell.
00:29:23.919 >> Rob Bell. Have you ever watched Rob
00:29:25.600 Bell?
00:29:26.399 >> Rob [clears throat] Bell does everything
00:29:27.600 is spiritual and he goes
00:29:29.840 >> down the numbers of even like how the
00:29:33.200 Earth’s atmosphere is and if it was a
00:29:35.360 little bit off here, a little bit off
00:29:36.480 there, we wouldn’t be able to breathe
00:29:38.240 and how everything comes down to an
00:29:40.640 exact number.
00:29:41.840 >> Well, I mean, you do see that there’s
00:29:44.480 that Fibonacci pattern in things like,
00:29:46.640 you know, like the like a shell.
00:29:48.399 >> Oh, yeah, I saw. So, yeah, there is a
00:29:50.720 mathematical equation to this place. And
00:29:53.360 it makes sense that our God’s a god of
00:29:55.600 order. He created things with his voice.
00:29:58.080 And is it a frequency vibrational thing
00:30:01.279 that actually that’s the sound in the
00:30:04.000 words he spoke created the things. So
00:30:07.760 you can break it down by number. So
00:30:09.440 would it be zeros and ones if you could
00:30:11.440 see it in a computer?
00:30:14.000 >> Maybe. Maybe. Obviously you can you know
00:30:16.080 certain people can manipulate. Obviously
00:30:17.520 Jesus could manipulate
00:30:19.279 >> the things and I don’t want to really
00:30:20.799 compare him to Neo, but I know that’s
00:30:22.320 the vibe they’re going for that that he
00:30:25.440 can bend reality like he can actually
00:30:27.919 bend it to his will. So I mean in some
00:30:30.000 kind of ways it’s like we don’t
00:30:31.840 understand it. I mean there’s also this
00:30:33.919 the belief that that we live inside a
00:30:36.559 place that is bound by time. But then if
00:30:39.840 there was a being if beings that are
00:30:41.840 outside of this time are they seeing it
00:30:44.559 kind of like in a flat circle? Are they
00:30:46.320 actually seeing glimpses of it?
00:30:48.799 >> I watch a lot of near-death experiences.
00:30:50.480 I don’t know if you listen to those at
00:30:51.760 all, but I’ve been listening to those
00:30:53.840 for years, and these are people that,
00:30:56.000 you know, some of them have been in the
00:30:58.159 hospital. One guy that I watched, he was
00:31:01.039 a neur neurologist or neurosurgeon,
00:31:03.600 Harvard teacher, and he ended up, he was
00:31:06.480 an atheist, and he ended up dying of
00:31:10.000 menitis,
00:31:11.520 and his brain flatlined, and he actually
00:31:14.640 died. and he left his body and he had
00:31:19.840 this angel showing him around heaven and
00:31:22.080 it was this blonde girl and he just
00:31:26.080 recalled what she looked like and he
00:31:28.080 knew he was adopted. So it wasn’t his
00:31:30.399 time. Everybody hears it’s not your
00:31:31.760 time.
00:31:32.240 >> Mhm.
00:31:32.640 >> And he comes back and they have proof,
00:31:35.440 hospital proof that he actually died.
00:31:37.840 This isn’t just like, "Oh, I felt like I
00:31:39.519 died. I was on drugs or whatever." These
00:31:41.600 people literally can say I have medical
00:31:43.919 records to show that I died for x period
00:31:46.320 of time. And when he got back, he said,
00:31:49.120 his name is Evan Alexander. He said, I
00:31:51.840 wanted to go meet my adopted family that
00:31:54.880 not the adopted birth,
00:31:56.080 >> his birth family. So he went to go meet
00:31:58.240 his birth family and there up on the uh
00:32:02.880 mantle is a picture of this girl that
00:32:05.760 had met him in heaven, this angel that
00:32:07.600 showed him around.
00:32:08.720 >> Oh, interesting. and he goes, "Who’s
00:32:10.159 that?" And they said, "Oh, that’s your
00:32:12.080 sister who died 2 years ago. That would
00:32:14.399 have been your sister." And it’s cool
00:32:17.200 things like that that I really love
00:32:19.519 watching. And I don’t know how people
00:32:21.200 feel about that, but I really love it
00:32:23.919 because people get so emotional
00:32:27.760 once they leave their body
00:32:29.760 >> and they’re like, "You’re right. They
00:32:32.080 don’t feel time out there. They’re like
00:32:34.320 this. You’re not bound by anything. It
00:32:36.480 feels so freeing and peaceful. And most
00:32:39.760 people that were atheists or believed in
00:32:42.640 a different religion meet Jesus
00:32:45.600 >> and come back and they’re so on fire for
00:32:48.159 the Lord and the Lord’s like, "I’m
00:32:50.000 sending you back to give this message."
00:32:52.000 And I know a lot of Christians probably
00:32:53.679 don’t feel like that’s, you know, a good
00:32:55.919 thing because you’re talking to the dead
00:32:57.200 or what, but these people, it’s you
00:32:59.039 should look into it sometime. These
00:33:00.320 people are, you know, I think they’ve
00:33:01.919 made movies about that uh where that
00:33:04.320 little boy died. heaven is
00:33:05.982 [clears throat] real or something like
00:33:06.799 that and he knew his mom had a
00:33:09.360 miscarriage and stuff like that.
00:33:11.840 >> But it is interesting the more that we
00:33:14.399 feel like life is just so humanistic
00:33:17.120 where we feel like there’s not too many
00:33:19.039 mysteries and people just live their
00:33:21.919 life on that hamster wheel and like we
00:33:24.000 were talking about last night, you know,
00:33:25.279 am I going to wake up, get my job, get
00:33:27.519 kids,
00:33:28.640 >> eat dinner and die, right? It’s just
00:33:31.440 this robotic life where if you really
00:33:34.720 start looking into things and you’re
00:33:36.480 called a conspiracy theorist, not you,
00:33:38.799 but people that look into these things
00:33:40.399 that are just kind of like off the
00:33:42.240 beaten path. Why aren’t we more
00:33:44.720 spiritual?
00:33:45.679 >> Well, I think that’s what you said is
00:33:47.519 exactly why. And maybe that’s again why
00:33:49.519 you go back to like your question about
00:33:50.960 like why would they lie about things
00:33:52.480 like the buildings? Is it because we
00:33:55.440 have been put in a system in a matrix
00:33:57.440 that is about us being on the hamster
00:33:59.519 wheel?
00:34:00.159 >> Yeah. So we don’t have time to even
00:34:02.080 dwell on these. Why does it matter?
00:34:03.919 That’s what people always Why does it
00:34:05.519 even matter?
00:34:06.640 >> Well, the truth matters. You know,
00:34:08.639 whether you want to acknowledge it, it
00:34:10.879 does matter.
00:34:12.079 >> And yeah, it’s like you don’t want to
00:34:13.599 know because you’re comfortable, I
00:34:15.040 guess.
00:34:15.280 >> Well, do you think that maybe if we were
00:34:17.040 stronger in our Do you think these
00:34:18.960 things would make us stronger in our
00:34:20.239 faith and would not allow Satan to have
00:34:23.440 so much of a rule? So, it’s more of like
00:34:26.480 if we knew like the things that are
00:34:29.599 being held from us, it’s not physical.
00:34:32.399 It’s more of a spiritual strength that
00:34:35.199 we would have and then he wouldn’t have
00:34:37.520 as much power as he’d like.
00:34:39.280 >> Yeah, absolutely. I would say that it
00:34:40.719 has a lot to do with the fact that
00:34:42.560 where’s your faith at? Because I think
00:34:44.320 that if you’re faced in the institutions
00:34:46.399 like your government, the schools and
00:34:48.719 your jobs and all the the way the
00:34:51.119 economy works, well then your faith is
00:34:53.760 not really placed in God. So if you
00:34:56.639 acknowledge that the stuff that
00:34:58.560 everything we’ve believed from before is
00:35:01.520 based on a lot of halftruths or just
00:35:04.079 fabrications altogether, well then you
00:35:06.480 would say I don’t trust this place. And
00:35:08.160 so therefore you have to come into
00:35:10.640 agreement with God or
00:35:12.320 >> something else. Now, for yeah, if you’re
00:35:14.320 a Christian, you would say that, well,
00:35:16.560 I’m not sure what’s true, but I know
00:35:17.839 that that you’re true. Your son’s true.
00:35:20.400 I know this what you want me to do with
00:35:22.960 my time here. Well, then yeah, you’re
00:35:25.520 you’re you’re separating yourself from
00:35:27.599 this matrix when you start to believe
00:35:30.000 that. But when you But really, like
00:35:32.880 sometimes people talk about like flat
00:35:34.400 earth and stuff like that and they would
00:35:35.599 say, why does this matter? Like what
00:35:36.880 does any of this have to do with
00:35:38.000 anything? It’s not really about the the
00:35:40.480 earth looking like this table or a
00:35:42.320 globe. It’s more about that if you
00:35:46.079 believe that they would lie about
00:35:47.440 something like that. Well, then it
00:35:49.520 really undermines every institution and
00:35:51.839 you’re like, "Well, how could everybody
00:35:52.960 be in on that?" Well, the real truth is
00:35:55.760 just because you can’t figure it out
00:35:57.280 doesn’t mean it’s not true. And so, if
00:35:59.200 if those people are lying, it then
00:36:01.599 you’re talking about like, yeah, that
00:36:03.599 the whole school system’s jacked up. And
00:36:06.320 so it’s, you know, I mean, because it’s
00:36:07.760 always like when you’re pulling this
00:36:09.520 thread of the sweater, like it you
00:36:12.560 continues to continue to pull and then
00:36:15.119 some people would just say, "Well, I I
00:36:16.720 don’t really care
00:36:18.240 >> because I think eventually it’s going to
00:36:20.400 it’s going to pull away something you
00:36:21.920 find comfortable."
00:36:22.960 >> Absolutely.
00:36:23.599 >> about this. And and I think that’s
00:36:25.599 ultimately when you do go down a bunch
00:36:27.040 of rabbit holes, sometimes it’s fun and
00:36:28.960 sometimes it’s sickening
00:36:30.640 >> because you’re like sometimes you go
00:36:32.320 down this is like it’s so fun. and we
00:36:34.160 giggle and we laugh about all the things
00:36:35.599 we used to believe and how how silly it
00:36:37.920 all is. But then one day you find
00:36:40.160 something out that’s like really
00:36:41.200 uncomfortable for you and you’re like
00:36:43.520 >> I don’t want that to be true. No.
00:36:45.359 >> Yeah.
00:36:45.680 >> So we still have our own blind spots.
00:36:47.359 We’re like I I don’t want I don’t really
00:36:48.800 don’t want to believe that.
00:36:49.599 >> Just like anybody that knows how the
00:36:50.960 phone works. Did the president really
00:36:52.720 talk to them on the moon?
00:36:54.160 >> Yeah. [laughter]
00:36:55.200 >> I mean come on. That T1 line in their
00:36:58.000 tinfoil spaceship.
00:36:59.599 >> Oh man. That was one of my favorite
00:37:00.960 videos I did when I was saying that, you
00:37:03.440 know, so a couple years ago was like I
00:37:06.160 think was the last time I think they
00:37:07.920 supposedly went to the moon was 1972, I
00:37:10.480 believe.
00:37:10.800 >> Sounds about right.
00:37:11.760 >> So the last time they went was 53 years
00:37:14.560 ago. And of course I made the joke in
00:37:16.320 the video and I was saying here’s what
00:37:17.760 phones look like 53 years ago.
00:37:19.520 >> Why do I feel like I saw it?
00:37:20.720 >> Richard Nixon using one of those phones
00:37:22.880 to talk to the moon.
00:37:24.000 >> Yes. Are you sure it’s 72? I was born in
00:37:26.160 73. I feel like I watched it. Maybe it
00:37:27.760 was a video. It is so silly.
00:37:31.119 >> Yeah.
00:37:31.440 >> To believe that that they had the
00:37:33.359 capabilities to talk without some kind
00:37:35.760 of delay.
00:37:36.880 >> Oh, absolutely.
00:37:38.480 >> I mean, that’s the thing. I remember
00:37:39.680 like even, you know, we were talking
00:37:41.040 last night, we’re talking about like the
00:37:42.160 first Iraq war, and do you remember back
00:37:44.400 in the day when you’re watching like,
00:37:46.000 you know, 24-hour news? Maybe it wasn’t
00:37:48.240 even 24 hours then, but they would have
00:37:50.079 like CNN and they would have a
00:37:51.760 correspondent and it’d be like the
00:37:53.280 person’s holding their earpiece and then
00:37:54.880 they they got like five seconds before
00:37:56.880 they can start answering the question.
00:37:58.720 >> Totally.
00:37:59.200 >> And then in 1969 they’re just seamlessly
00:38:02.320 like like live streaming from the moon
00:38:04.079 and just talking to them like
00:38:06.560 >> like that would be hard to do. Like we
00:38:08.079 wouldn’t be able to go to Sedona and do
00:38:09.680 that probably because of the cell signal
00:38:11.280 and everything. You know what I mean?
00:38:12.240 Like we can’t do that in 2025 in a place
00:38:15.040 in the western part of America. But from
00:38:17.920 the moon.
00:38:19.520 >> Well, they just use a really really long
00:38:21.599 telephone wire.
00:38:23.040 >> Oh man. [laughter] I mean, but it is
00:38:25.359 funny. It’s like that’s the thing that
00:38:26.640 people start to to wonder like how did
00:38:29.200 That’s say that’s the kind of conspiracy
00:38:30.720 that that I giggle about cuz it’s it’s
00:38:33.040 so silly. I was actually just watching a
00:38:35.280 video today. It was they were saying
00:38:36.880 that the lunar lander that supposedly
00:38:39.839 SpaceX, Elon Musk company, is being
00:38:42.000 delayed. It’s taking too long, right?
00:38:44.400 And so now NASA’s going out to try to
00:38:48.640 get outside bids from other
00:38:52.079 space companies to provide them an an
00:38:54.960 alternate to their lunar lander. And so
00:38:57.440 like Loheed Martin is saying, you know,
00:38:59.440 we don’t have time. Your timeline
00:39:00.960 doesn’t make sense. We can’t do it. But
00:39:02.720 the funny part about all that being said
00:39:04.240 is that they started this program called
00:39:07.119 Artemis. You know, so the first moon
00:39:08.800 landing program was called Apollo, which
00:39:10.480 is funny. It’s named after the sun god,
00:39:12.079 right? And then Artemis is his twin
00:39:14.240 sister named after the goddess of the
00:39:16.160 moon. So they rebranded this in 2017
00:39:20.320 with the mission to go back to the moon.
00:39:22.000 Well, if you look at the timeline when
00:39:23.359 they started the Apollo moon mission, I
00:39:24.960 want to say it was 1961.
00:39:28.000 >> Well, within like eight years,
00:39:30.960 >> they were able to
00:39:32.160 >> planting a flag on the moon. They’re
00:39:34.480 >> okay. So now you think like in 2017 they
00:39:37.599 start the Aremis program. Well, it’s
00:39:39.920 already 2025, so it’s already been eight
00:39:43.040 years. And so now at the earliest,
00:39:44.960 they’re trying to say that
00:39:46.880 >> they can get somebody on there
00:39:48.400 potentially in 2027, but at this point,
00:39:51.040 there’s problems with the lunar lander
00:39:53.200 supposedly. So, Lucky Martin saying they
00:39:56.079 can’t get one built before like 2030.
00:39:58.480 Well, and we just saw another video uh
00:40:01.200 not too long ago, and they were pulling
00:40:04.480 clips from actual NASA videos talking
00:40:07.359 about going to the to the moon. And one
00:40:10.079 of the big issues that NASA knows that’s
00:40:12.800 out there is there is some radiation
00:40:15.920 belt between the Earth and the Moon. And
00:40:18.480 they’re trying to figure out how to
00:40:21.440 protect the astronauts through that
00:40:23.440 radiation belt without them being
00:40:25.040 killed.
00:40:25.920 >> So, they don’t have the technology yet.
00:40:27.599 They’re trying to figure out what
00:40:28.720 technology was.
00:40:29.440 >> You said they threw it away all the old
00:40:30.960 technology.
00:40:31.680 >> Yeah. But they apparently had it back in
00:40:33.520 >> Well, right. That I mean, again, that’s
00:40:35.200 that’s the real question is that if Do
00:40:37.040 you believe that with 1960s technology,
00:40:40.320 they could have went from starting day
00:40:43.440 one to the moon in 8 years and then in
00:40:46.320 2017
00:40:48.000 to today, they don’t have the kind of
00:40:51.040 technology.
00:40:51.520 >> Are we moving backwards in time? Right.
00:40:53.520 >> It almost feels that way. Well, and I
00:40:55.440 think I think going back to both of your
00:40:57.200 point about why it goes to that whole
00:41:00.319 science versus religion debate and I
00:41:03.440 think when with the the the big
00:41:05.839 buildings with uh the reliance on
00:41:08.240 technology, it’s more focusing on the
00:41:11.200 autonomy of man and removing our
00:41:14.480 reliance on faith in in God.
00:41:17.680 >> Yeah. Well, it’s kind of like that if
00:41:19.839 you believe that the story of the Tower
00:41:21.760 of Babel in the Bible, it was about them
00:41:23.280 building a tower up to heaven, right?
00:41:24.960 >> And then God deciding to divide up the
00:41:27.440 nations because of that.
00:41:29.119 >> Well, I mean, if you could get to the
00:41:30.480 moon, isn’t that even a more of an
00:41:31.760 affront to God than than to building a
00:41:33.680 tower that’s really tall?
00:41:35.040 >> Right.
00:41:35.920 >> So, would God have allowed that to
00:41:37.440 happen? I mean, the question is from a
00:41:39.680 lot of people is like, is the moon
00:41:41.440 really just some big rock up in the sky?
00:41:44.319 >> Now, they say we have two. I mean, that
00:41:46.400 is one of those things. I just saw an
00:41:48.560 article about that and it seems like it
00:41:50.880 should be bigger news that they’ve
00:41:52.240 discovered an extra moon. Like, that’s
00:41:54.160 not made up. You guys can look that up.
00:41:56.000 Supposedly, it’s in our orbit for like a
00:41:57.760 short amount of time. But,
00:41:59.119 >> but yeah, so maybe they can make it to
00:42:00.560 the second moon. Maybe that might be
00:42:01.920 easier to get there. Maybe [laughter]
00:42:03.359 that’s harder, easier to get to that one
00:42:05.040 or not.
00:42:06.720 But no, you know, there’s a debate
00:42:08.079 actually between people and you can look
00:42:09.680 see out like there’s a really old
00:42:11.680 interview and I can’t remember who the
00:42:12.720 guy said it was, but he didn’t believe
00:42:14.160 that the moon was actually even like a
00:42:15.839 physical object like a like a rock like
00:42:18.480 that’s floating in outer space.
00:42:20.640 >> He believed it was made of plasma or
00:42:22.319 something else. It’s really interesting
00:42:23.680 when you look in the moon. It’s like
00:42:25.119 that you ever seen like the
00:42:27.520 >> even I want to say there’s these flags
00:42:29.839 that show like a crescent moon and it
00:42:32.480 shows a star in the middle of it.
00:42:34.880 Sometimes you can actually see a star
00:42:38.000 through the moon. Either that or it’s
00:42:40.640 it’s in front of the moon. Like either
00:42:42.160 way it doesn’t make sense that you ever
00:42:44.400 notice like during the daytime like the
00:42:45.760 the moon looks somewhat
00:42:47.280 >> kind of almost transparent,
00:42:49.040 >> translucent,
00:42:49.760 >> right? Yeah. So I mean I guess that kind
00:42:51.040 of gets into the question is this a more
00:42:53.359 material view? Is that is that the kind
00:42:54.880 of view they want us to have that it is
00:42:56.319 just a big dumb rock up there? kind of
00:42:58.079 like going back to what I was saying
00:42:59.119 about like ancient aliens is that
00:43:02.000 they’re trying to insert science and
00:43:03.920 aliens and stuff back to our past to to
00:43:06.400 take away from the mythologies about
00:43:08.480 gods from the heavens and giants. So
00:43:12.160 what if that’s kind of what they’re
00:43:13.599 doing? They’re incerning aliens in our
00:43:15.359 history that don’t exist. And then now
00:43:18.800 is it prepping us for a deception about
00:43:21.280 aliens in the future where if you think
00:43:22.880 about before they had that that book or
00:43:25.200 that radio broadcast about War of the
00:43:27.040 Worlds,
00:43:27.760 >> right?
00:43:28.160 >> Like who would even know what an alien
00:43:29.920 was? Like would do you think anybody was
00:43:31.520 talking about Martians and and little
00:43:33.839 green aliens, gray aliens and stuff?
00:43:36.319 >> That’s why it had such a big impact on
00:43:38.000 the the radio listeners,
00:43:39.520 >> right? So if what if that’s kind of like
00:43:41.680 the conditioning with movies like
00:43:43.119 Independence Day and every Spielberg and
00:43:45.359 George Lucas movie, it’s about
00:43:48.079 potentially like an idea of like maybe
00:43:49.760 there is going to be some kind of alien
00:43:51.200 invasion one day. I mean like people are
00:43:54.000 I mean I don’t know if they would be
00:43:55.119 ready for it, but the idea is certainly
00:43:57.920 circulated in their brains about that
00:44:00.240 now you have this UAP phenomenon. You
00:44:02.560 have
00:44:04.319 gray alien spottings and people being
00:44:06.400 abducted,
00:44:07.280 >> right? if something showed up like even
00:44:09.680 they have this thing called like the
00:44:10.960 threeey atlas.
00:44:12.160 >> Yeah. The thing that’s been a lot in the
00:44:14.480 news and some people are saying well it
00:44:16.560 could be some kind of an asteroid or
00:44:18.240 something or some part of a comet or it
00:44:20.720 could be hello a spaceship. So is that
00:44:24.400 what they’re trying to do? And I’m sure
00:44:26.560 a lot of people probably back home are
00:44:28.000 probably saying like this is a lot of
00:44:29.520 lies. Like again the question is like so
00:44:31.920 but why would they lie about it? for one
00:44:33.359 is like they could definitely do it to
00:44:35.280 make people afraid and they could
00:44:37.520 obviously justify a budget about outer
00:44:41.040 space and the space force and all that
00:44:43.119 because there is a threat.
00:44:44.720 >> You know, that seems like a a logical
00:44:46.480 reason.
00:44:47.200 >> Or it could be that there’s a thing in
00:44:48.560 the Bible called Satan’s little season
00:44:50.560 that’s mentioned in Revelation 20 that
00:44:52.319 yes
00:44:52.640 >> that Satan after the millennial reign of
00:44:54.960 Christ is released from the bottomless
00:44:57.040 pit to deceive the nations.
00:44:59.520 >> Wow. you know, after Jesus comes back.
00:45:03.200 So, there’s this theory, and of course,
00:45:04.560 in my community, we’ve been talking a
00:45:05.760 lot about this, is that is it possible
00:45:08.400 that that’s the reason why there is so
00:45:10.880 much deception at this time? Is is it
00:45:13.280 possibly because it’s like the devil’s
00:45:16.319 endgame? Like, he has to every lie in
00:45:19.359 the book is being thrown at us right now
00:45:21.280 and now we’re kind of just like peeling
00:45:23.119 this onion back.
00:45:23.760 >> So, you’re you’re saying that we might
00:45:24.880 be in the little season right now. I’m
00:45:26.640 saying that there’s a good chance that
00:45:29.200 we are.
00:45:29.760 >> Well, that is a whole other ball of wax.
00:45:33.119 So, if you don’t mind, I think we’re
00:45:35.119 going to have to go to a part two.
00:45:36.400 >> Of course.
00:45:37.200 >> All right. Thank you for joining
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